Fake EU Passport

olgalitvinenko

Hi All,

Looking for the advise.

If the person was granted with Irish residence and after the immigration office found out that this person used to live in Ireland 8 years ago illegally and had a fake passport. What to expect? at the moment waiting for the letter from Immigration office.

nuac

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jacksie66

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GarIT

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

Hi All,

Looking for the advise.

If the person was granted with Irish residence and after the immigration office found out that this person used to live in Ireland 8 years ago illegally and had a fake passport. What to expect? at the moment waiting for the letter from Immigration office.

A couple of years in prison before deportation.

fritzelly

GarIT wrote: »

A couple of years in prison before deportation.

Why bother spending money on jail, just deport

You withheld facts from the immigration office so they can rightly revoke your citizenship and deport you - whether they will is another thing
As above a solicitor is what you need who specialises in it and maybe can use good character, valuable member of society reasons for not deporting.

In this day and age when phones have fingerprint and facial scanners why isn't customs more techy to prevent this

GarIT

fritzelly wrote: »

Why bother spending money on jail, just deport

You withheld facts from the immigration office so they can rightly revoke your citizenship and deport you - whether they will is another thing
As above a solicitor is what you need who specialises in it and maybe can use good character, valuable member of society reasons for not deporting.

In this day and age when phones have fingerprint and facial scanners why isn't customs more techy to prevent this

sshhh, I'm trying to scare them into leaving without costing people legitimately in Ireland any more money.

There shouldn't be any reasons not to deport. You're either legal or not, character is irrelevant.

The idea of a prison sentence would be to deter people doing it again.

I would be in support of something cost effective like giving illegal immigrants a good beating before deporting them so they are less likely to do it again and we don't have to pay for them to spend time in prison.

olgalitvinenko

nuac wrote: »

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Consult a solicitor experienced in immigration

Do you know anyone you can recommend, please?

olgalitvinenko

GarIT wrote: »

sshhh, I'm trying to scare them into leaving without costing people legitimately in Ireland any more money.

There shouldn't be any reasons not to deport. You're either legal or not, character is irrelevant.

The idea of a prison sentence would be to deter people doing it again.

I would be in support of something cost effective like giving illegal immigrants a good beating before deporting them so they are less likely to do it again and we don't have to pay for them to spend time in prison.

You can't judge the people if you don't know their story!!!!

troyzer

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

You can't judge the people if you don't know their story!!!!

I wouldn't be one to judge, there can be any number of personal reasons for it. But if it was something really awful you should have applied for asylum. If not, then you're probably going to get deported at best.

olgalitvinenko

troyzer wrote: »

I wouldn't be one to judge, there can be any number of personal reasons for it. But if it was something really awful you should have applied for asylum. If not, then you're probably going to get deported at best.

nothing awful.
long story short.
more than 10 years ago my dad came here to earn money for my education in Ukraine. I actually got a bachelor degree with marks of distinguish. then he left (when the mission was complete ). after few years I had a business trip to ireland. met a guy. fall in love and etc. we have 2 kids. both working, paying taxes. And i've decided to bring my parents here so they can see how their grandchildren growing. just wanted family be together. they were granted with residence. and then BOOM!!! All our dreams ruined!!! My dad is hard working person still healthy and strong. we didn't even think about social or anything like that. We can support them and so on.
i just want my see my parent more often than onces a year. you know what i mean...

Don't know what to do.....

troyzer

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

nothing awful.
long story short.
more than 10 years ago my dad came here to earn money for my education in Ukraine. I actually got a bachelor degree with marks of distinguish. then he left (when the mission was complete ). after few years I had a business trip to ireland. met a guy. fall in love and etc. we have 2 kids. both working, paying taxes. And i've decided to bring my parents here so they can see how their grandchildren growing. just wanted family be together. they were granted with residence. and then BOOM!!! All our dreams ruined!!! My dad is hard working person still healthy and strong. we didn't even think about social or anything like that. We can support them and so on.
i just want my see my parent more often than onces a year. you know what i mean...

