Future of Ryanair

Resverathrole

How much of a lasting effect will these strikes have on people once they're finally over? And do the unions have Ryanair by the balls now?

Was that first step they made in December, to recognise unions, the beginning of the end?

jcorr

Resverathrole wrote: »

How much of a lasting effect will these strikes have on people once they're finally over? And do the unions have Ryanair by the balls now?

I suppose people will still expect to pay next to nothing for flights. As long as Ryanair keep providing that they'll keep going.

I don't fly with them though. I would rather fly with aer lingus

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Ryanair must be losing millions in revenue. I'd have no massive concerns about booking with them, as I did last week for a trip to Portugal in September, but I know a friend of mine said he's happier to pay an extra €90 to book with Aer Lingus for a trip to England he's planning.

When it comes to travel, this sh!t unsettles people.

GBX

Their future is in the air

The One Doctor

Ryanair will end up charging only slightly less than AL for a flight.

I only fly Ryanair because it’s cheap simple

zom

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote: »

Ryanair must be losing millions in revenue.

They were producing great financial performance during pilots strike last year, and finished with higher revenue than year before. I'm sure they will not loose this time.

whiskeyman

People tend to have short memories though.
They'll be hauling in record profits once again no doubt.
No one else offers the low fares and destination range like them.

Resverathrole

I heard O'Leary mentioned that he's considering moving jobs to Poland.

TheRiverman

I think Ryanair has got too big,with too many hubs around Europe.The cockup with the staff holiday rostering last year really showed this up.

NIMAN

Last summer our family flew with RA.
This summer we flew with Easyjet....for no reason other than they had a better deal.

But next summer I would be more inclined to avoid RA if this continues.

richiepurgas

Thing is, what's between Ryanair and the unions is quite little in monetary terms. The crux is the company are only paying lip service to union recognition. They don't want a situation where employees have a recognised way of dealing with issues. Much better from the company's point of view to have a constant state of fear amongst the staff as is the case in many non-unionised companies.

Agricola

Apart from loss of revenue, it shouldn't have any lasting effect in terms of people avoiding RA. Low fares + short memories are a powerful combo. Plus, I think air travel is a bit like Donald Trump shooting someone in Times Square and getting away with it. Airlines can get away with a lot of shít and people will still come back and throw money at them.

Hitman3000

Big sale will be announced and all those bashing RA will rush to book...i'm bias always fly with RA. Cheap and cheerful.. well not cheerful but cheap.

DONTMATTER

Do people remember the price of flights before ryanair? They're good for something.

Resverathrole

DONTMATTER wrote: »

Do people remember the price of flights before ryanair? They're good for something.

Only because they kept the greedy unions out. As well as the travels agents.

DONTMATTER

Resverathrole wrote: »

Only because they kept the greedy unions out. As well as the travels agents.

I think they might struggle for a while, maybe permanently. Norwegian air will take over Europe.

Brendan Bendar

The One Doctor wrote: »

Ryanair will end up charging only slightly less than AL for a flight.

You got it.

blinding

Resverathrole wrote: »

I heard O'Leary mentioned that he's considering moving jobs to Poland.

So long as he goes himself = Good result .

Resverathrole

Resverathrole wrote: »

Only because they kept the greedy unions out.

Ha. Ha. Ha, Micheál.

TallGlass

Never had any issue with Ryanair, found there flights fine, staff friendly and helpful, reasonably priced too.



I would book them over Aer Lingus most of the time, I have an upcoming flight but with the issues at the moment, mainly from what I can see is piss poor management of staff and ongoing strikes I had to choose Aer Lingus.


From looking at the management side of how this situation has gone down, it's just been let get wildly out of control. If it eats into profits then staff on the front line will loss there jobs simple as that really. However, management have a serious question to answer as to how it's been allowed get to this stage and I would say more is to come.



I'm not even sure the management are even fighting with the unions they seem hell bent on a fight with staff on the front line and that seems to be escalating the situation quite rapidly.


It seems the management at the top have had it too good for this long, seem to lack communication skills but for what they lack there in communication skills they make up for in stirring the **** with the staff.


MOL needs to get the top of his house in order from what I can see and get some upper management that know how to talk with staff and reason with them and make the adjustments or work to help them and not to be coming out with lines saying they will be sacking people, that's never going to go down well to be honest.

Resverathrole

Resverathrole wrote: »

I heard O'Leary mentioned that he's considering moving jobs to Poland.

A bit like his "We're reducing flights from Dublin because of the unions" propaganda last week, when everybody knows Ryanair always reduces the number of flights at the end of the summer. The amount of pathetic union-scapegoating spin from O'Leary and his elves in medialand, all hungry for Ryanair advertising, is ferocious.

suicide_circus

the state should seize control of Ryanair and give it to Sinn Fein to run.

richiepurgas

Resverathrole wrote: »

Only because they kept the greedy unions out. As well as the travels agents.

The ironic thing is that the US airline on which Ryanair modelled itself (Southwest ?) is itself a unionised company.

ziggy

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Balanadan

Michael O'Leary is a top bloke, I'm sure he'll sort out this nonsense. I'll keep flying Ryanair.

