N11 80 signs before Glen of the Downs

Reati

I keep forgetting to ask but anyone know what the craic with the temporary flashing 80kph sign that was put up before the bridge. It's not always on but it's about 500 - 600 meters from the fixed to poles road signs that go down to 80.

There was a speed van there a week or so ago just past it. If the legal speed limit is now 80 on that section, he was shooting fish in the barrel as everyone was belting through at 100, it being the last fixed to a pole road speed.

Toyotafanboi

Yeah it's an utter piss take there in fairness, putting up a temporary 80km sign on a blind curve on a dual carriageway then placing a speed camera van 250 meters from the sign on the other side of the curve, but only doing it sometimes.

Neither the van nor the sign are always there so I've often wondered that myself, what way does the land lie. I've travelled that road for years and it's always been a 100kmh zone there, I was keeping up with traffic flow there one evening around rush hour a fortnight ago, doing low 90's and passed the van the copped what happened and seen the temporary sign in my rear view. Have heard nothing yet anyway and hopefully it stays that way.

The likes of that really ducks me off. Putting that speed van there at rush hour times really only serves to worsen traffic issues with do gooders slowing to 50kmh to pass the van. That any 99% of people passing there are commuters and it's a pure joke that an honest person just looking to get home after a days work can be stuck with €80 and 3 points because they are changing that road on a temporary basis from 80 - 100kmh.

punisher5112

It's 80 for the bend and also due to hidden entrance/exit for the parking in on the left.

The speed van will catch you at 100 as it's still a 100 zone at the point.


The amount of cars that have had very bad crashes on that bend also is probably a factor.

Reati

Rennaws wrote: »

I’ve been saying it for years..

I’ve matched the most recent rta statistics with the camer van spots and there’s no correlation at all.

Where there is a correlation is the type of road..

It’s nearly always a good road with a decent hiding spot and an usually low limit.

I'd agree. If enforcing speed limits is the goal. Only Average speed cameras will be effective.

Reati

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's 80 for the bend and also due to hidden entrance/exit for the parking in on the left.

The speed van will catch you at 100 as it's still a 100 zone at the point.


The amount of cars that have had very bad crashes on that bend also is probably a factor.

I don't really get you. To clarify, not talking about the Glen of the Down and the entrance exit in the actual 80 zone.

The speed sign is 275 meters before the bend and exit to the left just after the bridge.

If the sign is there for that road it's very confusing for drivers as it's targeting those continuing on the N11 and they have another one right past that bend telling people to slow down to 80 for the Glen of the Downs itself.

Toyotafanboi

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's 80 for the bend and also due to hidden entrance/exit for the parking in on the left.

The speed van will catch you at 100 as it's still a 100 zone at the point.


The amount of cars that have had very bad crashes on that bend also is probably a factor.

I appreciate the bend into The Glen has always been 80 and the van under the overpass is within a 100 zone before that bend, and that's fine.

The issue I have is occasionally activating a temporary 80kmh sign in the signposted 100kmh zone at Horkans garden centre and still putting the speed van under the overpass, less than 250 meters away where it can't be seen. It's a joke.

punisher5112

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

I appreciate the bend into The Glen has always been 80 and the van under the overpass is within a 100 zone before that bend, and that's fine.

The issue I have is occasionally activating a temporary 80kmh sign in the signposted 100kmh zone at Horkans garden centre and still putting the speed van under the overpass, less than 250 meters away where it can't be seen. It's a joke.

It's to highlight the up coming 80km/h zone.

It works off a lazer which usually turns on when motion of vehicle approaching is hit.

Toyotafanboi

Do you reckon the van is enforcing 100kmh or 80kmh when the sign is on?

punisher5112

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Do you reckon the van is enforcing 100kmh or 80kmh when the sign is on?

100 as that's what signs are on the road.

It's like a early warning sign for what's ahead.

doolox

These restrictions on the N11 cause massive traffic jams in evening rush hour southbound.

Many people do not realise that 120 kph is legal from exit 14 to South of Bray and plod along at 90 kph or less in the outside lane holding everybody else up.

Even worse if the Fassaroe exit just south of Bray where jams on the exit road spill out onto the dual carriageway blocking the left lane and confounding people trying to go south towards Wicklow town.

Even worse is the travesty of Killmacanogue which should be bypassed or converted to full motorway standard as it is the cause of the stop go traffic on the N11 at evening rush hour.

Reati

doolox wrote: »

Even worse is the travesty of Killmacanogue which should be bypassed or converted to full motorway standard as it is the cause of the stop go traffic on the N11 at evening rush hour.

It was a disgrace that they repaved that earlier this year without fixing the terrible and shocking design. All it needs is a barrier

blackbox

doolox wrote: »

Even worse is the travesty of Killmacanogue which should be bypassed or converted to full motorway standard as it is the cause of the stop go traffic on the N11 at evening rush hour.

