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Hurling V Football

  • 28-07-2018 8:51pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭


    Im no big GAA head but having watched football and hurling for many a year the hurling is a far far better game to watch most of the time. You get the odd good game of football but its nearly gone like rugby, pass it back to go forward. I would watch a rugby game quicker than a football game now. Im from a mostly football county ( some would even disagree with that). Theres a few hurling teams.
    That was a cracker of a game again today between Galway and Clare. A draw was fair, no one deserved to lose. What can be done with the football to make it watchable again.
    There has been some good changes to football I think the mark was a great idea. Rewarding for making a great catch. The black card thing baffles me most of the time. Do they put a limit to handpasses? Get back to the good auld days when you get it get rid of it as far up the field as you can..lol
    I know the game has changed tactically big time. No more man to man 14 outfield players. Its all sweepers etc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Simple solution...Give the footballers hurleys and a small ball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    Davys Fits wrote: »
    Simple solution...Give the footballers hurleys and a small ball



    lol


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 353 ✭✭frankled


    We tend to compare the two all of the time and I'm not sure why, but I suppose it is only natural given how they operate side-by-side.

    Being from Dublin I see more football, yet played more hurling back in the day and still pick up a hurl, but not a football. I don't think I have a favourite- hurling is a skill-set unrivalled by any other sport yet football is a very skillful game. Football has gone very tactical yet not always to the detriment of the sport as many would claim. Hurling has become more tactical too but you do see a lot of the same 'hit and hope' type of play- you don't get that with football.

    I suppose all I can say is I love both- but they have to be appreciated and watched in different ways at times.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,251 ✭✭✭C__MC


    Different game

    Sliothar travels faster then a ball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭davegilly


    It's simple really.

    Hurling doesn't have too much short passing or tactical defence. It has loads of lashing the ball down the field and hoping for the best. You then have two players fighting out for the ball. This leads to excitement.

    Football in the main doesn't have this. Reduce the handpass down to one or maybe two before kicking would help in this regard I think. As would not being allowed to go back into your own half once you pass the halfway line.

    I think the main reason for this though is the hurling championship in the main has teams of similar ability playing each other so they are happy to have a crack and let the chips lay where they fall. Football on the other hand has a completely unbalanced championship with teams of all varying ability playing, the vast majority with no hope. The teams that haven't a hope of winning playing attacking football have to resort to a defensive tactical game to try and succeed.

    On a side note - if one of the weaker counties in hurling, like maybe Kerry or similar, ever decide to have a right bash at winning a provincial title then a defensive set up would be the only way for them to have a hope. Lateral passing and very little movement forward. We'll see how exciting hurling might be then :(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,352 ✭✭✭threeball


    davegilly wrote: »
    It's simple really.

    Hurling doesn't have too much short passing or tactical defence. It has loads of lashing the ball down the field and hoping for the best. You then have two players fighting out for the ball. This leads to excitement.

    Football in the main doesn't have this. Reduce the handpass down to one or maybe two before kicking would help in this regard I think. As would not being allowed to go back into your own half once you pass the halfway line.

    I think the main reason for this though is the hurling championship in the main has teams of similar ability playing each other so they are happy to have a crack and let the chips lay where they fall. Football on the other hand has a completely unbalanced championship with teams of all varying ability playing, the vast majority with no hope. The teams that haven't a hope of winning playing attacking football have to resort to a defensive tactical game to try and succeed.

    On a side note - if one of the weaker counties in hurling, like maybe Kerry or similar, ever decide to have a right bash at winning a provincial title then a defensive set up would be the only way for them to have a hope. Lateral passing and very little movement forward. We'll see how exciting hurling might be then :(

    You can't go defensive in hurling as you'll be picked off from 50-60m with ease. It would be shooting practice. You could actually reverse your team putting your tough tackling backs up in the forwards to prevent short puckouts and leaving your sharp shooters deep to pick off handy scores.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    threeball wrote: »
    You can't go defensive in hurling as you'll be picked off from 50-60m with ease. It would be shooting practice. You could actually reverse your team putting your tough tackling backs up in the forwards to prevent short puckouts and leaving your sharp shooters deep to pick off handy scores.

    in a way the football has started to go that way. Look at the Tyrone Dublin match. I think most of the scores in the first half were from half backs as the forwards couldnt get a kick at it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,315 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    I wouldn't compare the two their very different games both great imo. Obviously hurling is faster and more skillful and a lot better to watch. I think football as a spectacle will improve once they bring in the attacking mark.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 512 ✭✭✭Davys Fits


    Why do hurlers drive the ball 90 yards down the field eliminating the need for hand pass after hand pass?
    Why do hurlers score points from their own half of the field and eliminate the need for a blanket defence?
    Why do hurling defenders 'hit and hope' from time to time while relieving an attack at one end and setting up a 50/50 battle at the other?

