Are we from this planet originally?

StereoSound

If we are originally from this planet then how come we are subject to so many sicknesses and diseases from here? Our own sun can kill us.... The earth is 70% water and we are not born instinctively to swim so we will die if over exposed to it. Surely if we are natively from here we would be born naturally to tolerate perfectly everything on this earth.

With all the millions of planets out there it is not unreasonable to assume there are probably 100s of others with life forms like ours, humanoid forms.

Have you ever seen a UFO? I have on many occasions particularly during the summer time with clear skies. Lay on your back in the garden at night on a deck chair or whatever and stare up into the sky for a period of time, you will probably see half a dozen things moving about up there that you can't explain.

I'm interested in other peoples opinions on some of the points here.

biko

Yes we are.

Dave0301

StereoSound wrote: »

If we are originally from this planet then how come we are subject to so many sicknesses and diseases from here? Our own sun can kill us.... The earth is 70% water and we are not born instinctively to swim so we will die if over exposed to it. Surely if we are natively from here we would be born naturally to tolerate perfectly everything on this earth.

Disease causing bacteria and viruses can evolve and mutant, just as we and other animals have done over the years.

Also, hate to break it to you, but other stars will have the same impact on us as the Sun.

Fourier

StereoSound wrote: »

If we are originally from this planet then how come we are subject to so many sicknesses and diseases from here?

They have evolved to target our bodies.

Our own sun can kill us....

Do you mean via skin cancer?

The earth is 70% water and we are not born instinctively to swim so we will die if over exposed to it. Surely if we are natively from here we would be born naturally to tolerate perfectly everything on this earth.

No we evolved on land and evolved to extract oxygen from air, not water. Similarly some sea life can't survive on land, two different environments.

Franz Von Peppercorn

If you think that we weren’t from here because we can’t instinctively swim then you must think that lions, zebras, cats, sheep, cows, elephants .... - in fact all land animals - are aliens.

Hector Bellend

I think therefore I ****

biko

Tbh, OP - there is no place better for you in the entire universe than this planet.

igCorcaigh

I'm open to the idea of panspermia.
Life started off very quickly after the great bombardment.

Mars might have been where prokaryotic life started.

Maybe we're all Martians.

judeboy101

We are but Marty Morrissey isn't.

Hector Bellend

judeboy101 wrote: »

We are but Marty Morrissey isn't.

biddly biddly

Temptamperu

This is a prison planet for the worst scum in the universe.

Lorelli!

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Maybe we're all Martians.

Not all of us. Some of us are more than likely Venusian.

StereoSound

I think its good to think outside the box about everything, since the universe has yet to be comprehensively explored. The fine details as to how we ended up here and the science behind it is just assumed. My point is that there is a possibility life on this earth originated from other earthly worlds where a transition was made to populate other planets.

Man will one day probably live on mars right? If we as humans have this theory then it's reasonable to assume others have put us here on this earth for the same reason.

Anyways its interesting discussion. Carry on chaps

s7ryf3925pivug

Camels are clearly space aliens too, given their poor ability to survive in the ocean.

TheValeyard

igCorcaigh wrote: »

I'm open to the idea of panspermia.
Life started off very quickly after the great bombardment.

Mars might have been where prokaryotic life started.

Maybe we're all Martians.

Mars at some stage may have been our sister world until disaster struck.


We definitely originated here, all the evidence points that way. But who knows, maybe theres more of us, out there, somewhere...

Duff

What about the Nephilim?

StereoSound

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Mars at some stage may have been our sister world until disaster struck.


We definitely originated here, all the evidence points that way. But who knows, maybe theres more of us, out there, somewhere...

Nice thinking... Very reasonable theory since mars is radioactive now, for what reason? Nuclear war?

Signore Fancy Pants

StereoSound wrote: »

Nice thinking... Very reasonable theory since mars is radioactive now, for what reason? Nuclear war?

