Looking for a tractor

cuculainn

Hi all, looking for a tractor to upgrade from a 4600. It would be used for bringing bales and getting meal over the winter. Some topping and general tipping aroind. It's for my father who is getting on so a bit more comfort.

What would people think of the likes of these?

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-international-685/19261318

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-70-90/19048302


https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-80-90-mint-finance-options/19318600

Angrydwarf

Bit more money but a 4wd is a lifesaver especially with winters getting worse. Nothing worse than digging up a field with the tyres.

selectamatic

Angrydwarf wrote: »

Bit more money but a 4wd is a lifesaver especially with winters getting worse. Nothing worse than digging up a field with the tyres.

True but the jobs described above shouldn't need 4wd unless the bales are being kept in the corner of a soft field or they're being fed out by ploughing out to a ring feeder in a rough field.

A clean case 844xl or 856xl would be my recommendation. Plenty of comfort, power and shouldn't break the bank.

Nekarsulm

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-4-70/19233833
How about this?

cuculainn

I have hummed and hawed over 2 Vs 4 wheeled drive....we have a small enough holding. And yard. Would 4 wheel be a bit awkward?

Also what are the chances of getting a machine for that sort of money that won't need any work down on it and will be reliable??

Angrydwarf

cuculainn wrote: »

I have hummed and hawed over 2 Vs 4 wheeled drive....we have a small enough holding. And yard. Would 4 wheel be a bit awkward?

Also what are the chances of getting a machine for that sort of money that won't need any work down on it and will be reliable??

Why would a 4wd be awkward?
It doesn't matter how old or new a tractor is, it could need expensive work done to it. The deutz in the ad above will need tyres replaced but it should be reliable if it's been well treated mechanically. Also think about parts and where the nearest dealer is.

keepalive213

That 70-90 is on donedeal a fair while.

cuculainn

Angrydwarf wrote: »

Why would a 4wd be awkward?
It doesn't matter how old or new a tractor is, it could need expensive work done to it. The deutz in the ad above will need tyres replaced but it should be reliable if it's been well treated mechanically. Also think about parts and where the nearest dealer is.

4 wheel can be a less agile round a yard? The 4600 will turn on a sixpence!!

Good point on parts....

cuculainn

keepalive213 wrote: »

That 70-90 is on donedeal a fair while.

Yeah it has for sure. It looks original enough but haven't looked at it in the flesh

Farmer

cuculainn wrote: »

....It's for my father who is getting on so a bit more comfort.

...and I'd say he's the best man to know what suits him. Alot of this stuff is about personal preferences. People are fussy about colours(brands), where levers are, how it feels, maybe if you're older, how awkward it is to get in and out of, etc. We're influenced by what suits us (4wd is an absolute necessity for many people but maybe not for you)

Ask him what his ideal tractor is or who has one around that looks good to him as a guide to where you should be going. I'd be wary of putting someone on a wrong choice for them by steering you towards my dream tractor rather than his

memorystick

Nekarsulm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-4-70/19233833
How about this?

Chocolate gears and very expensive to fix. I bought a John Deere 2650 4wd with a loaded this week. Not too big but big enough.

Angrydwarf

cuculainn wrote: »

Angrydwarf wrote: »

Why would a 4wd be awkward?
It doesn't matter how old or new a tractor is, it could need expensive work done to it. The deutz in the ad above will need tyres replaced but it should be reliable if it's been well treated mechanically. Also think about parts and where the nearest dealer is.

4 wheel can be a less agile round a yard? The 4600 will turn on a sixpence!!

Good point on parts....

It's really insignificant, if anything my 4wd is more agile because it's shorter in length

Siamsa Sessions

Jumping on the thread with a related question if that's OK.

I'm looking for a tractor at the moment and would appreciate any opinions especially on HP needed. The biggest jobs I'd be doing would be:

* lifting bales of hay/straw in the yard (no silage)
* spreading fertiliser
* topping

Won't be going out into the fields during the winter so I'm guessing a 2WD will do.

Have spoken to a few dealers/garages and been looking on DoneDeal, and everyone has a slightly different take.

Would 60-70 HP be enough for the above jobs?

Thanks.

twin_beacon

If ye are managing fine with a 2wd now, then I wouldn't bother seeking out a 4wd. If the right tractor just happens to be a 4wd, get it, but I wouldn't turn down a clean 2wd just because its a 2wd.

Imo, there are two reasons to buy a 4wd. if you land is wet and you run the risk if getting stuck. Second is if you are doing any loader work, the stronger and heavier axel is more desirable.


The Fiat 90 series is legendary, I'd have it over the International any day.
When looking at 20 year old machines, be careful of resprays and full valets! bring a mechanic with you. We learned that lesson the hard way around 20 years ago. Bought a lovely shiny resprayed lemon!

cuculainn

Would this series fiat have the same reputation as the 90 series

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-82-94/19102776#xtor=EPR-4-%5BsearchAlert%5D-20180720-%5BviewMatchingAd%5D-856451@1

Muckit

Yes a great little tractor too

kevthegaff

cuculainn wrote:

Would this series fiat have the same reputation as the 90 series

They were making more money as less rust

charolais0153

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Jumping on the thread with a related question if that's OK.

I'm looking for a tractor at the moment and would appreciate any opinions especially on HP needed. The biggest jobs I'd be doing would be:

* lifting bales of hay/straw in the yard (no silage)
* spreading fertiliser
* topping

Won't be going out into the fields during the winter so I'm guessing a 2WD will do.

Have spoken to a few dealers/garages and been looking on DoneDeal, and everyone has a slightly different take.

Would 60-70 HP be enough for the above jobs?

Thanks.

