Ryanair Depressurisation

Noxegon

Surprised nobody has picked this up here yet:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dozens-hospitalised-after-ryanair-flight-from-dublin-makes-emergency-landing-1.3565426

Fattes

2,500 flight movements daily, officially one of the safest airlines in the world. These things happen when you have 435 aircraft in the air every day

donalh087

On the news at lunchtime - sounded horrific.

Mrcaramelchoc

Fattes wrote: »

2,500 flight movements daily, officially one of the safest airlines in the world. These things happen when you have 435 aircraft in the air every day

That doesn't excuse it.there still has to be an investigation.what if the same problem is waiting to happen in similar aircraft that they have or Any airline has for that matter.

Irish Steve

It was mentioned in the FR24 thread last night, and a link to RTE put up as well.

Given the way that some media sources exaggerate things, I tend to wait to see a post on AVHerald before getting too concerned about incidents such as this.

Hitman3000

Terrible for all concerned but as said above RA have a great safety record. These things happen.

IE 222

People more concerned about meal vouchers and hotel accommodation by the sounds of things. At least they got on the ground safely to complain about the aftercare.

Fattes

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

That doesn't excuse it.there still has to be an investigation.what if the same problem is waiting to happen in similar aircraft that they have or Any airline has for that matter.

??! Strange response, of course there will be an investigation and internal MRO. Currently ryanair are probably going over the aircraft with a fine tooth comb to figure out what happened.

Every day across the world airlines have incidents like this, Basic law of averages in aviation Ryanair are far above the average safety curve

Stanford

Serious loss of cabin pressure is a frightening event at the best of times, however the crew seemed to follow SOP by deploying the oxygen masks and descending to a more breathable flight level and landed safely, this would likely have caused the ear pressure and nausea suffered by passengers.

However when flying over Europe crew has many alternate airports to land at. If this was a Ryanair flight over the Atlantic then serious questions arise..

NIMAN

30 had to go to hospital.

Claim city, here we come.

ger664

IE 222 wrote: »

People more concerned about meal vouchers and hotel accommodation by the sounds of things. At least they got on the ground safely to complain about the aftercare.

Saw that in the Journal as well. Crazy expectations, they got to the ground without any loss of life anything thereafter in this situation is a bonus.

Snotty

Stanford wrote: »

. If this was a Ryanair flight over the Atlantic then serious questions arise..

What a silly statement, what questions?
It's the exact same procedure only the nearest airport is further away

Squatter

Noxegon wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dozens-hospitalised-after-ryanair-flight-from-dublin-makes-emergency-landing-1.3565426

Last line of that report reads "When it was put to Ryanair that German police said 33 people had been taken to hospital the airline said they would not comment any further."

I wonder what further comment the journo was expecting from Ryanair? She was probably hoping for a couple of broken limbs so her headline could be sexed up a bit more!

Storm 10

They said the crew were excellent but at the Airport very little help, did they expect people to be waiting there to look after them, It was an emergency diversion and no one would have been expecting them .

Stanford

Only 33 out of 189 passengers sought treatment...................?

Squatter

Stanford wrote: »

Serious loss of cabin pressure is a frightening event at the best of times, however the crew seemed to follow SOP by deploying the oxygen masks and descending to a more breathable flight level and landed safely, this would likely have caused the ear pressure and nausea suffered by passengers.

However when flying over Europe crew has many alternate airports to land at. If this was a Ryanair flight over the Atlantic then serious questions arise..

I presume that if it happened to any Boeing 737-8AS flight being flown over the Atlantic by any airline, serious questions would arise.

Stanford

Snotty wrote: »

What a silly statement, what questions?
It's the exact same procedure only the nearest airport is further away

True but my point was because of the proximity of alternate airports the crew could divert and land quickly, depressurising over the Atlantic and possibly flying through bad weather with the nearest alternate 3 hours away with injured passengers prolongs the emergency

Squatter

Stanford wrote: »

Only 33 out of 189 passengers sought treatment...................?

Shocking really - the media must be gutted that so many passengers managed to endure such a potentially serious event without needing hospital treatment.

Although hopefully Joe Duffy will be able to dig up a traumatised passenger or two for his audience's delectation next Monday!

In passing, may I congratulate the aircrew for coping with the situation so professionally.