Cohaagen took the air

Giraffe Box

Maybe we're all descendant from migrant occupants of interplanetary craft and our spaceship was turned away from Mars and sent to planet Earth, a place, hitherto, that had refused to take its fair share of humanoid seekers of a better life.
I hasten to add - before the usual shower start fulminating - that this occurrence predated Islam by at least a couple of years, so we weren't all Muslim migrants as such.;)

igCorcaigh

Lorelli! wrote: »

Not all of us. Some of us are more than likely Venusian.

igCorcaigh

Giraffe Box wrote: »

Maybe we're all descendant from migrant occupants of interplanetary craft and our spaceship was turned away from Mars and sent to planet Earth, a place, hitherto, that had refused to take its fair share of humanoid seekers of a better life.
I hasten to add - before the usual shower start fulminating - that this occurrence predated Islam by at least a couple of years, so we weren't all Muslim migrants as such.;)

Calling occupants...

Try_harder

OP isn't

buried

If the landlords ever return to boot us out the gaff we're definitely not getting back the deposit

mickoneill31

What's your theory OP?

That some great apes or common ancestor were dropped off by a spaceship and we evolved from them or that the apes themselves were flying the spaceships?

Evolution isn't there to make us invulnerable to the environment. It's there to ensure that we reproduce. After that, getting killed off by skin cancer (as an example) or anything else in the environment doesn't really matter to it.

If skin cancer was a major threat prior to repoduction then those who had a greater immunity against it would be more likely to reproduce and those who were vulnerable would die off before reproducing so you'd end up with a species that isn't really that susceptible to it in their first 20 / 30 years. You know, like us. Getting cancer in your older years 40s / 50s etc. doesn't really affect reproduction.

Stanford

How do we explain Trump then..?

igCorcaigh

The primordial soup theory is out the window.
Hydrothermal vents?

Nick Lane is a good writer to follow in this area.

And it seems life started up really quickly once it had the chance.

The great blocker seems to be the jump from prokaryotic to multi cellular eukaryotes.

But could the jump from pre-life chemistry to replicating RNA come about so quickly?

Makes me think that panspermia is a plausible theory. Maybe Fred Hoyle was right.

Giraffe Box

mickoneill31 wrote: »

What's your theory OP?

That some great apes or common ancestor were dropped off by a spaceship and we evolved from them or that the apes themselves were flying the spaceships?

Evolution isn't there to make us invulnerable to the environment. It's there to ensure that we reproduce. After that, getting killed off by skin cancer (as an example) or anything else in the environment doesn't really matter to it.

If skin cancer was a major threat prior to repoduction then those who had a greater immunity against it would be more likely to reproduce and those who were vulnerable would die off before reproducing so you'd end up with a species that isn't really that susceptible to it in their first 20 / 30 years. You know, like us. Getting cancer in your older years 40s / 50s etc. doesn't really affect reproduction.

I thought the OP was just riffing, if he really believes - 'Have you ever seen a UFO? I have on many occasions particularly during the summer time with clear skies.' - then of course, he's a fruit bat and we shouldn't be encouraging him.
I'll get my coat.

igCorcaigh

Stanford wrote: »

How do we explain Trump then..?

P.ie

igCorcaigh

Giraffe Box wrote: »

I thought the OP was just riffing, if he really believes - 'Have you ever seen a UFO? I have on many occasions particularly during the summer time with clear skies.' - then of course, he's a fruit bat and we shouldn't be encouraging him.
I'll get my coat.

Rocks can travel from Mars to earth and vv.
No spaceships involved.

Comets can travel to the edge of the solar system and encounter other objects from other solar systems.

It seems too coincidental for these systems of transit to be in place yet be of no consequence for life.

Or maybe I'm overthinking the OP

Cheerful Spring

Yes I have seen unexplained objects two times in my life so far. The first time was when I was 13 and 14 and then again when I was 29

I can't say it was Alien, but the events are something I never experienced before.

First event involved two coloured lights one was green and the other red they weren't orbs or circular they were shaped horizontal they looked a school ruler and before I saw them fly past they sky started flashing uncontrollably like it was going through an electric shock of some sort? Once the objects had gone the flashing just faded out and went back to normal. I witnessed this with a couple of friends.

