Bus madness at Blanchardstown Center and village

AlanG

Under the more detailed Bus Connect plan there is going to be loads more buses going into the blanchardstown center even though it seems the center cannot handle the traffic it currently has.
See map 2 at https://www.busconnects.ie/initiatives/dublin-area-bus-network-redesign-public-consultation-report/

For example users from springlawn, roselawn Glenville etc will now be expected to get a bus out to the Blanch Center before getting one into town. On their way home they will have to get a bus past the village and to the transfer point at the center where they will have to wait 15 mins for a 261 bus to take them another 10 mins back to the clonsilla road. From Mid November to the end of December getting in and out of the center can easily add another half hour to this.
It seems destined to failure without major engineering works and there is no proposal for such works.
A stop accessible on the N3 near the Snugbourough road would server all of waterville and an interchange near the hospital onto the B route would make a lot of sense but neither are planned.

Caranica

Public consultation opens on the 16th and I'm chomping at the bit to give them my feedback. I live in Waterville and we already have a rubbish bus service and this is going to make things do much worse. Ridiculous :mad:

LionelNashe

AlanG wrote: »

Under the more detailed Bus Connect plan there is going to be loads more buses going into the blanchardstown center even though it seems the center cannot handle the traffic it currently has.
See map 2 at https://www.busconnects.ie/initiatives/dublin-area-bus-network-redesign-public-consultation-report/

For example users from springlawn, roselawn Glenville etc will now be expected to get a bus out to the Blanch Center before getting one into town. On their way home they will have to get a bus past the village and to the transfer point at the center where they will have to wait 15 mins for a 261 bus to take them another 10 mins back to the clonsilla road. From Mid November to the end of December getting in and out of the center can easily add another half hour to this.
It seems destined to failure without major engineering works and there is no proposal for such works.
A stop accessible on the N3 near the Snugbourough road would server all of waterville and an interchange near the hospital onto the B route would make a lot of sense but neither are planned.

Rather than going to the shopping centre on the 261, won't they also have the option to take it in the opposite direction to where it crosses the Navan Road, to catch the B1 or B2 into town?

firebird84

LionelNashe wrote: »

Rather than going to the shopping centre on the 261, won't they also have the option to take it in the opposite direction to where it crosses the Navan Road, to catch the B1 or B2 into town?

It's not clear if the 261 is a loop or goes both ways from what I saw on Roderic O'Gorman's FB. Also by the time the buses get to the navan road I imagine they'd be fairly packed with commuters from the centre. I can see this plan resulting in the trains being busier when they are totally packed at peak times as it is.

AlanG

The earlier maps of the B corridor showed it staying on the main N3 and not going up by the hospital , you can see from the map that the 261 runs parallel to the B corridor at the hospital - if the B buses were to interchange these would have to overlap as the B buses would have to exit the N3 onto the hospital slip and continue past Junction 5 and onto the M50 roundabout. - It does not do this but instead continues on the N3 bypassing the hospital slip and roundabout. Therefore there is no where to have an interchange unless one is built.

If the 261 was not a loop and instead carried on via the B corridor it would have a B classification like the B1 and B2. it is clear form the full proposal document that it is a loop.

PhoenixParker

Any looped bus live known goes both ways on the loop.

AlanG

PhoenixParker wrote: »

Any looped bus live known goes both ways on the loop.

Obviously, but going the other way around the options are even more limited as there is no access from the Blanch village roundabout to the B corridor (N3) going towards town until after you cross the M50 so there can be no interchange unless the B corridor leaves the main road via the hospital exit and this is not what the map shows.
it is clear from the full document that they currently have no provision for an interchange to the east of snugbourough road.

beauf

They've built all the new housing, SC and industrial estates so they all use the same distributor roads.

There is no way to fix that, and not with the mindset of the same people who created it.

L1011

AlanG wrote: »

where they will have to wait 15 mins

Scheduling is going to be arranged to facilitate transfers, and 15mins is a worst case scenario anyway

AlanG wrote: »

It seems destined to failure without major engineering works and there is no proposal for such works.

There is 2bn for infrastructure works and the rough plans were released weeks ago. There WILL be major works where needed.

blanch152

AlanG wrote: »

Obviously, but going the other way around the options are even more limited as there is no access from the Blanch village roundabout to the B corridor (N3) going towards town until after you cross the M50 so there can be no interchange unless the B corridor leaves the main road via the hospital exit and this is not what the map shows.
it is clear from the full document that they currently have no provision for an interchange to the east of snugbourough road.

Correct, and this is the main flaw with the plan. The loop has only one connection point with the B corridor. This won't work.