Anxious about moving back to Ireland.

keffiyeh

Aside from the horror stories I'm hearing about people lining up all day for a chance at a €700 a month cupboard (sorry, 'room'), I won't have a job coming back. In my experience the last thing landlords want in the house is someone on the dole/rent allowance. Any advice people have would be appreciated. Not looking for anything in Dublin would be the obvious one to not be paying through the nose, but the other issue I've always found a serious hurdle, and to be honest I don't think landlords should be able to deny people like that, if they want to rent. Anyways. I'll take any advice people have. Thanks.

4ensic15

Renting is difficult in most parts of the country these days., There are very few properties available.

Heebie

Hopefully you have someone you can stay with while you look for work and for a place to rent.

Apocalypse2018

I would suggest buying a tent, www . eveningecho.ie/corknews/Mum-of-nine-living-on-beach-just-wants-a-home-5d049664-f99e-45b6-9849-e8160458aa36-ds

Lady in Youghal lives on the beach because she cannot find house. I bet it's not that bad.

Pkiernan

keffiyeh wrote: »

Aside from the horror stories I'm hearing about people lining up all day for a chance at a €700 a month cupboard (sorry, 'room'), I won't have a job coming back. In my experience the last thing landlords want in the house is someone on the doll/rent allowance. Any advice people have would be appreciated. Not looking for anything in Dublin would be the obvious one to not be paying through the nose, but the other issue I've always found a serious hurdle, and to be honest I don't think landlords should be able to deny people like that, if they want to rent. Anyways. I'll take any advice people have. Thanks.

Depending on how long you have been away you might not qualify for welfare here.

Apocalypse2018

Pkiernan wrote: »

Depending on how long you have been away you might not qualify for welfare here.

If he can't get welfare, I suggest he hunts pigeons.

splinter65

How long have you been away? Are you in the EU? Are you on benefits now?
If your in the EU on JSB now then you can transfer your benefit to here but you’ll have to organise that before you leave.
If you’ve been gone 2 years + and your not on a Benefit or your outside the EU then you will have to jump through serious hoops to get the dole.

keffiyeh

Apocalypse2018 wrote: »

I would suggest buying a tent, www . eveningecho.ie/corknews/Mum-of-nine-living-on-beach-just-wants-a-home-5d049664-f99e-45b6-9849-e8160458aa36-ds

Lady in Youghal lives on the beach because she cannot find house. I bet it's not that bad.

I hope there's a Lidl special on!

I was away for three years before and got on the dole after coming back no problem...

Bubbaclaus

Being realistic, you are very unlikely to find a place until you get a job. Landlords are going to have many options to choose from, and they are going to pick a financially stable option every time.

Have you family or friends you could live with until you find a job?

keffiyeh

Not especially. Ho hum.

Edgware

Landlords providing accommodation is a business not a charity. Any business providing a service will only do so if they are satisfied that they purchaser can pay for the goods. If you can prove to the landlord that you can pay the rent while unemployed then there is a great likelihood you will get the accommodation. However dont blame him/her if he goes for a safer option.
Irish people have a strange mentality when it comes to renting and dealing with landlords.
They break leases, want to use deposits as the last months rent and feel its ok to go into arrears. They should go to France or Germany and try those stunts and see what happens

zl1whqvjs75cdy

Don't want to sound harsh here op but it doesn't seem like you have much of a plan and I would suggest you're at serious risk of ending up homeless if you come back as you are now. Can you at least try and line up some work first? Or maybe save a bit so you can airbnb it for a couple of weeks until you find a place?

rosmoke

Both working professionals and it's almost impossible to find a place to rent, without a job I can't see it happen tbh.

keffiyeh

Edgware wrote: »

Landlords providing accommodation is a business not a charity. Any business providing a service will only do so if they are satisfied that they purchaser can pay for the goods.

Like the literal guarantee of rent allowance.

Edgware wrote: »

If you can prove to the landlord that you can pay the rent while unemployed then there is a great likelihood you will get the accommodation.

I think you and I have had very different experiences. In fact the majority of ads on daft witll specify no rent allowance.

splinter65

keffiyeh wrote: »

I hope there's a Lidl special on!

I was away for three years before and got on the dole after coming back no problem...

You shouldn’t have any problem so but have evidence of having broken all ties with your current country and they will want proof of address (sw).
Landlords can’t directly refuse SW recipients accommodation but they can ask you for a reference from your employer.
The housing crisis is chronic right across the country. I assume you’ve checked daft.ie and that will give you a pretty accurate picture.

keffiyeh

donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »

Don't want to sound harsh here op but it doesn't seem like you have much of a plan and I would suggest you're at serious risk of ending up homeless if you come back as you are now. Can you at least try and line up some work first? Or maybe save a bit so you can airbnb it for a couple of weeks until you find a place?