My last sighting was onboard a Ryanair flight from Stansted to Cork. I was halfway home with my girlfriend at that time I witnessed multiple black objects about 5 to 6 just motionless in the clouds. My girlfriend said the objects had a orange tint at the top but i couldn't see that personally. I wish still to this day i taken out my phone and taken video and pictures but we were sitting at the very front in seats and the air hostess was there so i didn't my biggest regret.

4068ac1elhodqr

What's the story with pigs? We can generally accept their organs for transplants and they sunburn quickly like us.
Those medieval folks in the MidEast won't eat them as they're considered 'tainted' 'dirty' 'forbidden' or something (cannibalism).

One wild theory is that the ufo chaps from the Pleiades star cluster (GL planet at star HD 23514),
mixed pigs and apes as they were plentyful and handy, added a bit of Chromosone-2 and a dash of their own intelligence to create modern human to mine for gold.
Some suggest the evolution to inteligent human was rapid (miR-941) and dramatic, to the neocortex gene (ARHGAP11B).

We welcome our alien overlords if they have better WiFi, also if take away and probe our social leaders: The Kardagins.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/weird-news/699147/Human-alien-hybrids-ancient-astronauts-dna-Pleiades-stars
https://www.express.co.uk/news/science/777627/alien-dna-message-human

pleas advice

Have a read of this, OP. You might find something in it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

hatrickpatrick

I don't think the question asked here is as ridiculous or outlandish as some are making out. There are several credible theories which hold that there's a possibility cellular life was brought to Earth by a comet in an impact event.

https://www.space.com/33011-life-building-blocks-found-around-comet.html

It's highly unlikely we'll ever definitively prove the origin of cellular life on Earth - there's simply been too much water under the bridge since life emerged here (including a catastrophic volcanic eruption 250 million years ago which wiped out 96% of all life on the plant at the time) for there to be provable evidence. But the idea that life emerged entirely organically from terrestrial processes is far from certain. Many different theories propose that at Earth was "seeded" with at least some of the necessary building blocks for life by impact events.

Outlaw Pete

Very astute, OP.

Earth started out as an galactic penal colony about 40,000 years ago. Essentially the Van Diemen's Land of The Milky Way. 'Death by Neanderthal' is what we used to call it whenever a ne'er-do-well was exiled here but alas they all started shagging each other and crime went up back home as a result. People wanted to see the "Earth Orgy" for themselves you see, so that put paid to that.

igCorcaigh

pleas advice wrote: »

Have a read of this, OP. You might find something in it

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu

LOL!

Cheerful Spring

StereoSound wrote: »

I think its good to think outside the box about everything, since the universe has yet to be comprehensively explored. The fine details as to how we ended up here and the science behind it is just assumed. My point is that there is a possibility life on this earth originated from other earthly worlds where a transition was made to populate other planets.

Man will one day probably live on mars right? If we as humans have this theory then it's reasonable to assume others have put us here on this earth for the same reason.

Anyways its interesting discussion. Carry on chaps

A Pentagon UFO project was recently revealed by the New York Times and the study looked at all anomalous activity that interacted with the US military for past decade. Their conclusion was no country on earth has these vehicles in their inventory.

Luiz Elizondo who ran the UFO program has spoken more about it on different radio shows. He has confirmed other US agencies have their own UFO programs, but he can't speak about those projects as they are classified and only the US government can't reveal them. He also stated the US government has better videos of UFOs that are way better than ones released but they are still classified. The videos released were to just start the conversation the goal is to bring this out to the public who thought the subject was bunk. He said they currently looking into showing and bringing out UFO metamaterials so Scientists not involved in the programs can look at. He also hinted members of Congress are being briefed on the subject behind closed doors and there maybe be an eventual open congress debate on the subject and what it alls means.

You going to see lot more films about the UFO subject in the coming years to get people more aware of the reality of this phenomenon.

Wibbs

Adrien Massive Foxhound wrote: »

What's the story with pigs? We can generally accept their organs for transplants and they sunburn quickly like us.