Squatter

Updated story in the Irish Times:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/hospitalised-ryanair-passengers-must-take-18-hour-bus-to-croatia-after-emergency-1.3565479

faceman

Squatter wrote:

Updated story in the Irish Times:

What a cock headline. Alluding to foul play by FR. Burst ear drums and flying do not mix so ground transportation is a sensible option given the circumstances.

Squatter

faceman wrote: »

What a cock headline. Alluding to foul play by FR. Burst ear drums and flying do not mix so ground transportation is a sensible option given the circumstances.

Reading the second half of that report, I reckon that the Irish Times has found the ideal candidate for Monday's Liveline!

killbillvol2

Squatter wrote: »

Reading the second half of that report, I reckon that the Irish Times has found the ideal candidate for Monday's Liveline!

Absolutely. Where did he expect Ryanair staff to appear from?

EchoIndia

Squatter wrote: »

Reading the second half of that report, I reckon that the Irish Times has found the ideal candidate for Monday's Liveline!

According to FR24 the aircraft landed at 2321 hrs, i.e. after midnight local time, when HHN would have been in effect closed for the night as far as passenger flights are concerned.

The Irish Times should be able to do better than this type of writing (note gratuitous use of "chaos" when nothing chaotic is then described):

"Mr Brennan described the chaos which ensued when the plane began to lose pressure mid-air.

“Oxygen masks dropped and then about 20 seconds later the pilot made an announcement that he was going to make a controlled descent. Then we descended really, really fast for about 5 minutes. My ears felt like they were going to explode."

john boye

EchoIndia wrote: »

According to FR24 the aircraft landed at 2321 hrs, i.e. after midnight local time, when HHN would have been in effect closed for the night as far as passenger flights are concerned.

The Irish Times should be able to do better than this type of writing (note gratuitous use of "chaos" when nothing chaotic is then described):

"Mr Brennan described the chaos which ensued when the plane began to lose pressure mid-air.

“Oxygen masks dropped and then about 20 seconds later the pilot made an announcement that he was going to make a controlled descent. Then we descended really, really fast for about 5 minutes. My ears felt like they were going to explode."

RTE news has a line from a passenger who said
"Some people were bleeding from the ears and nose. Others were nervous but no one panicked. Not even the babies cried."

Guess that wasn't sexy enough for the IT though. The media coverage after these instances is just hysterical.

tricky D

Stanford wrote: »

True but my point was because of the proximity of alternate airports the crew could divert and land quickly, depressurising over the Atlantic and possibly flying through bad weather with the nearest alternate 3 hours away with injured passengers prolongs the emergency

Ryanair planes don't fly any where near 3 hours out into the Atlantic. The furthest they go is about an hour and a half over the Bay o Biscay.

Irish Steve

Stanford wrote: »

True but my point was because of the proximity of alternate airports the crew could divert and land quickly, depressurising over the Atlantic and possibly flying through bad weather with the nearest alternate 3 hours away with injured passengers prolongs the emergency

That will be true of any aircraft that has 3 hour ETOPS clearance, and for any airline that operates with those certifications.

In the scenario of an engine failure in the mixture, that 3 hours could be longer due to the reduced performance on one engine.

There are very few routes on the Atlantic that are that far from an alternate airport, though the subtle differentiation between nearest "available" and nearest "suitable" can make for interesting reading when looking back over the reports.

Personally and I’m not really sure if anyone else agrees with me but I’d rather be alive with a few Bits bleeding than being sent home in a coffin. Hey that’s just me.

Well done to the crew for responding and acting correctly.

Squatter

EchoIndia wrote: »

According to FR24 the aircraft landed at 2321 hrs, i.e. after midnight local time, when HHN would have been in effect closed for the night as far as passenger flights are concerned.

The Irish Times should be able to do better than this type of writing (note gratuitous use of "chaos" when nothing chaotic is then described):

"Mr Brennan described the chaos which ensued when the plane began to lose pressure mid-air.

“Oxygen masks dropped and then about 20 seconds later the pilot made an announcement that he was going to make a controlled descent. Then we descended really, really fast for about 5 minutes. My ears felt like they were going to explode."

In fairness, it takes talent and creativity to turn a good news story into a sensationalist one! I suspect that the duty journo concerned is hoping for a career in one of the tabloids when she has completed her IT internship!