    BECASUE THEY CAN....Different game!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    Yes I've grasped there different games.lol.. what can football do to make it watchable again.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    gerryirl wrote: »
    Yes I've grasped there different games.lol.. what can football do to make it watchable again.

    I think an easy fix is to reduce the number of players. More space to see some football being played, less players to cover it with a blanket defense. Should make games a little less sleep inducing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 627 ✭✭✭mullinr2


    Another hurling cracker. We've had at least 6 top class games. Haven't watched any football games this year. I just find the game has gone to the dogs


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    2 "Hurling is Better than Football" threads in less that 18 hours! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Kildare Mayo and Armagh Roscommon off the top of my head.

    They were ok but the standard was poor


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,352 ✭✭✭threeball


    Patww79 wrote: »
    Kildare Mayo and Armagh Roscommon off the top of my head.

    Galway Kildare and Kerry Monaghan were pretty good too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    threeball wrote: »
    Galway Kildare and Kerry Monaghan were pretty good too.

    Really. Kerry didnt score from play till 32nd min


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    They were ok but the standard was poor

    There was 41 wides in yesterday’s game. It was incredibly exciting to watch but the standard was not particularly high there either. Both have more to give next week
    Enjoyment and standard tend to correlate but it’s not absolute


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,352 ✭✭✭threeball


    Really. Kerry didnt score from play till 32nd min

    And Clare only had one point after 15 to 20 mins yesterday. A game is 75mins plus.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    There was 41 wides in yesterday’s game. It was incredibly exciting to watch but the standard was not particularly high there either. Both have more to give next week
    Enjoyment and standard tend to correlate but it’s not absolute

    The standard isnt just based on wides, also the blocking, the tackle and the big catches. Football lacks the skills now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,207 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Hurling is good because it is simple stuff. That is not by any means a bad thing.
    Football is much more tactical and is interesting/entertaining in it's own way.

    It's like comparing a steak to and apple tart and cream. Both do different things but both are essentially food.
    Pointless comparing the two imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    The standard isnt just based on wides, also the blocking, the tackle and the big catches. Football lacks the skills now.

    103 shots on goal doesn’t say much for the blocking or tackling


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 577 ✭✭✭gerryirl


    I think an easy fix is to reduce the number of players. More space to see some football being played, less players to cover it with a blanket defense. Should make games a little less sleep inducing.

    ya cut it down to 11, stop them handling it and then put in an offside rule, no wait Im thinking of something else :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,864 ✭✭✭✭average_runner


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    103 shots on goal doesn’t say much for the blocking or tackling

    Well thats because they dont play negative tactics of passing the ball around their own half. Alot harder to block in hurling as at a high speed.

    Football has gone backwards. Dublin v Mayo was the only game worth watching over the last few years


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    Really getting sick of these hurling vs football nonsense threads that pop up every time there has been a good hurling game.Both games are completely different and pretty much always have been.

    I used to love hurling but my interest has waned in recent years to me it has the opposite problem football has whereas football has become to defensive and stodgy at times hurling has become too loose and it is way way too easy to score to the point where the skill has been taken out of scoring in the game, everyone can put the ball over the bar from any position now.There are basically only 2 field sports in the world I can think of where it's as easy to score in and those are basketball and cricket.

    15-20 years ago you had a lovely balance of ground hurling aerial game ,low and high scoring games and it made the game better as a spectacle as you had a contest all over the field whereas now the ball basically moves back and forth up the field constantly like a tennis match and there is not as much variety to the sport as there once was.I don't watch nearly as much hurling these days as I used to. Don't get me wrong it's a great sport but it's just lost something for me in recent years.

    Hurling benefits massively from the fact that we only get to see the top 10 play against each other, turn the football championship into something like that and it would be a lot better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    gerryirl wrote: »
    ya cut it down to 11, stop them handling it and then put in an offside rule, no wait Im thinking of something else :D

    That would be an improvement in fairness.

    I do think 14 or even 13 a side would open up so much more space for teams to exploit and probably inspire more use of the kick pass too. I don't think a blanket defensive system would be as effective with so much space and fewer players. Could lead to more 1 on 1 match ups and individual battles like hurling. Footballers might have to show a bit of skill and imagination even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 957 ✭✭✭BloodyBill


    davegilly wrote: »
    It's simple really.