If by "us" you mean those of European ancestry then yes, but Asians and African among others don't sunburn to nearly the same degree. Even very pale Asians don't as their pale skin is the result of a different set of mutations to Europeans and one that's more resistant to sun damage while still having the ability to soak up more vitamin D when required. Europeans got the shite end of the deal there. More skin cancer and faster ageing of the skin.

igCorcaigh

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

You going to see lot more films about the UFO subject in the coming years to get people more aware of the reality of this phenomenon.

Ah... Not so sure about this..

But your point about us military watching this space is valid.

But I think covert military development is far more likely to account for that interest.

Cheerful Spring

igCorcaigh wrote: »

Ah... Not so sure about this..

But your point about us military watching this space is valid.

But I think covert military development is far more likely to account for that interest.

One of them is going to be released by the history channel very soon. Sure Hollywood is mixed in with it but people are going to learn about one of the pioneer people in UFology and the cases he investigated for the US airforce. He came in as a Skeptic J A hynek and eventually turned into a believer.

Elizondo was given access to secret programs but this stuff has to be protected from its enemies so they releasing at a slow pace. Elizonda is aware of all covert activity.

Cheerful Spring

This is another one that loosely based on the O Hara international airport sighting

Buford T. Justice XIX

Temptamperu wrote: »

This is a prison planet for the worst scum in the universe.

In all honesty, you're not that bad, tbf:pac:

RiderOnTheStorm

StereoSound wrote:

I think its good to think outside the box about everything, since the universe has yet to be comprehensively explored. The fine details as to how we ended up here and the science behind it is just assumed.....

Totally agree.

For a long time the majority of people believed that God created the Earth & humans designed to live on it. And you could not teach evolution. Then in very short time the whole world believes in evolution and you cant teach creation. If you say you believe in it you are either ridiculed or assumed to be too stupid to understand evolution. Maybe its time to rediscover and old idea.

I do believe we are designed to live on this planet, and we didn't come from another planet.

By the way, we are all born with the ability to swim. See cover of Nirvana's album for proof. We just unlearn it from lack of use.

4068ac1elhodqr

RiderOnTheStorm wrote: »

Totally agree.

For a long time the majority of people believed that God created the Earth & humans designed to live on it. And you could not teach evolution. Then in very short time the whole world believes in evolution and you cant teach creation. If you say you believe in it you are either ridiculed or assumed to be too stupid to understand evolution. Maybe its time to rediscover and old idea.

I do believe we are designed to live on this planet, and we didn't come from another planet.

By the way, we are all born with the ability to swim. See cover of Nirvana's album for proof. We just unlearn it from lack of use.

Yes highly likely 'evolved' from the sea. About 1% still today have the genetic leftover of fish gills, they are 'nodules, dents, or dimples' that are exposed anywhere around the external ear – specifically, where the 'face' and the cartilage meet.



However there is still some questions regarding the leap from stupid fish/apes into modern conscious human.

redblaze

igCorcaigh wrote: »

The primordial soup theory is out the window.
Hydrothermal vents?

Nick Lane is a good writer to follow in this area.

And it seems life started up really quickly once it had the chance.

The great blocker seems to be the jump from prokaryotic to multi cellular eukaryotes.

But could the jump from pre-life chemistry to replicating RNA come about so quickly?

Makes me think that panspermia is a plausible theory. Maybe Fred Hoyle was right.

Somewhere in here is philosophical genius Corcaigh. But we need some help with the above in layman's language.

StereoSound

mickoneill31 wrote: »

What's your theory OP?

That some great apes or common ancestor were dropped off by a spaceship and we evolved from them or that the apes themselves were flying the spaceships?

You could be along those lines right to some degree.. except the apes flying the spacecraft.
Primitive beings purposely left here to survive for themselves in an environment unknown to them. Sort of like an experiment if you will. That's certainly one way of putting it. We will do the same with Mars one day, drop intelligent life onto the planet to build bases and utilise the existing oxygen there to produce a living atmosphere and produce different kinds of life.