Under His Eye

Why did they pick Hahn when they would be better choices available such as FRA?

HTCOne

Under His Eye wrote: »

Why did they pick Hahn when they would be better choices available such as FRA?

Maybe it was closer. Get medical attention to the passengers sooner and potentially an undiagnosed airframe integrity issue meaning they wanted to get the aircraft on the ground ASAP. Was it an outflow valve issue or something more serious?

Other less serious considerations, maybe they have maintenance in Hahn but not in Frankfurt, it was after curfew in FRA so not many people around to look after pax.

Stanford

tricky D wrote: »

Ryanair planes don't fly any where near 3 hours out into the Atlantic. The furthest they go is about an hour and a half over the Bay o Biscay.

I am aware of that, my post did say " If this was a Ryanair flight over the Atlantic"

Noxegon

Noxegon wrote: »

Surprised nobody has picked this up here yet:
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/dozens-hospitalised-after-ryanair-flight-from-dublin-makes-emergency-landing-1.3565426

What a username OP! It's almost as impressive as the response from Ryanair's crew in this emergency situation.

I've flown quite a bit over the last 6 weeks, and can only imagine the fear which would ensue if I saw those oxygen masks suddenly pop down.

To come out with my life at the end of such an experience, I'd honestly be delighted and thankful to get the chance to sleep on the floor of an airport in the aftermath.

The plane diverted to Frankfurt Hahn? Not a surprise then at the lack of accommodation for the affected passengers, Hahn is not surrounded by hotels like most city airports and is in a relatively remote location.

I have more flights coming up in the next week, some with Ryanair. This kind of incident doesn't put me off. If anything, it is assuring to see that the crew were able to handle this situation impeccably and get everyone out alive and well.

Well done Ryanair crew.

Stanford

Deleted User wrote: »

What a username OP! It's almost as impressive as the response from Ryanair's crew in this emergency situation.

I've flown quite a bit over the last 6 weeks, and can only imagine the fear which would ensue if I saw those oxygen masks suddenly pop down.

To come out with my life at the end of such an experience, I'd honestly be delighted and thankful to get the chance to sleep on the floor of an airport in the aftermath.

The plane diverted to Frankfurt Hahn? Not a surprise then at the lack of accommodation for the affected passengers, Hahn is not surrounded by hotels like most city airports and is in a relatively remote location.

I have more flights coming up in the next week, some with Ryanair. This kind of incident doesn't put me off. If anything, it is assuring to see that the crew were able to handle this situation impeccably and get everyone out alive and well.

Well done Ryanair crew.

True, the flight crew's first responsibility is to get the aircraft and passengers on the ground safely which they did, everything else is secondary to that

dudara

Once you’re in the plane cabin and flying, you have zero control as a passenger. Youre truly in the hands of the crew. I’ve often found myself bouncing around in turbulence and my biggest concern is trying to get my wine glass safely to my mouth without spilling. I have to trust in the pilots and the crew and the integrity of the aircraft in those situations.

Well done to the crew, at first reading it sounds like procedure was followed and everyone walked out relatively unharmed.

IE 222

ger664 wrote: »

Saw that in the Journal as well. Crazy expectations, they got to the ground without any loss of life anything thereafter in this situation is a bonus.

Supposedly it was 11pm local time on a Friday night in a major city and airline transfer hub in the middle of the summer peak season. Some people are just unrealistic in their expectations. Maybe it's best they remain clueless as to the seriousness of what happened or they'll be all claiming for damages to their mental health and will never be able to fly again.

kevinandrew

Sounds like the crew did a good job and the airline itself did the best it could in the situation.


Seen and heard of plenty decompressions before but never seen people bleeding from their ears and nose, the photo of the oxegen mask filled with blood is horrible! Must have been terrifying.


The media response is uncalled for, they love to dramatise everything when it comes to aviation. Ryanair is also guilty of playing the media over the years, thriving off the gossip and rumours that float around the airline so it’s a two way street in a way.

Mrcaramelchoc

Fattes wrote: »

??! Strange response, of course there will be an investigation and internal MRO. Currently ryanair are probably going over the aircraft with a fine tooth comb to figure out what happened.

Every day across the world airlines have incidents like this, Basic law of averages in aviation Ryanair are far above the average safety curve

Well let me explain my response.I just found your reply very blase as if you didn't really give Any thought to the people on board.people got very sick and dozens were hospitalized from that flight because of this.
To say it happens every day is quite frankly a very clinical thing to say.