Ya plenty
A 165 or similiar is well capable of them jobs

kay 9

Don't know your budget but this would be a reliable and pokey little tractor (Fiat in blue)
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-6635-turbo/19108467

Siamsa Sessions

charolais0153 wrote: »

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Jumping on the thread with a related question if that's OK.

I'm looking for a tractor at the moment and would appreciate any opinions especially on HP needed. The biggest jobs I'd be doing would be:

* lifting bales of hay/straw in the yard (no silage)
* spreading fertiliser
* topping

Won't be going out into the fields during the winter so I'm guessing a 2WD will do.

Have spoken to a few dealers/garages and been looking on DoneDeal, and everyone has a slightly different take.

Would 60-70 HP be enough for the above jobs?

Thanks.

Ya plenty
A 165 or similiar is well capable of them jobs

Sound job - thanks.

Biggest job now is to find something!

Dakota Dan

Nekarsulm wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-4-70/19233833
How about this?

It's way over priced for a 1980 tractor, tyres need changing too.

Bass Reeves

cuculainn wrote: »

Would this series fiat have the same reputation as the 90 series

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/fiat-82-94/19102776#xtor=EPR-4-%5BsearchAlert%5D-20180720-%5BviewMatchingAd%5D-856451@1

Good tractor, good lift in it capable of nearly lifting two bales. Good seat as well, older farmers do not often appreciate the difference in a seat until they sit on one. She have a manual shuttle . Owner is more than likely looking for above 12+K for it. Will always hold it value and sell for lore than it cost in 10-15 years time.

charolais0153 wrote: »

Ya plenty
A 165 or similiar is well capable of them jobs

Way over priced often and dog rough. most will be in very poor condition and may need a few thousand put into them. A decent seat will cost 200 euro and in general few enough have good cabs.

kay 9 wrote: »

Don't know your budget but this would be a reliable and pokey little tractor (Fiat in blue)
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/new-holland-6635-turbo/19108467

Again a goodish tractor capable of lifting a single bales without weights in the front. She have a manual shuttle. Will always have good resale value. If it is a clean tractor and can be bought with a warranty for 10K or without one for a bit less I would not turn my nose up to it. These 2wd tractors with little work done and only doing 2-300 hours a year of light work will last forever. It should sell for more than they were bough for in 10-15 years time.

Dakota Dan wrote: »

It's way over priced for a 1980 tractor, tyres need changing too.

Maybe mabe not. Hard enough to come across these type of 2wd tractors. lads will say you could buy a 4wd tractor for near the same money but most will be way rougher. When you look at the market you will pay 8-10K for floor change 390's and more for 373's or 365's. It is not an 1980's tractor either but a 90's tractor and a mid late 90's as it is a NH. I am not sure if it is a fiat 88-94 or an 85-90. They are much better value than 3 series Masseys or 10 series fords and that is the market they are in.

Tyres are not that bad I think they have not being polished up. Front tyres are cheap enough for 2wd's and will last 10 years doing 300 hours/year. Rear tyres look like they have 40% on them if not more. They would last 10+ years unless driving an awful lot on the road.

Just to give an idea of the competition
https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/2wd-tractor-sales/18739848

Similar tractors in this market are Case CX's, Case 4230 (no shuttle), New Holland TL series, Massey 42 series ( but way more expensive).

Dakota Dan

You must be looking at the wrong tractor Bass, it's a 1980 deutz 4wd for 8.5k

Bass Reeves

Dakota Dan wrote: »

You must be looking at the wrong tractor Bass, it's a 1980 deutz 4wd for 8.5k

Sorry I taught it was the 2wd NH you were saying was overpriced. Agree about the Deutz. Looks rough as well. It could. Cost another2-3k to get it straight.

bogman_bass

Bought a case Cx90 a few years ago. My dad is in his 70’s and was never a nachinery man but he picked it up easily. Way better price then the equivilant Massey or new Holland too.

Sugarbowl

Sorry for bumping this thread - on the market for a tidy 4wd - nothing fancy. A large machine would not suit our farm setup. Any advice would be really appreciated as to what I should watch out for. Would be willing to spend about 12k. Is Case the best route to go down for value for money? Open to all suggestions. Thanks in advance.

lakill Farm

Sugarbowl wrote: »

Sorry for bumping this thread - on the market for a tidy 4wd - nothing fancy. A large machine would not suit our farm setup. Any advice would be really appreciated as to what I should watch out for. Would be willing to spend about 12k. Is Case the best route to go down for value for money? Open to all suggestions. Thanks in advance.

Case 895Xl or 4240XL
7740 New Holland
Deutz
Same 100.4/Lambourgini 1050
zetor


Lots of tractors out there, you just have to be watching the classified adds and be ready to go look at it and have the funds in place

Sugarbowl

lakill Farm wrote: »

Case 895Xl or 4240XL
7740 New Holland
Deutz
Same 100.4/Lambourgini 1050
zetor


Lots of tractors out there, you just have to be watching the classified adds and be ready to go look at it and have the funds in place

Thanks for info. How do the size of the Case you mentioned above correspond to the ford for instance? Would they be similar to the 6610 do you know?

anthony500_1

Sugarbowl wrote:

Thanks for info. How do the size of the Case you mentioned above correspond to the ford for instance? Would they be similar to the 6610 do you know?

If you Google 99% of tractors a website called tractor data will throw up all stats on most tractors it will give you an accurate idea of hp, oil flow for loaders erc, lift capacity etc etc very handy website to compare numbers.

Bazzer007

A lot of fellas looking for 4wd tractors for around that money. I was in the same boat a few months. Bought a JD 6600 for €13,500. A clean machine but has high hrs as you would expect. Tractor below looks clean. I imagine it will sell quick. If you don't buy in a rush you'll get a good deal just need to check DD regularly.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/97-398-massey-12-12-shuttle/19519544