Don't know what to do.....

Oh I see, so it's your Dad that can't come? So you and most of your family are fine but because your Dad was working here illegally and he's been found out, you don't think he'll be allowed to stay? Is he already in Ireland?

I'm really sorry, what a crap situation to be in. But I have to agree with everyone else here, it seems unlikely that he'll be cut slack. Having said that, there might be a bit of leeway now with Ukraine having signed the Association agreement with the EU. Maybe that'll make a difference, I have no idea.

olgalitvinenko

troyzer wrote: »

Oh I see, so it's your Dad that can't come? So you and most of your family are fine but because your Dad was working here illegally and he's been found out, you don't think he'll be allowed to stay? Is he already in Ireland?

I'm really sorry, what a crap situation to be in. But I have to agree with everyone else here, it seems unlikely that he'll be cut slack. Having said that, there might be a bit of leeway now with Ukraine having signed the Association agreement with the EU. Maybe that'll make a difference, I have no idea.

yes, he is in Ireland at the moment. We went to get a stamp in his passport but met a garda instead. We are waiting for the letter from immigration office. Don't know what to expect....

troyzer

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

yes, he is in Ireland at the moment. We went to get a stamp in his passport but met a garda instead. We are waiting for the letter from immigration office. Don't know what to expect....

Your best move probably is to seek legal advice from solicitors who specialise in this. I have no idea who to recommend but I'm sure a bit of googling would find someone local enough. It's not something you want to put on the long finger, I'd be proactive and get proper legal advice now when it might make a difference.

troyzer

troyzer wrote: »

Your best move probably is to seek legal advice from solicitors who specialise in this. I have no idea who to recommend but I'm sure a bit of googling would find someone local enough. It's not something you want to put on the long finger, I'd be proactive and get proper legal advice now when it might make a difference.

Give these lads a bell, they'll point you the right way I'd imagine.

https://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/contact

olgalitvinenko

troyzer wrote: »

Give these lads a bell, they'll point you the right way I'd imagine.

https://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/contact

Thank you sooo much!!!!

GarIT

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

nothing awful.
long story short.
more than 10 years ago my dad came here to earn money for my education in Ukraine. I actually
got a bachelor degree with marks of distinguish. then he left (when the mission was complete ). after few years I had a business trip to ireland. met a guy. fall in love and etc. we have 2 kids. both working, paying taxes. And i've decided to bring my parents here so they can see how their grandchildren growing. just wanted family be together. they were granted with residence. and then BOOM!!! All our dreams ruined!!! My dad is hard working person still healthy and strong. we didn't even think about social or anything like that. We can support them and so on.
i just want my see my parent more often than onces a year. you know what i mean...

Don't know what to do.....

I don't give a **** about your story someone with a fake passport to stay in a country illegally is a lowlife scumbag and deserves to be locked up.

troyzer

GarIT wrote: »

I don't give a **** about your story someone with a fake passport to stay in a country illegally is a lowlife scumbag and deserves to be locked up.

Lowlife scumbag for working abroad for a while to pay for his daughter's education? Sounds like a stand up guy. He should have been let in legally to begin with.

corks finest

Out the gap scammer

Squatter

troyzer wrote: »

Lowlife scumbag for working abroad for a while to pay for his daughter's education? Sounds like a stand up guy. He should have been let in legally to begin with.

And so should everyone in the world who wants to work in Ireland to support their daughter's (or son's) education?

Or, if not, then why should an exception have been made for this lady's father?

olgalitvinenko

troyzer wrote: »

Lowlife scumbag for working abroad for a while to pay for his daughter's education? Sounds like a stand up guy. He should have been let in legally to begin with.

Thank you for your support!!!!

fxotoole

fritzelly wrote: »

Why bother spending money on jail, just deport

You withheld facts from the immigration office so they can rightly revoke your citizenship and deport you - whether they will is another thing
As above a solicitor is what you need who specialises in it and maybe can use good character, valuable member of society reasons for not deporting.