I'm already there to be honest. Got burned for 1500 by my last employer who also provided accommodation, now I'm in a no paddle and up a creek situation. Not that ordinarily I'd let savings be that low, it's just been one thing after the other this year. It's been fun...

TheBoyConor

Go to the county/city council offices and present as homeless to the housing counter. They might put you up in a hotel or BnB for a while.
It's worth a shot.

Pkiernan

keffiyeh wrote: »

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I was away for three years before and got on the dole after coming back no problem...

This is why our country is a joke

Graces7

keffiyeh wrote: »

Like the literal guarantee of rent allowance.



I think you and I have had very different experiences. In fact the majority of ads on daft witll specify no rent allowance.

They are not allowed to do that and landlords are not allowed to discriiinate against RA or HAP tenants, which is one reason rents are above RA rates

NinetyTwoTeam

Pkiernan wrote: »

This is why our country is a joke

because someone unemployed gets the minimum to live on and prevent them being homeless? cop on.

OP it is a difficult one, the places where the jobs are also have the highest rents.

there are places in the northwest like Sligo where rooms are still affordable and while there are not huge opportunities to get work, it's not totally dead, there is at least bar/hotel work and a few factories, and landlords aren't dead set against renting to people on the dole as there were so many on it recently due to the recession. you find that attitude more in the cities. manorhamilton in Leitrim is another cheap town to rent in. it's even more out of the way then Sligo but I was there for a while on an artist residency and it had everything you need and was lovely.

but it is very tough, even if you move somewhere small and cheap, cheap rent will still be a lot out of your dole, so how do you save enough to get a away to somewhere with more jobs? i was in that situation for years and ended up having to move home (in my friggin 30's)

I would try everything I could to avoid coming back, sure listen to what people are saying here telling you to buy a tent. the attitude here towards anyone stuck is often like that.

keffiyeh

Pkiernan wrote: »

keffiyeh wrote: »

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I was away for three years before and got on the dole after coming back no problem...

This is why our country is a joke

Not really. I wasn't sitting at home drinking tea not looking for work those three years, like generations of families now in Ireland, I was working my ass off abroad. I am still a national after those three years, yes? I was able to sign on straight away, they didn't hand me a stack of notes, there's a waiting period so it's wise to sign on in case you don't find anything in the ways of employment. Would the country be less of a joke if I were told to feck off and go add to the already sizeable homeless numbers? Think before you post.

**

Anyways thanks for the advice lads. As I said I'm basically penniless and homeless where I am now, and had an offer of a flight home but that's changed at the last minute now so guess I'm homeless in an airport here (can't even afford to catch a train back to the city and the airport is on a man made island) so I guess it's swings and roundabouts, be homeless in Dublin or here. Thanks for giving me a lay of the land back home though, wonder if things will ever calm down there. Last time I was renting in Dublin I think it was 450 for a tiny 'studio' in an old Georgian that was ridiculously rat infested. As soon as I'd turn off the lights the scratching would start at the skirting, even had one run past me one day, broke through while I was out. At least this airport doesn't have that, until security notice the white boy that's been there a few days and do god knows what to be honest. Cheers.

keffiyeh

Graces7 wrote: »

keffiyeh wrote: »

Like the literal guarantee of rent allowance.



I think you and I have had very different experiences. In fact the majority of ads on daft witll specify no rent allowance.

They are not allowed to do that and landlords are not allowed to discriiinate against RA or HAP tenants, which is one reason rents are above RA rates

Well I mean what can you do? They just won't take you. Nobody can prove you were passed over for a working person. Difficult situation really.

splinter65

keffiyeh wrote: »

Like the literal guarantee of rent allowance.



I think you and I have had very different experiences. In fact the majority of ads on daft witll specify no rent allowance.

OP you may not know that rent allowance has been over now in almost every county for at least a year. HAP as administered by the LA is the only payment.

Squatter

splinter65 wrote: »

OP you may not know that rent allowance has been over now in almost every county for at least a year. HAP as administered by the LA is the only payment.

