Neighbours camera

Micky8728

Just wondering what the laws are regarding cameras on private property. Just noticed this evening the neighbours have put up what looks like a dash cam in one of the bedrooms in the second story at the back of the house. I think it was because the dog is constantly escaping. I'd say it is picking up most of my garden as well. Just wondering if there is a law against this as I don't want my child being filmed when he's outside especially because he's being potty trained atm.

Under His Eye

Go talk to your neighbour. These things can be worked out with out getting arsey.

Micky8728

Under His Eye wrote: »

Go talk to your neighbour. These things can be worked out with out getting arsey.

No point. Had problems with neighbour since monlved in year ago. Loud music and dog being left in house Barking and howling until owner returns. Any time tried talking they play the racist card and refuse to talk. Mod deletion

Micky8728
Pls do not post racist remarks here

fritzelly

Since you have no proof of anything I'm not sure what you expect

Kristopherus

Can you take the matter up with their landlord?

Stanford

Are you renting your home?

_Brian

fritzelly wrote: »

Since you have no proof of anything I'm not sure what you expect

OP expects privacy and is entitled to same.
If the camera overlooks amd records their back garden that is a privacy problem.

If the tenants can’t be worked with I’d be contacting the landlord

Stanford

_Brian wrote: »

OP expects privacy and is entitled to same.
If the camera overlooks amd records their back garden that is a privacy problem.

If the tenants can’t be worked with I’d be contacting the landlord

I was just trying to establish that but I agree if the house is rented

Under His Eye

Camera could not be working. Ever think that could be the case?

Stanford

Under His Eye wrote: »

Camera could not be working. Ever think that could be the case?

Or perhaps it is.....................could that be the case?

Masala

Would U just walk around the garden bollix naked.... am sure he will readjust his angles if all he can see is your dangly bits blowing in the wind....

Hitman3000

Under His Eye wrote:

Camera could not be working. Ever think that could be the case?

It's possible but the OP has no way of knowing since his neighbour is not approachable. Personally if someone had a camera trained on their garden but picked up a lot of mine too I would have an issue also tbh.

fritzelly

_Brian wrote: »

OP expects privacy and is entitled to same.
If the camera overlooks amd records their back garden that is a privacy problem.

If the tenants can’t be worked with I’d be contacting the landlord

neighbours have put up what looks like a dash cam in one of the bedrooms

I'd say it is picking up most of my garden as well

So not sure what it is, not sure where it's pointing - lot of assumptions on the OP's behalf

Stanford

Hitman3000 wrote: »

It's possible but the OP has no way of knowing since his neighbour is not approachable. Personally if someone had a camera trained on their garden but picked up a lot of mine too I would have an issue also tbh.

The local Gardai would take a dim view if they thought the camera was trained on OP's child in his back garden, perhaps he should have a word with them

Under His Eye

This is how online peaedo witch hunts start.

I suggest contacting the landlord or the Data Protection Commission.

TheQuietFella

Micky8728 wrote: »

Just wondering what the laws are regarding cameras on private property. Just noticed this evening the neighbours have put up what looks like a dash cam in one of the bedrooms in the second story at the back of the house. I think it was because the dog is constantly escaping. I'd say it is picking up most of my garden as well. Just wondering if there is a law against this as I don't want my child being filmed when he's outside especially because he's being potty trained atm.

You're potty training your kid in the back garden?

Hitman3000

TheQuietFella wrote:

You're potty training your kid in the back garden?

When my wife and I potty trained our two lads, sometimes particularly when the weather was good the potty was brought out to the back garden. Kids leave it to the very last second to want to use the toilet. Running inside with a child already in full flow best avoided.

Homer

The problem is that your neighbour is entitled to have a camera protecting his/her property, but you seem to think that he has a clear view of your garden.
Without seeing the field of view or view that the camera has you have no way of knowing what they can see. The guards won’t be terribly interested in a civil matter like that and I can’t see how you can prove what the camera can or can’t see if you don’t have a good relationship with the neighbour in question?
You could get the landlord involved but I can’t see how that will help that much.

rgodard80a

Micky8728 wrote: »

...the neighbours have put up what looks like a dash cam in one of the bedrooms in the second story at the back of the house. I think it was because the dog is constantly escaping.

In fairness, it sounds like they're trying to see how the dog is escaping.
It's probably not a permanent thing.
An escaped dog is a more immediate threat to your kids than the camera.


There are things they can do, if you can request it.

1. try to position the camera to only record their property
2. some IP cameras can let you "mask off" the image, so that even if your property is in their field of view, that it doesn't record that section of the screen.

italodisco

Easy way to deal with him, let him see you take photo of the back of his house where the camera is.

Knock on his door and tell him that if he doesn't play ball you'll be going to the gardai and letting them know he is recording children with it, and that you'll also post a warning on Facebook groups about it.