Brendan Bendar

richiepurgas wrote: »

The ironic thing is that the US airline on which Ryanair modelled itself (Southwest ?) is itself a unionised company.

Like almost all of the US aviation industry.

And militant.

richiepurgas

ziggy wrote: »

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Hmm ....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrjySOFLXgg&t=115s

Resverathrole

richiepurgas wrote: »

The ironic thing is that the US airline on which Ryanair modelled itself (Southwest ?) is itself a unionised company.

I'd imagine unions aren't as greedy over in the U.S. Just in the same way car insurance companies charge about 5 times the price over here. In the U.S, the government is kept further away from company affairs.

Wanderer78

Resverathrole wrote:

I'd imagine unions aren't as greedy over in the U.S. Just in the same way car insurance companies charge about 5 times the price over here. In the U.S, the government is kept further away from company affairs.

Working out well for many workers across many sectors isn't it, reduces inequality, generally improves the well being of all citizens, creates a very stable society?

Brendan Bendar

Resverathrole wrote: »

I'd imagine unions aren't as greedy over in the U.S. Just in the same way car insurance companies charge about 5 times the price over here. In the U.S, the government is kept further away from company affairs.

I can assure you in the aviation business in the US they defend their patch.

Cordell

Siding with the employees when they are against the employer, that I can understand. Siding with the union when you're being used as a bargaining chip, no so much.

Resverathrole

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Working out well for many workers across many sectors isn't it, reduces inequality, generally improves the well being of all citizens, creates a very stable society?

The only reason I'd join one is because I'm so lazy that I'd get fired otherwise.

So go figure why they're bad for the company!

Also, as far as I know, it's mandatory for a lot of employees to join a union as soon as they're hired. So they're basically been robbed. This also means that unions can afford to be lazy.

Wanderer78

Resverathrole wrote:

Also, as far as I know, it's mandatory for a lot of employees to join a union as soon as they're hired. So they're basically been robbed. This also means that unions can afford to be lazy.

It's mandatory to join a union as a Ryanair employee or an employee in general?

branie2

Hopefully a resolution will come soon.

Wanderer78

branie2 wrote: »

Hopefully a resolution will come soon.

it ll probably get much nastier before a resolution, but that probably will eventually happen

SEPT 23 1989

You had to head to the north wall if it wasn't for Ryanair never forget that

The greatest Irish business success story and we all benefited from it

Ryanair opened up the world to us

The elite hated them for that and still do

richiepurgas

Cordell wrote: »

Siding with the employees when they are against the employer, that I can understand. Siding with the union when you're being used as a bargaining chip, no so much.

I actually don't understand what that means.

Resverathrole

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's mandatory to join a union as a Ryanair employee or an employee in general?

Hence my use of the word "robbed".

enricoh

suicide_circus wrote: »

the state should seize control of Ryanair and give it to Sinn Fein to run.

Free flights for anyone on the scratcher! It might last til Christmas, but I doubt it

Capt'n Midnight

Resverathrole wrote: »

I heard O'Leary mentioned that he's considering moving jobs to Poland.

I heard O'Leary mentions clickbait at every possible opportunity to get the brand into the news.

Samuel T. Cogley

suicide_circus wrote: »

the state should seize control of Ryanair and give it to Sinn Fein to run.

Up the RA?

suicide_circus

suicide_circus wrote: »

the state should seize control of Ryanair and give it to Sinn Fein to run.

enricoh wrote: »

Free flights for anyone on the scratcher! It might last til Christmas, but I doubt it

Christmas, that's very optimistic.

Wanderer78

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

You had to head to the north wall if it wasn't for Ryanair never forget that

The greatest Irish business success story and we all benefited from it

Ryanair opened up the world to us

The elite hated them for that and still do

has everyone truly benefited from it, has potentially treating employees with disrespect truly benefited us all?

SEPT 23 1989

Wanderer78 wrote: »

has everyone truly benefited from it, has potentially treating employees with disrespect truly benefited us all?

Yes we benefited from it think of how it was before the monopoly was smashed

Are they forced at gunpoint to work for Ryanair?

easygoing39

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Ryanair opened up the world to us

The world?? I never knew RA flew to New York,Perth,Rio,Bangkok,Abu Dhabi etc etc

In reality they fly to Europe,and alot of those airports are in the middle of no-where.

Hellrazer

He should just sack the lot of them and deal with the WRC fallout.

SEPT 23 1989

easygoing39 wrote: »

The world?? I never knew RA flew to New York,Perth,Rio,Bangkok,Abu Dhabi etc etc

In reality they fly to Europe,and alot of those airports are in the middle of no-where.

They got us off the island on the cheap opened us up to new cultures and experiences and made us think what sort of place we were living in

Poulgorm

Before Ryanair, a return flight to/from London used to cost your monthly take home pay. Well, mine anyway, as it was then.

Maybe the younger folk here are not aware of this.

Having said that, O'Leary was publicly disparaging of many of his staff (particularly the pilots). It was nasty, needless and pointless and I suspect he is paying the price for it now.

Achasanai

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Are they forced at gunpoint to work for Ryanair?

They're so entitled, looking for better conditions and pay.

SEPT 23 1989

Achasanai wrote: »

They're so entitled, looking for better conditions and pay.

Work for the competition then