.......... and before you are eligible for HAP you have to get on your local Council's social housing waiting list. Which involves completing a lengthy form and providing lots of supporting documentation.

rossmores

It ill be ok just collect ur sense of entitlement at the airport....
Really you need to have some plan explore all avenues family friends support apply for a job or two

keffiyeh

rossmores wrote: »

It ill be ok just collect ur sense of entitlement at the airport....
Really you need to have some plan explore all avenues family friends support apply for a job or two

Wow some people... I may be fecked but at least I'm nothing like you. I like how you called me entitled (because I've gone out into the world to work, or something) then expose your own privilege. Not everyone has the avenues you so flippantly told me to pursue. Take a serious look in the mirror. I do not feel entitled to anything. I want to work. I don't believe you can read properly to be honest. If I felt 'entitlement' for anything I would've never left the country and gone out to work. Your logic is really failing here.

rossmores

[font=Calibri", "sans-serif]OP you where happy to come back for the dole before, but ok you need to leave the chip on your shoulder in the airport of the country you are exiting......[/font]

dk1982

rossmores wrote: »

[font=Calibri", "sans-serif]OP you where happy to come back for the dole before, but ok you need to leave the chip on your shoulder in the airport of the country you are exiting......[/font]

Get down off your high horse ffs, I hope if you ever fall on hard times yourself you get more sympathy that you're offering here. OP, best of luck with your situation

Gumbo

Mod note.
Less attacking of the posters, from both sides.

Attack the contents of the post. Any more silly comments will result in a ban.

riclad

It depends on where you live,
is it rural,. a small town , a city or posh area .
We need about 40k plus new housing units in ireland.
Look at rathmines, ranelagh ,
i,d say it would be hard to find a flat thats under the rent allowance limit.
Each area has different limits ,the max rent you can pay on rent allowance.
in dublin ,theres a boom going on.
Theres simply not enough rental units to go round for all the people
who want to live here .
i hear landlords in small towns in rural area,s may take on rent allowance tenants .
In dublin focus cafe temple bar give out a list every day of flats
that might be avaidable for rent allowance clients.
you can get advice from threshold or crosscare offices.
See www.threshold.ie
You have to fill in forms at the local council housing, dept to get on the housing list .
Before you can apply for rent allowance .

keffiyeh

rossmores wrote: »

[font=Calibri", "sans-serif]OP you where happy to come back for the dole before[/font]

Except I wasn't, who in their right mind would be happy to go from an easy well paying job that allowed lots of travel to going back on the dole and being stuck in a rat infested flat, think for just a second...

Great advice riclad I'll try that focus cafe thanks. Not quite there yet though, offer of a ticket home fell through and have been in this airport for three days unable to even leave or eat, let's see what happens.

jobless

OP, do you have any family/friends to come home to for a while?
How did you get to the situation where you have no money whatsoever?

Pelvis

OP, do you actually have any money? As in, can you support yourself here while you look for a job? Can you use AirBnB until you find a job?

If you can't do any of this, then you're in no position financially to move back. Stay where you are, work, save.

keffiyeh

jobless wrote: »

OP, do you have any family/friends to come home to for a while?
How did you get to the situation where you have no money whatsoever?

Had a job, was pretty bad, gave notice, they screwed me on about €1400 owed as a result, said they wouldn't cancel my visa application to basically screw me out of getting somewhere else there, hopped to the next nearest country to find something quick because I only had about €200 after the flight, couldn't find anything. Third day in a terminal now, had an offer of a ticket home but by the time I'd gone to the terminal found out that it came on the condition that I move back into my childhood home where I was badly abused, with the abuser, so I said no to that. Now looking at having to present myself to police in the morning and get deported basically, then hit the bricks when back in Dublin.

Yeah, this is not the right subforum for my predicament anymore is it things kind of deteriorated when I learned what I'd have to do to get back home.

Graces7

keffiyeh wrote: »

Had a job, was pretty bad, gave notice, they screwed me on about €1400 owed as a result, said they wouldn't cancel my visa application to basically screw me out of getting somewhere else there, hopped to the next nearest country to find something quick because I only had about €200 after the flight, couldn't find anything. Third day in a terminal now, had an offer of a ticket home but by the time I'd gone to the terminal found out that it came on the condition that I move back into my childhood home where I was badly abused, with the abuser, so I said no to that. Now looking at having to present myself to police in the morning and get deported basically, then hit the bricks when back in Dublin.

Yeah, this is not the right subforum for my predicament anymore is it things kind of deteriorated when I learned what I'd have to do to get back home.

Be safe and look after yourself OP and hope you find a safe place soon.

keffiyeh

Can't reply to your message for whatever reason TreGats. Thanks for the message. T-2 hours before I go to the police and see what they'll do.