If privatisation is the cure

If privatisation is the cure for all economic ills and the cure for the health services etc, how come subcontractors are protesting outside school because they haven't been paid, is there not suppose to be all up's and no down with privatisation.

Hector Bellend

Theyre protesting because they werent paid.

That represents a problem with privatisation

Hector Bellend

Hector Bellend wrote: »

Theyre protesting because they werent paid.

That represents a problem with privatisation

It was more a tongue in cheek comment to shrill promoting of privatisation as the cure for Irish economic ills.

Drifter50

I don`t get whats going on here. If company X supplied furniture to a school and did`nt get paid, they are entitled to remove it if they have retention of title on their invoice or contract. End of

Why the Gardai are involved I don`t follow.

One thing is for sure though, if that furniture is touched or used, then a lawsuit will follow. No-one is walking away from a €250k debt.

Those schools cannot open, no way

Stanford

Who mentioned Gardai?

gctest50

mariaalice wrote: »

If privatisation is the cure for all economic ills and the cure for the health services etc, how come subcontractors are protesting outside school because they haven't been paid, is there not suppose to be all up's and no down with privatisation.

The company collapsed

Work on the five schools stopped last January after UK construction company Carillion collapsed.

The Irish company Carillion had subcontracted the work to, Sammon Construction, has since gone into liquidation, leaving an unknown number of subcontractors beneath them owed significant sums of money.

They had 43,000 employees, that'd be a bit more important that a bit of fence and a few chairs




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dotsman

Not quite sure what privatisation has to do with the topic.

Op, are you sure understand what privitisation means? And who describes it as the "cure for all economic ills" and that it is "all ups and no downs"?

dotsman

dotsman wrote: »

Not quite sure what privatisation has to do with the topic.

Op, are you sure understand what privitisation means? And who describes it as the "cure for all economic ills" and that it is "all ups and no downs"?

It was built by a public-private partnership.

dotsman

mariaalice wrote: »

It was built by a public-private partnership.

Yes, but I'm still not sure where you are connecting the protest to privatisation.

"Privatisation" is a phrase typically used in conjunction with the economic principles of the free market, and that, by and large, the free market is far superior in terms of efficiency, quality and cost to large monopolies, oligopolies and cartels. On that basis, the default position for a particular service should be "free-market". However, any economist worth their salt knows there are exceptions to every rule. Thus, the term "privatisation" is usually bandied about when discussing whether a particular service, currently run by a government department would be more efficient/cheaper/better if it was privatised and competition allowed. Aerlingus, Telecom Eireann etc are perfect examples of this.

The story you are referring to is a company going bankrupt and some sub-contractors not getting paid. This occurs quite regularly and has nothing to do with private/public ownership (unless you are suggesting that all construction should be run the civil service ???)

Atoms for Peace

The OPW should be building schools by hiring the subbies directly. These semi state scams seem to involve handing out lucrative contracts to pyramid schemes.

marno21

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The OPW should be building schools by hiring the subbies directly. These semi state scams seem to involve handing out lucrative contracts to pyramid schemes.

A lot of these PPPs were progressed over the last few years to keep capital projects and their respective borrowing requirements off the country's balance sheet due to imposed spending rules.

Whether they are value for money is up for debate

L.Jenkins

About €145,000 wasn't paid by the main contracting companies before they folded. They're entitled to their money and unfortunately they can't demolish the buildings they put up to recoup some money.

So the question is, who pays them?

Atoms for Peace

The original robocop I'm afraid was spot on in its satirical depiction of the future with regards to privatisation of public services.

Del2005

mariaalice wrote: »

If privatisation is the cure for all economic ills and the cure for the health services etc, how come subcontractors are protesting outside school because they haven't been paid, is there not suppose to be all up's and no down with privatisation.

No there will be downs along with ups and with privatisation companies that aren't efficient will collapse, which is unfortunately what happen here.


But if we didn't have a private company to collapse then public money, your and my taxes!!, would just continue to be poured into the project like our HSE.... That's why private is good.

Capt'n Midnight

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The original robocop I'm afraid was spot on in its satirical depiction of the future with regards to privatisation of public services.

ED 209 had political views ?

Amazing.

Ipso

Atoms for Peace wrote: »

The original robocop I'm afraid was spot on in its satirical depiction of the future with regards to privatisation of public services.

Maybe the upcoming remake can focus on the HSE to show how the gubbmint can do better than the private overlords.

Ipso

Ipso wrote: »

Maybe the upcoming remake can focus on the HSE to show how the gubbmint can do better than the private overlords.

Have you heard of not for profit organisations that are neither public or private?

Ipso

mariaalice wrote: »

Have you heard of not for profit organisations that are neither public or private?

I have and I have no problem with that and I believe health care shoyld be available to people withiut having to go private. But it has to work efficiently, Ireland doesn’t have agood track record of quality public services.
Want to silence the privatisation, make public work and hold people accountable.