Let's see how quick he plays ball then lol

Mod
This LD mod strongly disagrees with this advice
Have a cup of tea or similar with neighbour at one of the houses or at a neutral place

TheQuietFella

italodisco wrote: »

Easy way to deal with him, let him see you take photo of the back of his house where the camera is.

Knock on his door and tell him that if he doesn't play ball you'll be going to the gardai and letting them know he is recording children with it, and that you'll also post a warning on Facebook groups about it.

Let's see how quick he plays ball then lol

How f**king old are you?

GarIT

I don't know the laws because I installed mine myself without actually looking into anything but when there was some problems with the ethnic neighbours coming into our back garden and we mentioned it to the Gardaí, they said they don't give a **** if it picks up a neighbour at the top or sides of the frame as long as it is centered on your own property.

GarIT

italodisco wrote: »

letting them know he is recording children with it

First of all making up serious allegations is a very ****ty thing to do if not illegal.

There was another thread about recording something in a park and the conclusion was it's completely legal to record children if they are visible from a public place and not naked. I believe it is legal to record anything as long as it is visible from a public place you can even record things that are on private property, once the recording device is in a public place.

italodisco

TheQuietFella wrote: »

How f**king old are you?

Firstly I wouldn't do any of it but I'd let him think I would....

And secondly, the reality is if I approached them nicely about it and the started playing up I'd deal with it a whole other way, one that I won't mention here in case I trigger a touchy mod

sexmag

My advice would be go out once a day to.your back garden and pretend to take a pic of his camera, if it is recording your garden and he sees you doing it in sure he'll have questions, at which point you can bring it up and not only that if he refuses you then have a right to complain through court he came and told you he could see you

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/dublin-man-with-16-cctv-cameras-convicted-of-harassment-after-secretly-filming-neighbours-37134212.html

melekalikimaka

I think people need to look up privacy laws in Ireland a little here, right to privacy is a loose term... Very loose

Reati

GarIT wrote: »

First of all making up serious allegations is a very ****ty thing to do if not illegal.

There was another thread about recording something in a park and the conclusion was it's completely legal to record children if they are visible from a public place and not naked. I believe it is legal to record anything as long as it is visible from a public place you can even record things that are on private property, once the recording device is in a public place.

It's legal to record or take images of a location that is visible to the public without an expectation of privacy.

You cannot record or take images from a public space of someone who has a reasonable right to privacy.

I don't really get the debate here. A camera trained on someones garden is a breech of reasonable right to privacy.

The DPC has a bunch of stuff on the use of CCTV style cameras.

Recognisable images captured by CCTV systems are "personal data".

They are subject to the provisions of the Data Protection Acts. If you are the person in control of the CCTV system or the images that it produces then you are considered a 'data controller'.

The data controller should be able to justify why they are collecting or using personal data.

A neighbor may object to images of her/his property being recorded and could take a civil legal action if their right to privacy is infringed by the placement of a CCTV camera which records their property.

Any person whose image is recorded on a CCTV system has a right to seek and be supplied with a copy of their own personal data from the footage.

To exercise that right, a person must make an application in writing. The data controller may charge up to €6.35 for responding to such a request and must respond within 40 days.

Your options are ask the neighbor what's going on or talk to a solicitor about complaining to the DPC and take a civil case.

EDIT: or as someone linked to the article go to the Gardai for harassment.

MrStuffins

italodisco wrote: »

Knock on his door and tell him that if he doesn't play ball you'll be going to the gardai and letting them know he is recording children with it, and that you'll also post a warning on Facebook groups about it.

People like you disgust me!

facehugger99

TheQuietFella wrote: »

How f**king old are you?

Careful now.

That's the kind of question a paedo would ask.

You don't want to wind up on a Facebook group.

Lmklad

“Cameras placed so as to record external areas should be positioned in such a way as to prevent or minimise recording of passers-by or of another person's private property.”

Quote is from Data Protection site. The link provides more information

https://www.dataprotection.ie/docs/Data-Protection-CCTV/m/242.htm

runawaybishop

Reati wrote: »

It's legal to record or take images of a location that is visible to the public without an expectation of privacy.

You cannot record or take images from a public space of someone who has a reasonable right to privacy.

I don't really get the debate here. A camera trained on someones garden is a breech of reasonable right to privacy.

The DPC has a bunch of stuff on the use of CCTV style cameras.



Your options are ask the neighbor what's going on or talk to a solicitor about complaining to the DPC and take a civil case.

EDIT: or as someone linked to the article go to the Gardai for harassment.