Another reasonable assumption to life on this planet would be space debris from other worlds with active bacteria that crashed onto the earth and life found a way. I don't have any precise theories but an open mind as to how this planet became teemed with life. Some of these active bacteria probably landed in the oceans and the bacteria adapted to sea life as we see it today. Others landed on the earths surface and it found its way to adapt on dry land. Plants for example can move physically... Look at fly traps. Humans and animals are just more physical and aware of their surroundings hence we adapted as intelligent life forms. I'm not comparing people to plants other then the fact that they grow and die like us.

Could we have been put here by other intelligent life forms as a means for them to experiment with life finding its own way? Are we observed from distances unreachable by us? You wouldn't know what the FCK is out there watching us.. They probably don't mean us any harm since they could have wiped us out thousands of years ago if that were the case.

Shoot me for my theories but its interesting conversation:pac:

ardinn

This is a really interesting subject and the disaster on mars theory is proving more and more popular among scientists - something definitely happened there, there is a cliff 1 mile high around mars - like an equator, the can only be explained by some massive, MASSIVE abnormality.

Then we have gobleki tepi (sp) the pyramids, stonehenge and all the ancient monuments built, probably as a worldwide warning system - we just cant figure it out yet. The blocks on the pyramids and other sites have now been found to have been cut mechanically, a tool maker from 'american tools' who analyzed a particular stone said whatever cut it was spinning 5000 times faster than any tool he knew of that exists today!

The further I go into the different theories the more they link up together. About 12k years ago there was a cataclysm on this planet, and a more advanced civilization than our own was wiped out.

If you want to melt your brain, look up spirit science (this is mental - but watch it - there is a full 4hr episode on youtube) it is a bit wild and ridiculous sounding. but then listen to graham hancock on the joe rogan experience, there is about 6 or 7 3hr podcasts with him - he, years ago, was mocked and outcast from scientific circles for his theories, but is gaining more and more traction in recent years with scientists and egyptoligists who can no longer deny his research. You also have randall carson, and robert schoch backing up a lot of what he says regarding the ancient civilizations on earth.

Randalls work on climate change and what went on in the past regarding warming and cooling is staggering!

ardinn

It's also worth mentioning that there is a growing theory that octopus arrived here on a meteor, their intelligence and ridiculous abilities fit with no other species on the planet!

redblaze

Cheerful Spring wrote: »

A Pentagon UFO project was recently revealed by the New York Times and the study looked at all anomalous activity that interacted with the US military for past decade. Their conclusion was no country on earth has these vehicles in their inventory.

Luiz Elizondo who ran the UFO program has spoken more about it on different radio shows. He has confirmed other US agencies have their own UFO programs, but he can't speak about those projects as they are classified and only the US government can't reveal them. He also stated the US government has better videos of UFOs that are way better than ones released but they are still classified. The videos released were to just start the conversation the goal is to bring this out to the public who thought the subject was bunk. He said they currently looking into showing and bringing out UFO metamaterials so Scientists not involved in the programs can look at. He also hinted members of Congress are being briefed on the subject behind closed doors and there maybe be an eventual open congress debate on the subject and what it alls means.

You going to see lot more films about the UFO subject in the coming years to get people more aware of the reality of this phenomenon.

Definitely. This was outlined by the Disclosure Project 17 years ago. Albeit they say we'll see a fake alien invasion as an act of war

gw80

Wibbs wrote: »

If by "us" you mean those of European ancestry then yes, but Asians and African among others don't sunburn to nearly the same degree. Even very pale Asians don't as their pale skin is the result of a different set of mutations to Europeans and one that's more resistant to sun damage while still having the ability to soak up more vitamin D when required. Europeans got the shite end of the deal there. More skin cancer and faster ageing of the skin.

There's actually a guy on youtube, ( of course there is)who believe,s that white people are from another planet.

redblaze

ardinn wrote: »

About 12k years ago there was a cataclysm on this planet, and a more advanced civilization than our own was wiped out.

Interesting. Never heard of that one.

Got a link for more on it?

buried

redblaze wrote: »

Interesting. Never heard of that one.

Got a link for more on it?

Have a glawp at this podcast, goes into this theory a good bit, Randall Carlson is a very cool person. Other ones up there too with these guys