    Hurling doesn't have too much short passing or tactical defence. It has loads of lashing the ball down the field and hoping for the best. You then have two players fighting out for the ball. This leads to excitement.

    Football in the main doesn't have this. Reduce the handpass down to one or maybe two before kicking would help in this regard I think. As would not being allowed to go back into your own half once you pass the halfway line.

    I think the main reason for this though is the hurling championship in the main has teams of similar ability playing each other so they are happy to have a crack and let the chips lay where they fall. Football on the other hand has a completely unbalanced championship with teams of all varying ability playing, the vast majority with no hope. The teams that haven't a hope of winning playing attacking football have to resort to a defensive tactical game to try and succeed.

    On a side note - if one of the weaker counties in hurling, like maybe Kerry or similar, ever decide to have a right bash at winning a provincial title then a defensive set up would be the only way for them to have a hope. Lateral passing and very little movement forward. We'll see how exciting hurling might be then :(

    You're clueless about hurling. There's no lashing the ball..that's gone for years


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You can watch a Junior B football match in a bog here in Kerry and be enthralled.

    You can watch a club hurling match and wonder if it should be included in the UN's definition of torture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Really getting sick of these hurling vs football nonsense threads that pop up every time there has been a good hurling game.Both games are completely different and pretty much always have been.

    I used to love hurling but my interest has waned in recent years to me it has the opposite problem football has whereas football has become to defensive and stodgy at times hurling has become too loose and it is way way too easy to score to the point where the skill has been taken out of scoring in the game, everyone can put the ball over the bar from any position now.There are basically only 2 field sports in the world I can think of where it's as easy to score in and those are basketball and cricket.

    15-20 years ago you had a lovely balance of ground hurling aerial game ,low and high scoring games and it made the game better as a spectacle as you had a contest all over the field whereas now the ball basically moves back and forth up the field constantly like a tennis match and there is not as much variety to the sport as there once was.I don't watch nearly as much hurling these days as I used to. Don't get me wrong it's a great sport but it's just lost something for me in recent years.

    Hurling benefits massively from the fact that we only get to see the top 10 play against each other, turn the football championship into something like that and it would be a lot better.


    It is exciting and boring in the same measure.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 72,207 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    The worst sporting spectacles I have ever had the misfortune to be at were hurling matches it has to be said. A Fermanagh-Monaghan encounter being the worst ever. How men didn't die is beyond me. :D

    Not all hurling is great.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16 Fred1983


    Have to say the hurling is streets ahead of football this year. Football would be my first choice through the years but I’m getting it very hard to watch it now. Things will have to change or football will be left behind,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 994 ✭✭✭conor05


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    There was 41 wides in yesterday’s game. It was incredibly exciting to watch but the standard was not particularly high there either. Both have more to give next week
    Enjoyment and standard tend to correlate but it’s not absolute

    The standard wasn’t particularly high? You must be joking.
    Some of the scores yesterday were the best I have ever seen.
    The first touch of the Clare hurlers was immense from 20mins onwards.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,566 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    Well thats because they dont play negative tactics of passing the ball around their own half. Alot harder to block in hurling as at a high speed.

    Football has gone backwards. Dublin v Mayo was the only game worth watching over the last few years
    Why would they play it around their own half when you can knock it over the bar from your own half? Not comparing like with like at all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭Dr. Bre


    I won’t be happy until hurling gets the worldwide recognition it deserves


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,748 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    I am not as convinced by hurling as a spectacle.

    It is becoming pretty one-dimensional. All long-range scoring. There was a time when a good defence was essential. Nowadays, all you need is good shooting.

    Shoot-outs are exciting, but it is a superficial experience.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,310 ✭✭✭mattser


    mullinr2 wrote: »
    Another hurling cracker. We've had at least 6 top class games. Haven't watched any football games this year. I just find the game has gone to the dogs

    Football has been in decline for a good few years. Utterly depressing stuff.
    The 2 hurling semis were a joy to behold. Really looking forward to Sunday's replay.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,430 ✭✭✭megadodge


    They were ok but the standard was poor

    If you thought the standard was 'poor' you're basically admitting that you don't want to enjoy a football match.

    The Armagh-Roscommon match was the most enjoyable match I've seen in a long, long time and the vast majority of people who actually saw it were in agreement, if match reports, social media and general conversation is anything to go by. Some of the attacking play and scoring was of the highest order..... but of course the miserable whingers that usually complain about defensive football, all of a sudden did a complete U-turn and were complaining about 'poor defending'.