In this day and age when phones have fingerprint and facial scanners why isn't customs more techy to prevent this

They did more than withholding facts - they actively and knowingly defrauded the State - therefore jail is a proportionate response, IMHO

GarIT

troyzer wrote: »

Lowlife scumbag for working abroad for a while to pay for his daughter's education? Sounds like a stand up guy. He should have been let in legally to begin with.

What he's doing is irrelevant, he gets the lowlife scumbag status when he presents a fake passport to customs/immigration.

I also think this might be a troll as bachelor's degree don't have distinctions.

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Uboat

GarIT wrote: »

I don't give a **** about your story someone with a fake passport to stay in a country illegally is a lowlife scumbag and deserves to be locked up.

Are you ok with locking up tens of thousands of lowlife Irish citizens scumbags who stay illegally in USA?

corks finest

GarIT wrote: »

troyzer wrote: »

Lowlife scumbag for working abroad for a while to pay for his daughter's education? Sounds like a stand up guy. He should have been let in legally to begin with.

What he's doing is irrelevant, he gets the lowlife scumbag status when he presents a fake passport to customs/immigration.

I also think this might be a troll as bachelor's degree don't have destinctions.

Distinctions even,,😄 sorry couldn't resist

troyzer

We're so quick as a nation to kick the ladder down behind us after we've finally climbed out of poverty. How many hundreds of thousands if not millions of Irish people ove the years have made a better life for themselves by moving abroad both legally AND illegally? He will be deported and perhaps rightfully so, but that doesn't make him a scumbag for trying to make the life of his kids better than his own.

wexie

Uboat wrote: »

Are you ok with locking up tens of thousands of lowlife Irish citizens scumbags who stay illegally in USA?

yeah but....they're not illegal, they're just undocumented

:rolleyes:

GarIT

Uboat wrote: »

Are you ok with locking up tens of thousands of lowlife Irish citizens scumbags who stay illegally in USA?

Yeah, anyone caught should serve prison time whatever their nationality or country they are defrauding. I've previously made comments on the double standards of calling Irish illegal imigrants undocumented.

fxotoole

Uboat wrote: »

Are you ok with locking up tens of thousands of lowlife Irish citizens scumbags who stay illegally in USA?

If they used a fake US passport, you can bet your ass the States would lock them up.

Uboat

fxotoole wrote: »

If they used a fake US passport, you can bet your ass the States would lock them up.

And if they don't? They still illegally in USA.

Squatter

troyzer wrote: »

We're so quick as a nation to kick the ladder down behind us after we've finally climbed out of poverty. How many hundreds of thousands if not millions of Irish people ove the years have made a better life for themselves by moving abroad both legally AND illegally? He will be deported and perhaps rightfully so, but that doesn't make him a scumbag for trying to make the life of his kids better than his own.

Is that a climbdown from your earlier statement that "He should have been let in legally to begin with."

If not, then when are you going to recant?

olgalitvinenko

GarIT wrote: »

What he's doing is irrelevant, he gets the lowlife scumbag status when he presents a fake passport to customs/immigration.

I also think this might be a troll as bachelor's degree don't have destinctions.

First of all we didn't present any passport to the customs!!!! He just got that passport to be safe if Garda will stop him on the street ant that's All!!!!
Second - I am from Ukraine and we do have marks and for bachelor degree and for master. in my country we call it Red Diploma what means - marks of distinctions. Google it you smart ass!

Uboat

GarIT wrote: »

Yeah, anyone caught should serve prison time whatever their nationality or country they are defrauding. I've previously made comments on the double standards of calling Irish illegal imigrants undocumented.

OK, but to call someone working "a lowlife scumbag" is too harsh.

fxotoole

Uboat wrote: »

And if they don't? They still illegally in USA.

I don't think you're understanding my point.

