AGS buying cheap cars.

Grab All Association

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Bad enough it’s a sluggish/slow diesel Mondeo but hubcaps/steel wheels on a roads policing car?

Who ever purchased that vehicle should be the one arrested.

The 2.3/2.5l petrol versions of this car would give most of the diesel BMW and Audi’s used by the criminals a run for their money.

mloc123

Grab All Association wrote: »

🀦*♀️

Bad enough it’s a sluggish/slow diesel Mondeo but hubcaps/steel wheels on a roads policing car?

Who ever purchased that vehicle should be the one arrested.

The 2.3/2.5l petrol versions of this car would give most of the diesel BMW and Audi’s used by the criminals a run for their money.

Perhaps the purpose of the vehicle is not for high speed chase? Have you considered that maybe it isn't a one size fits all when they buy cars?

The high horse brigade

What's even worse is that they changed from Ford to Hyundai

GustavoFring

Don't see steel wheels impacting anything if the tyres are up for it.

Isn't that a 200PS Mondeo? Seems adequate for a roads policing car.

PixelTrawler

What benefit would expensive alloys make to a car that’s probably going to have a hard life and the alloys would be in bits?

Grab All Association

mloc123 wrote: »

Perhaps the purpose of the vehicle is not for high speed chase? Have you considered that maybe it isn't a one size fits all when they buy cars?

This was involved iirc in a chase in Borrisoleigh back in March. Have a photo of it somewhere. It had traffic Corp livery then.

Wasn’t as embarrassing as the Hyundai that came struggling behind it to be fair.

mickdw

Firstly, not all traffic cars are for high speed chases so there is no point buying all high performance cars but that cars is 200 bhp which is quite reasonable to be fair.

Dravokivich

What exactly is the problem OP?

colm_mcm

The high horse brigade wrote: »

What's even worse is that they changed from Ford to Hyundai

I wouldn’t really agree with you there. What has basically happened is cars have evolved. If the Gardai were rocking 1.5 TDCI Mondeos they would be comparable to the i40. The model the Gardai get is the basic version of the engine, there is a 139bhp version too but they didn’t spec it.

colm_mcm

How much of Garda time do you think is spent chasing joyriders in M3s though,
To be fair they have a few higher power cars, they got 20 195bhp Insignas a few years ago.

The high horse brigade

colm_mcm wrote: »

How much of Garda time do you think is spent chasing joyriders in M3s though,
To be fair they have a few higher power cars, they got 20 195bhp Insignas a few years ago.

If they have sirens and flashing lights they should be expected to be fast and high performance like they are in other countries. They could be called to a situation at any time

colm_mcm

The high horse brigade wrote: »

If they have sirens and flashing lights they should be expected to be fast and high performance like they are in other countries. They could be called to a situation at any time

All of them?

If they do manage to catch them, it’s very unlikely that they’ll go to jail.

The high horse brigade

colm_mcm wrote: »

All of them?

There should be a decent base line. We have a long habit of skimping out on Fiesta vans and other crap

colm_mcm

You know that in the UK they use Hyundai’s too?

Everything has a cost, even though the BMWs would be heavily discounted, they cost an awful lot more to maintain.

The high horse brigade wrote: »

There should be a decent base line. We have a long habit of skimping out on Fiesta vans and other crap

UK police use Corsas and Fiestas too.


If anything we need more cars rather than better cars.

lawred2

Grab All Association wrote: »

🀦*♀️

Bad enough it’s a sluggish/slow diesel Mondeo but hubcaps/steel wheels on a roads policing car?

Who ever purchased that vehicle should be the one arrested.

The 2.3/2.5l petrol versions of this car would give most of the diesel BMW and Audi’s used by the criminals a run for their money.

Is there a performance impact running with steel wheels?