Fattes

Mrcaramelchoc wrote: »

Well let me explain my response.I just found your reply very blase as if you didn't really give Any thought to the people on board.people got very sick and dozens were hospitalized from that flight because of this.
To say it happens every day is quite frankly a very clinical thing to say.

No it's a reality, every day dozens of flights experience tech issues, be it depresurizarion, engine difficulty, landing gear or things Joe public would never know about.

190 odd people on board 20-35 hospitalised, some minor injures some not minor, but none life threatinging or changing for the individuals concerned.

Media & Individuals dramatising and blowing the incident out of proportion

Charles Babbage

IE 222 wrote: »

Supposedly it was 11pm local time on a Friday night in a major city and airline transfer hub in the middle of the summer peak season. Some people are just unrealistic in their expectations. Maybe it's best they remain clueless as to the seriousness of what happened or they'll be all claiming for damages to their mental health and will never be able to fly again.

Airlines could have an insurance policy that would mobilise non airline specific resources for what are uncommon incidents. Perhaps airports should have such a thing that would trigger for any emergency diversion.

Davidth88

Few things strike me ....

A ... this is why you listen to the safety briefing
B.... looks like it was handled well by crew
C... landed at hahn I assume because this was a FR base ... it a an old I usaf base on top of a hill in the middle of a huge forest ... ie in the middle of nowhere.

All in all bit of a non story.

GreyEagle

dudara wrote: »

I’ve often found myself bouncing around in turbulence and my biggest concern is trying to get my wine glass safely to my mouth without spilling.

Tip: Hold your glass above the traytable and try not to rest your elbow on the arm rest. Your glass will "float" without any spillage. Sip as required.

CeilingFly

NIMAN wrote: »

30 had to go to hospital.

Claim city, here we come.

Last count, 1285 passengers were on board.

CeilingFly

Stanford wrote: »

I am aware of that, my post did say " If this was a Ryanair flight over the Atlantic"

I was on an aer lingus flight a few years ago that had to do an emergency landing in winnipeg.

Landing gear had issues, Passengers were in air for two hours knowing the problem. We were told to expect the worse, plane may land without aid of landing gear. All emergency vehicles were out waiting. Heads between the legs.

Plane landed safely.

Not an iota of a word about it on the news.

Nonoperational

As serious incidents go, depressurisation is one of the more common. Crew appeared to have done well and no serious injuries. They did what they were trained to do.

Damien360

Can I ask the people who operate as crew here, why would there be blood pictured in a oxygen mask from that flight. Unless there is a pre-existing condition I can't see why it would be there.

I can imagine the pain of ears from depressurisation would be incredible as I once had a serious cold on a flight and the pain in my ears from Switzerland to Dublin was immense. Aftermath lasted 2 weeks. I wouldn't expect blood as it would be inner eardrum burst (is that possible ? )

Shpud2

Damien360 wrote: »

Can I ask the people who operate as crew here, why would there be blood pictured in a oxygen mask from that flight. Unless there is a pre-existing condition I can't see why it would be there.

I can imagine the pain of ears from depressurisation would be incredible as I once had a serious cold on a flight and the pain in my ears from Switzerland to Dublin was immense. Aftermath lasted 2 weeks. I wouldn't expect blood as it would be inner eardrum burst (is that possible ? )

I'm in no way qualified to answer this and am only guessing but could it be a nosebleed from the pressure change?

L1011

I'd almost certainly have a nose bleed under those conditions, that would be inside the mask

vectorvictor

Damien360 wrote: »

Can I ask the people who operate as crew here, why would there be blood pictured in a oxygen mask from that flight. Unless there is a pre-existing condition I can't see why it would be there.

Nose bleed

Under His Eye

http://avherald.com/h?article=4bb20f20&opt=0

Reported bleeding from ears. :eek:

IE 222

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Airlines could have an insurance policy that would mobilise non airline specific resources for what are uncommon incidents. Perhaps airports should have such a thing that would trigger for any emergency diversion.

What do you mean, have teams of people or hotel rooms all around Europe on standby just on the of chance.

People need to get off their high horses and apply some common sense into their lives.

Under His Eye

Of course there were no hotels, they landed in Hahn.