    The reality is that some people just spend their time whinging and cannot be pleased.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,585 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    fullstop wrote: »
    Why would they play it around their own half when you can knock it over the bar from your own half? Not comparing like with like at all

    People scoring from their own half of the field, what does that tell you about the real state of hurling? All these big scorelines and people **** over them, to me it's no different to watching a game of basketball.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,717 ✭✭✭cms88


    This always annoys me, the only one's who are worried about it are ''hurling people''

    Still don't know who anyone can compare the two seeing as they're totally different sports.

    Also if hurling is indeed the greatest sport in the world, why does it's fan have to belittle other sports to try and get that point across?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,018 ✭✭✭Bridge93


    Without questioning which is 'better', I've always wondered why, if hurling is considered more enjoyable/skillful/pure etc etc, is Gaelic football played more widely across the country? Only about 9 or 10 counties play hurling in any serious capacity


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,582 ✭✭✭ArielAtom


    The sliothar needs abouts 3 ounces adding to it to eliminate 90mtr points. You cannot debate two different sports, both are good in their own right.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    conor05 wrote: »
    The standard wasn’t particularly high? You must be joking.
    Some of the scores yesterday were the best I have ever seen.
    The first touch of the Clare hurlers was immense from 20mins onwards.

    3 points from sideline cuts yesterday and another one today. The standards in terms of skill is immense at the top level.
    Agreed that both games saw periods where teams lost composure and made handling and tactical errors

    Also, hurling, when the right referee is in charge is an intense physical battle with hard tackling and individual contests and battles around the pitch.

    Football doesn't seem to have this anymore and the tackle in football needs to be properly defined to allow defenders contest for the ball


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    Nothing wrong with the long scores in hurling at all. It forces teams to be switched on and work hard as they'll be punished otherwise. Scoring from those distances is not as easy as people think either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭JustJoe7240


    BloodyBill wrote: »
    You're clueless about hurling. There's no lashing the ball..that's gone for years

    Last night's game would dictate otherwise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,648 ✭✭✭honeybear


    No contest!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,799 ✭✭✭✭Akrasia


    Bridge93 wrote: »
    Without questioning which is 'better', I've always wondered why, if hurling is considered more enjoyable/skillful/pure etc etc, is Gaelic football played more widely across the country? Only about 9 or 10 counties play hurling in any serious capacity
    Hurling has unique skills that take years to perfect. Football can be picked up and played by anyone who has played soccer or rugby.

    Edit: I'm not saying football isn't skilful too, just that you can develop lots of those skills playing sports other than Gaelic Football, but hurling skills need to be developed playing hurling. And the fact that the skills are difficult to develop and specific to the sport. Means that its harder for smaller clubs to field a full team of players at a competitive level throughout the development cycle and into senior level.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    The worst sporting spectacles I have ever had the misfortune to be at were hurling matches it has to be said. A Fermanagh-Monaghan encounter being the worst ever. How men didn't die is beyond me. :D

    Not all hurling is great.

    Yeah, sometimes I think the whole "hurling is the greatest thing ever" comes from those who tune into the odd game late in the championship when elite players are playing on the best surfaces in the height of summer.

    Imo bad hurling is far more common than bad football. And at junior B level it looks like hockey for people with no hand eye co-ordination.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 537 ✭✭✭Niles Crane


    Nothing wrong with the long scores in hurling at all. It forces teams to be switched on and work hard as they'll be punished otherwise. Scoring from those distances is not as easy as people think either.

    I'd disagree with that.

    If only the very best players were hitting really long range scores you'd have a point but basically any player on the field at inter county level whether they are a corner back or corner forward can pop the ball over the bar from long range without much difficulty.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,576 ✭✭✭deaddonkey15


    I'd disagree with that.

    If only the very best players were hitting really long range scores you'd have a point but basically any player on the field at inter county level whether they are a corner back or corner forward can pop the ball over the bar from long range without much difficulty.

    Well they'd have the range alright, but not always the accuracy. Especially when under pressure. No way would you pop one over from that distance when on the run. Games in Croke Park probably make the distance shooting look easier too with the stands providing a bit of a shelter from the elements.

    Regardless, it keeps teams honest when they can be punished from that distance. Football teams can retreat deep into their own half safe in the knowledge that any shot taken out near the sideline or little further beyond the 21 there's a good chance it will go wide or drop short.


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