If not, I can't see why anyone would give two shoites about the guards driving a car with hubcaps

gctest50

Why wreck a good car chasing someone in a stolen car ?
Cars have evolved as someone pointed out so speeds are much higher

They have helicopters, use them :

Chiparus

Police chases should be banned. Thousands of innocent people killed worldwide.

khaldrogo

The maintenance bill would be on par with NASAs budget if we had a fleet of BMW scrap

punisher5112

UK use to be big on Volvo's as they are some serious sleeper machines.

They use Opel/Vauxhall and likes of Hyundai for their panda cars.

They have some really serious machines for specialist units.

Always loved watching road wars and their Vauxhall omegas and then the other series with impreza and Evo etc.

Up north they have golf r's and some other serious kit.

lawred2

Handy for them that those are German manufacturers

Taxis in Germany are all e class mercs too

Wonder why that is..

Victor Meldrew

Had to get out of the way of an unmarked i40 a while back, so I accelerated into a gap in the slow lane. The i40 took a fair while to pass me out..

Accept that cop cars don't need to be very fast, but 170bhp for diesels should be a minimum to be reasonably quick. That's an old 320d...

You need sub 9 seconds to be able to make progress....

Fann Linn

I can't remember the last time I saw a police car speeding or showing blue lights.

Down here they're normally stuck in a verge or layby with the cop hanging over the roof with the 'speed gun'.

punisher5112

Sirens on the Q7 and beemers are shockingly low.
Very difficult to hear or tell direction they are coming from.

Sirens on mark 3 mondeos probably one of the best we ever had ....

mikeecho

Victor Meldrew wrote: »

Had to get out of the way of an unmarked i40 a while back, so I accelerated into a gap in the slow lane. The i40 took a fair while to pass me out..

Accept that cop cars don't need to be very fast, but 170bhp for diesels should be a minimum to be reasonably quick. That's an old 320d...

You need sub 9 seconds to be able to make progress....

The garda i40's are the 115bhp versions

mikeecho

punisher5112 wrote: »

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Sirens on mark 3 mondeos probably one of the best we ever had ....

The 1.8 petrol mk3 mondeo was one of the best regular petrol cars we've had here.
Comfy, good handling, cornering, acceleration and braking.. not forgetting, incredibly reliable.

punisher5112

mikeecho wrote: »

The 1.8 petrol mk3 mondeo was one of the best regular petrol cars we've had here.
Comfy, good handling, cornering, acceleration and braking.. not forgetting, incredibly reliable.

2.0lx drove a few some quick for what they were without a turbo.

Toyotafanboi

It must be a good month now since we've had a "give the Gardai all 530d's" thread. I was worrying we weren't going to have another one.

I'd love to see the figures or running a full fleet of 530d's versus i40s in terms of purchase price, maintenance, repairs and fuel consumption. Then we could have people come on here to say the boom is back in force, that the government is spunking our money away on a premium Garda fleet, a fleet that can't even be fully utilised.

Toyotafanboi

mikeecho wrote: »

The 1.8 petrol mk3 mondeo was ... incredibly reliable.

Ah, now, let's be realistic for a minute!

ba_barabus

The original Mondeo posted by the OP is far more powerful than it looks

Steel wheels are fitted as they're not as delicate as alloys are when they've to drive flat out over potholes around Nenagh.

I suspect OPs motoring knowledge isn't as high as they think as that's a 2.2 200hp Mondeo.

Grab All Association

ba_barabus wrote: »

The original Mondeo posted by the OP is far more powerful than it looks

Steel wheels are fitted as they're not as delicate as alloys are when they've to drive flat out over potholes around Nenagh.

I suspect OPs motoring knowledge isn't as high as they think.

It’s a 2.2litre Diesel. Like everything in this country it’s just a glorified tractor compared to what the criminal element of this country uses. The car to my knowledge never sees action outside of the Thurles area. Mainly used on the M8 motorway.

There is or was a similar 12-D mondeo in Nenagh surprisingly with alloys.

punisher5112

ba_barabus wrote: »

The original Mondeo posted by the OP is far more powerful than it looks

Steel wheels are fitted as they're not as delicate as alloys are when they've to drive flat out over potholes around Nenagh.