The speed limit at Kilmacanogue Southbound could safely be increased if they forced traffic from the filling station to go up the slip road and merge after the junction. I can't understand why they don't do this. All it needs is a barrier.

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The Bishop Basher

blackbox wrote: »

The speed limit at Kilmacanogue Southbound could safely be increased if they forced traffic from the filling station to go up the slip road and merge after the junction. I can't understand why they don't do this. All it needs is a barrier.

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Couldn’t agree more. Some cheap plastic type separators are all that’s needed.. I can’t undertsand why they leave it as is..

AhHaor

That van on the n11 northbound just before the Enniskerry turn off is a complete joke.

The Bishop Basher

AhHaor wrote: »

That van on the n11 northbound just before the Enniskerry turn off is a complete joke.

It's there to catch us as we build up speed to merge with the N11/M11.

I have particular disdain for that one but as they're so predictable it's never a problem.

Alun

Rennaws wrote: »

Couldn’t agree more. Some cheap plastic type separators are all that’s needed.. I can’t undertsand why they leave it as is..

They're not ... This is already in the planning ...

https://www.wicklow.ie/Living/Services/Planning/News-Events/n11-parallel-service-road-at-kilmacanogue-1529

Reati

Alun wrote: »

They're not ... This is already in the planning ...

https://www.wicklow.ie/Living/Services/Planning/News-Events/n11-parallel-service-road-at-kilmacanogue-1529

I wonder what impact it has. I've wondered if it starts the ripple all the way back to the Bray north merge.

punisher5112

Should have been done 15 years ago or more.

Chippy01

doolox wrote: »

Many people do not realise that 120 kph is legal from exit 14 to South of Bray.

Junction 14 is Coynes Cross, where the M11 becomes the N11.
It's there that the speed limit drops from 120 to 100 (heading North) to Bray, with an short 80 limit at Kilmacanogue. 120 resumes shortly after the Fassaroe junction.

Alun

Reati wrote: »

I wonder what impact it has. I've wondered if it starts the ripple all the way back to the Bray north merge.

Looking at the documents, the plan is to basically continue the merging lane from Bray South as a third auxiliary lane all the way to the lavender fields. There, it becomes a segregated lane with plastic bollards all the way up to the off ramp past the petrol station.

Traffic wanting to go to either the petrol station, perform a u-turn to head back northbound, or take the road to Roundwood need to get in lane somewhere between Bray South and the lavender fields. Not a problem, really.

Traffic joining at Bray South will have longer to merge into the rightmost 2 lanes, which can only be a good thing, but I can imagine a situation where some idiots will zoom up the inside lane and then try to jam in at the last moment before the bollards start causing a ripple effect in the process.

cython

Chippy01 wrote: »

Junction 14 is Coynes Cross, where the M11 becomes the N11.
It's there that the speed limit drops from 120 to 100 (heading North) to Bray, with an short 80 limit at Kilmacanogue. 120 resumes shortly after the Fassaroe junction.

I expect the poster was referring to Junction 14 of the M50, not the N/M11.....

Chippy01

cython wrote: »

I expect the poster was referring to Junction 14 of the M50, not the N/M11.....

Possibly, but he said N11 - not M50

cython

Chippy01 wrote: »

Possibly, but he said N11 - not M50

He also said southbound in evening rush hour. Of three elements presented, the mention of N11 is the outlier, so I'll give the benefit of the doubt, especially since heading southbound the M50 to M11 transition is comparatively transparent.

OldMrBrennan83

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punisher5112

Patww79 wrote: »

Life hack: slow down to 80 at the 80 sign. The speed camera can't get you then.

It's a lit up LED early warning sign it isn't a 80km/h now sign.

Toyotafanboi

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's a lit up LED early warning sign it isn't a 80km/h now sign.

And it's only lit up sometimes.

I understand your points about it and it does make sense now but even at that, why does this particular 80 zone deserve early warning signs more than others?

I remember it being controversial at the time that that bend was restricted to 80 but I don't personally recall any accidents there, possibly before my driving career though?

punisher5112

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

And it's only lit up sometimes.

I understand your points about it and it does make sense now but even at that, why does this particular 80 zone deserve early warning signs more than others?

I remember it being controversial at the time that that bend was restricted to 80 but I don't personally recall any accidents there, possibly before my driving career though?

There has been some very serious crashes on the bend and when raining I've been very close to one where BMW aquaplaned due to the near river like crossing the road.
He spun out and hit a van and trailer.

If you look at the concrete barrier you will see chunks taken out and huge scrapes up and along.

I've come across 3 where the road was shut for quite some time.

The other reason is the public area parking just after the bend which hasn't a merge or entrance lane.

The hard shoulder is very narrow also thanks mainly down to the tree huggers whom held up the road construction for years.

Reati

I've seen crashes there too, mainly after dark and when raining!