Civil service pay scale

DG7

When looking at a civil service job advertisement there are numerous salaries mentioned.

How does it work? Do you enter at the lowest and then yur salary increases to the next figure after a certain amount if time? Or could you enter at a higher level dependant on experience and/or qualifications?

€29,026 €31,019 €32,139 €34,024 €35,714 €37,347 €38,974 €40,568 €42,178
€43,744 €45,358 €46,427 €47,948 (LSI1) €49,465 (LSI2)

randomnumber1

DG7 wrote: »

When looking at a civil service job advertisement there are numerous salaries mentioned.

How does it work? Do you enter at the lowest and then yur salary increases to the next figure after a certain amount if time? Or could you enter at a higher level dependant on experience and/or qualifications?

€29,026 €31,019 €32,139 €34,024 €35,714 €37,347 €38,974 €40,568 €42,178
€43,744 €45,358 €46,427 €47,948 (LSI1) €49,465 (LSI2)

New entrants to the civil service start on the lowest point on the scale and then rise to the next figure/increment after each year of service.

slavetothegrind

automatically or based on merit?
Also how do they hire for specific experienced roles with that policy?

august12

slavetothegrind wrote:

automatically or based on merit? Also how do they hire for specific experienced roles with that policy?

Anyone entering from private sector start at lowest point and move up to next point after 12 months, this is automatic but supposed to be based on performance, I have never heard of anyone who didn't get their yearly increment, jobs are advertised on publicjobs.ie, clerical officer is advertised at present, if some one is already working in civil service and applies and is offered a higher grade, then they move on to the nearest point of the new grade,

slavetothegrind

how the feck do they get any experienced people?

bobbysands81

august12 wrote: »

Anyone entering from private sector start at lowest point and move up to next point after 12 months, this is automatic but supposed to be based on performance, I have never heard of anyone who didn't get their yearly increment, jobs are advertised on publicjobs.ie, clerical officer is advertised at present, if some one is already working in civil service and applies and is offered a higher grade, then they move on to the nearest point of the new grade,

Plenty of people get their increments refused, it’s actually quite common.

martingriff

august12 wrote: »

Anyone entering from private sector start at lowest point and move up to next point after 12 months, this is automatic but supposed to be based on performance, I have never heard of anyone who didn't get their yearly increment, jobs are advertised on publicjobs.ie, clerical officer is advertised at present, if some one is already working in civil service and applies and is offered a higher grade, then they move on to the nearest point of the new grade,

Oh it happened not very often. Think they did some survey and a high majority would not give a bad mark as it would reflect badly on them and also union pressure

bobbysands81

martingriff wrote: »

Oh it happened not very often. Think they did some survey and a high majority would not give a bad mark as it would reflect badly on them and also union pressure

Increments get stopped all the time for sick leave and “lates” as well as performance.

Mrs OBumble

slavetothegrind wrote: »

how the feck do they get any experienced people?

They don't - unless the ecperienced people have become unattractive elsewhere in the labour market. That's why there are some issues.

notharrypotter

slavetothegrind wrote: »

how the feck do they get any experienced people?

Define "experienced".

fly_agaric

slavetothegrind wrote: »

how the feck do they get any experienced people?

It is hard but they get some willing to trade off the extra money for work-life balance, job security, intangibles like concept of doing a job that is ultimately supposed to help society (that's the ideal if not always met in practice!!).

Issue is not so relevant to payscale that was posted in OP (think it is "EO" or the "AO" grade, haven't bothered to look it up... and these are kind of a junior management job that is supposedly aimed at someone out of college, so idea would be to get them in quite young + train them up).

martingriff

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Increments get stopped all the time for sick leave and “lates” as well as performance.

Sick & lates yes performance very rarely I work with 1 person who should have no increment for a number of years due to performance and attitude but keep getting it due to be loud and argumenative

Indricotherium

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Plenty of people get their increments refused, it’s actually quite common.

No it's not.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/just-30-civil-servants-fail-assessment-for-pay-rise-1.1068993

belacqua_

Indricotherium wrote: »

No it's not.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/just-30-civil-servants-fail-assessment-for-pay-rise-1.1068993

That’s a six-year old article. It’s not at all unusual for staff to be refused their increment because of poor performance. What happens after the unions and other factors come into play is a different story altogether.

Riggie

I can tell you from personal experience increments can and have been stopped.. no one is guaranteed their increment

Indricotherium

Riggie wrote: »

I can tell you from personal experience increments can and have been stopped.. no one is guaranteed their increment

Aside from non attendance I think they are.

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It's very hard to give someone an unsatisfactory rating for a bad period which may have been a blip and which will effect their careers and prospects of promotion for the rest of their lives.

Indricotherium

belacqua_ wrote: »

That’s a six-year old article. It’s not at all unusual for staff to be refused their increment because of poor performance. What happens after the unions and other factors come into play is a different story altogether.

Here you go so.

https://hr.per.gov.ie/pmds-2016/

99.75% deemed satisfactory in 2016 is that recent enough for you.

You are talking nonsense.

Aside from people who simply don't attend work, only a tiny fraction do not get an increment.

God only knows what that .25% got up to.

if ye were graded on staying on topic ye wouldnt be getting yere increments would ye

bobbysands81

Indricotherium wrote: »

No it's not.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/just-30-civil-servants-fail-assessment-for-pay-rise-1.1068993

That’s 6 years old and only ONE of the reasons people don’t get their increments.

I can tell you honestly that plenty of people get refused increments for a variety of reasons.

bobbysands81

Indricotherium wrote: »

Here you go so.

https://hr.per.gov.ie/pmds-2016/

99.75% deemed satisfactory in 2016 is that recent enough for you.

You are talking nonsense.

Aside from people who simply don't attend work, only a tiny fraction do not get an increment.

God only knows what that .25% got up to.

You’ve contradicted yourself in successive posts.

First you say increments are guaranteed (apart from for non-attendance) and then you produce statistics which prove they’re not.

sryan5966

Can someone explain the last two options? €47,948 (LSI1) €49,465 (LSI2). Are these after years of service?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118746152#Comment_118746152

After the final increment there is a long service Increment 3 years apart