I suspect OPs motoring knowledge isn't as high as they think as that's a 2.2 200hp Mondeo.

It can be a little misleading though as you would expect it to have the wheels.

It's only since the Hyundai i30 1st came with the alloys then it was found they were too soft and cracking quite often.
Also the i30 are very low and can't fit the anpr system.

ba_barabus

Grab All Association wrote: »

It’s a 2.2litre Diesel. Like everything in this country it’s just a glorified tractor compared to what the criminal element of this country uses. The car to my knowledge never sees action outside of the Thurles area. Mainly used on the M8 motorway.

There is or was a similar 12-D mondeo in Nenagh surprisingly with alloys.

What would you suggest they use OP?

To be fair the Gardai have horrible budgets to work with but they do have some powerful cars which they tend to use strategically. A 200hp Mondeo in the right hands being used on the motorway or in a chase around Borisoleigh isn't a coincidence.

A few years back the Gardai bought some Audi and BMW for special units and the collective whine from the public would have defended most people.

Most Garda activities are pretty mundane and administrative and that's where the Hyundai i30 and i40 get used.

I remember working with a detective in Donnybrook a number of years back who reckoned the best car they had in the station was a Hyundai Accent, nobody ever spotted the thing coming until they were nabbed

punisher5112

Reminds me of the puntos and old Laguna etc they had till very recent.

ba_barabus

punisher5112 wrote: »

Reminds me of the puntos and old Laguna etc they had till very recent.

Every police force has them. Proton in use up until recently in the UK, Smarts driven by the NYPD, Hyundai all over Scotland

_Kaiser_

I think some posters here are watching too many US cop shows with high speed chases.

AGS don't need a fleet of BMWs (far better choices anyway) - they need proper training, communications and integrated pursuits if they need to intercept someone. The i40's are perfectly fine for your average traffic stop (which are usually only at speed if they're chasing someone for speeding on a motorway).

Given the piss-poor standard of driving generally, and the freeze/drop anchor approach adopted by many drivers whenever they see a squad car (which much drive AGS mad in fairness), I can imagine a lot more accidents if scum started stealing faster cars to race them on the roads.

DaveyDave

gctest50 wrote: »

Why wreck a good car chasing someone in a stolen car ?
Cars have evolved as someone pointed out so speeds are much higher

They have helicopters, use them

They do, on a regular basis. I live on the Clondalkin/Neilstown side of Lucan and have the pleasure of hearing them flying around on a weekly basis. Some for long periods of time.

I'd rather more cars and foot patrols. Keep in mind the Gardai, while driving modestly powered cars, still have the advantage of sirens. They get places a lot quicker than any of us would in an i40.

ba_barabus

DaveyDave wrote: »

They get places a lot quicker than any of us would in an i40.

Ever drive a rental?

Grab All Association

ba_barabus wrote: »

What would you suggest they use OP?

To be fair the Gardai have horrible budgets to work with but they do have some powerful cars which they tend to use strategically. A 200hp Mondeo in the right hands being used on the motorway or in a chase around Borisoleigh isn't a coincidence.

A few years back the Gardai bought some Audi and BMW for special units and the collective whine from the public would have defended most people.

Most Garda activities are pretty mundane and administrative and that's where the Hyundai i30 and i40 get used.

I remember working with a detective in Donnybrook a number of years back who reckoned the best car they had in the station was a Hyundai Accent, nobody ever spotted the thing coming until they were nabbed

Lancers, more BMWs, petrol Mondeos. At least something that wouldn’t be left for dust. More helicopters too are needed.

Btw I’m only talking about roads policing here. Hyundai, Focus, etc are sufficient for most garda duties. There was a chase in Nenagh back in 2014 in a TC/RP Hyundai. It broke down near Silver street. A Ford Galaxy (said something like accident investigation on the side) had to come up and pick the two red faced Garda up. The scumbags in the town were laughing and jeering.