If the camera is centered on the neighbours garden and cannot record anything they cannot see from their own window then there is no privacy breach.

sexmag

runawaybishop wrote: »

If the camera is centered on the neighbours garden and cannot record anything they cannot see from their own window then there is no privacy breach.

not true, it houseing estates houses can be back to back and plenty of people can see into others bedrooms, you can be damn sure that if someone was to record someones bedroom its a privacy breach

Carpentry

Micky8728 wrote: »

No point. Had problems with neighbour since monlved in year ago. Loud music and dog being left in house Barking and howling until owner returns. Any time tried talking they play the racist card and refuse to talk. They are Polish.

Micky8728 wrote: »

Mod deletion home

Wonder why would they call you a racist ?

sexmag

Carpentry wrote: »

Wonder why would they call you a racist ?

Just like the media you have taken this out of context.

The quote was taken from this thread

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106429101

Which asks people to say something controversial, which he did

Hitman3000

Carpentry wrote:

Wonder why would they call you a racist ?

Are Polish people a distinctive race collectively? Or are you confusing xenophobia with racism?

Carpentry

Micky8728 wrote: »

No point. Had problems with neighbour since monlved in year ago. Loud music and dog being left in house Barking and howling until owner returns. Any time tried talking they play the racist card and refuse to talk. They are Polish.

sexmag wrote: »

Just like the media you have taken this out of context.

The quote was taken from this thread

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=106429101

Which asks people to say something controversial, which he did

what a coincidence

Carpentry

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Are Polish people a distinctive race collectively? Or are you confusing xenophobia with racism?

dont know, just quoting OP.

Hitman3000

Carpentry wrote:

dont know, just quoting OP.

Seems strange to suggest racism when you are not sure yourself.

Reati

runawaybishop wrote: »

If the camera is centered on the neighbours garden and cannot record anything they cannot see from their own window then there is no privacy breach.

Yes it is. It's not anything to do with the seeing. It's the act of recording it.

Carpentry

Hitman3000 wrote: »

Seems strange to suggest racism when you are not sure yourself.

well, after all it wasnt me calling OP the racist was it ?

Hitman3000

Carpentry wrote:

well, after all it wasnt me calling OP the racist was it ?

So can you explain why you would pull a comment from a different thread into this one?
Lastly accusing someone of being racist is not the criteria to prove they are indeed racist. It's a term regularly used by clueless individuals.

Carpentry

Hitman3000 wrote: »

So can you explain why you would pull a comment from a different thread into this one?
Lastly accusing someone of being racist is not the criteria to prove they are indeed racist.

I dont know, he mentioned polish there and here, so I thought it might be the connection somewhere

It's a term regularly used by clueless individuals.

I wouldnt know, never called anyone a racist.

runawaybishop

sexmag wrote: »

not true, it houseing estates houses can be back to back and plenty of people can see into others bedrooms, you can be damn sure that if someone was to record someones bedroom its a privacy breach

How would someone else's bedroom be in the middle of the neighbours garden?

The op isn't talking about someone recording their bedroom, it is a camera facing their own garden with overspill. This isn't a breech.

Hitman3000

Carpentry wrote:

I dont know, he mentioned polish there and here, so I thought it might be the connection somewhere

I'm going to leave it at this but it strikes me as if you are trying to imply something just not willing to be straight out about it.

brian_t

runawaybishop wrote: »

The op isn't talking about someone recording their bedroom, it is a camera facing their own garden with overspill.

At the moment it is something that looks like a camera according to the OP.

andekwarhola

Stanford wrote: »

The local Gardai would take a dim view if they thought the camera was trained on OP's child in his back garden, perhaps he should have a word with them

If that's the case, any cctv is dodgy as children could walk by. As said, this how witch hunts start.

Reati

runawaybishop wrote: »

How would someone else's bedroom be in the middle of the neighbours garden?

The op isn't talking about someone recording their bedroom, it is a camera facing their own garden with overspill. This isn't a breech.

You've moved the goalposts to suit your posts

Anyway, the OP has their options laid out to them in my earlier post.There isn't a debate to be hard here.

Carpentry

Hitman3000 wrote: »

I'm going to leave it at this but it strikes me as if you are trying to imply something just not willing to be straight out about it.

That was as straight as it gets. Wasnt implying anything. For real.

runawaybishop

Reati wrote: »

You've moved the goalposts to suit your posts

Anyway, the OP has their options laid out to them in my earlier post.There isn't a debate to be hard here.

I was responding to someone else's post about recording someone's bedroom.

Private individuals are exempt from data protection laws when recording their own home or property etc. As long as the camera is centered on their own garden there is no breech of privacy, especially when the overspill is on an area normally viewable by multiple properties.

sexmag

runawaybishop wrote: »

especially when the overspill is on an area normally viewable by multiple properties.

Can you link us to the part in the legislation that says that?

runawaybishop

sexmag wrote: »

Can you link us to the part in the legislation that says that?

Of course not, legislation isn't that specific. Rulings have found similar though.

Can you link to the legislation that states under no circumstances can any private property be recorded?