It must be disheartening as a Garda to be committed to your job yet left looking the fool thanks to the Irish government penny pinching.

It’s an area where the minister of justice (Shatter wasn’t it?) or DOJ should have no say/interference.

Bigus

The Garda also have a precedent going back to the founding of the state of using modest enough cars , so as not alienate themselves from the masses . It would be rubbing people's noses in it , if they were going into council estates in fancy motors .

ARU dont have to comply with this as they are rightly seen as special , hence the special cars .

I tend to agree with this Irish policy and let the brits show off in their BMWs Jags Volvos etc, I remember seeing a marked RS escort cosworth in a run down part of Newcastle back in the 90s , ridiculous show boating imho.

Grab All Association

Bigus wrote: »

The Garda also have a precedent going back to the founding of the state of using modest enough cars , so as not alienate themselves from the masses . It would be rubbing people's noses in it , if they were going into council estates in fancy motors .

ARU dont have to comply with this as they are rightly seen as special , hence the special cars .

I tend to agree with this Irish policy and let the brits show off in their BMWs Jags Volvos etc, I remember seeing a marked RS escort cosworth in a run down part of Newcastle back in the 90s , ridiculous show boating imho.

Trust me those council estates have a lot of motors most decent law abiding people can only dream of.

I live up the road from a council estate. The c nts that stole the oil from my tank are on social welfare and have a 2015 Audi. ARS were raiding them last year.

ba_barabus

Grab All Association wrote: »

Lancers, more BMWs, petrol Mondeos. At least something that wouldn’t be left for dust. More helicopters too are needed.

Btw I’m only talking about roads policing here. Hyundai, Focus, etc are sufficient for most garda duties. There was a chase in Nenagh back in 2014 in a TC/RP Hyundai. It broke down near Silver street. A Ford Galaxy (said something like accident investigation on the side) had to come up and pick the two red faced Garda up. The scumbags in the town were laughing and jeering.

It must be disheartening as a Garda to be committed to your job yet left looking the fool thanks to the Irish government penny pinching.

It’s an area where the minister of justice (Shatter wasn’t it?) or DOJ should have no say/interference.

Absolutely disheartening but the country was on its knees and isn't far off going That way again with Brexit. There is still barely ebough money to upgrade the fleet. At least they listen to the Gardai and stopped buying the Avensis

bazz26

If the AGS spend millions of taxpayers money on high performance cars then we would have whingers on here moaning about how taxpayers money would be much better spend on housing or the public health service. I honestly think some people just want to moan.

Vicxas

Some people will never be happy, we'd give all the Gardai 520D's or something high enough powered.

Then one day they'll be left for dead on the M1 by a Porsche or some such and then people will be calling for the Gardai to have them too.

The Hyundai's were bought because they're cheap and easy to repair/maintain.

Titzon Toast

mikeecho wrote: »

The 1.8 petrol mk3 mondeo was one of the best regular petrol cars we've had here.
Comfy, good handling, cornering, acceleration and braking.. not forgetting, incredibly reliable.

They were bags of scrap. That 1.8 burned as much oil as it did petrol.
They were also very fond of eating their swirl flaps too.

Grab All Association

Hyundai and Kia are cars for type of people who have given up in life

vandriver

An unmarked 530d passed me this morning.

grogi

Grab All Association wrote: »

Hyundai and Kia are cars for type of people who have given up in life

That's what you need to remind yourself while being passed aby a Stinger?

Vicxas

grogi wrote: »

That's what you need to remind yourself while being passed aby a Stinger?

Or an i30N

punisher5112

Vicxas wrote: »

Or an i30N

One passed me the other day, the crackle off the exhaust..... Nice

tcawley29

Grab All Association wrote: »

Hyundai and Kia are cars for type of people who have given up in life

In fairness I enjoyed the Kia C'eed I had. Wasn't the worst of cars.

colm_mcm

Grab All Association wrote: »

Hyundai and Kia are cars for type of people who have given up in life

That means BMW drivers are living the dream or something?