The gentleman in question used a fake EU passport to try to stay in the EU. A jail sentence, IMHO is an appropriate response to such an action.

Using a fake US Passport to try to stay in the US is essentially the same, therefore anyone doing so should be locked up in the US as well.

troyzer

Squatter wrote: »

Is that a climbdown from your earlier statement that "He should have been let in legally to begin with."

If not, then when are you going to recant?

Oh no I do believe that he should have been let in legally. But the law is the law and while I don't blame him or think less of him for trying to skirt it, it needs to be enforced.

Immigration law is often heartless and nonsensical, but not enforcing it is even worse.

Squatter

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

First of all we didn't present any passport to the customs!!!! He just got that passport to be safe if Garda will stop him on the street ant that's All!!!!

So he bought a forged (or stolen) Irish (or EU) passport while he was in Ireland?

I'm not passing any judgement on that, (because we both know that it was wrong!), but I would be interested in knowing whether it was difficult for him to obtain one and how much it cost him, please?

GarIT

Uboat wrote: »

OK, but to call someone working "a lowlife scumbag" is too harsh.

So if another type of criminal was working we can't label them as what they are either?

olgalitvinenko

Squatter wrote: »

And so should everyone in the world who wants to work in Ireland to support their daughter's (or son's) education?

Or, if not, then why should an exception have been made for this lady's father?

Don't know what to say.... The only difference that my dad never broke the law (Except this passport). and at the moment I leave in Ireland for many years and work, pay taxes and so on. have a family and kids. the only thing i want is my parents to be with us.
It was probably a mistake. but it worked out good for me and now I want to do something for my parents.
At the first place i think it should be no boarders for people. there are always good and bad people in every country.....

GarIT

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

First of all we didn't present any passport to the customs!!!! He just got that passport to be safe if Garda will stop him on the street ant that's All!!!!
Second - I am from Ukraine and we do have marks and for bachelor degree and for master. in my country we call it Red Diploma what means - marks of distinctions. Google it you smart ass!

Oh so you told or implied to customs that you were on a holiday? Same **** different method.

troyzer

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

Don't know what to say.... The only difference that my dad never broke the law (Except this passport). and at the moment I leave in Ireland for many years and work, pay taxes and so on. have a family and kids. the only thing i want is my parents to be with us.
It was probably a mistake. but it worked out good for me and now I want to do something for my parents.
At the first place i think it should be no boarders for people. there are always good and bad people in every country.....

To be fair I don't think the passport is the issue. He committed at least two crimes and by far the greater of the two is that he was living in Ireland illegally.

GarIT

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

Don't know what to say.... The only difference that my dad never broke the law (Except this passport). and at the moment I leave in Ireland for many years and work, pay taxes and so on. have a family and kids. the only thing i want is my parents to be with us.
It was probably a mistake. but it worked out good for me and now I want to do something for my parents.
At the first place i think it should be no boarders for people. there are always good and bad people in every country.....

Most ciminals never broke the law except that one law they were caught breaking.

Do you not realise working in Ireland while not here legally is breaking the law? Living here while not here legally is breaking the law?

Using any of the heavily subsidized public transport systems, buying any medicine or many other things is stealing from the Irish taxpayer. And we have to deal with the increased rents and overcrowded houses illegals cause.

Squatter

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

At the first place i think it should be no boarders for people. there are always good and bad people in every country.....

Ah c'mon Olga! There's no need for the fluffy lambs, rainbows and unicorn bit!

GarIT

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

Don't know what to say.... The only difference that my dad never broke the law (Except this passport). and at the moment I leave in Ireland for many years and work, pay taxes and so on. have a family and kids. the only thing i want is my parents to be with us.
It was probably a mistake. but it worked out good for me and now I want to do something for my parents.
At the first place i think it should be no boarders for people. there are always good and bad people in every country.....

Go home then, live with them where they can be legally. Does he have a pps number?

I think you're fully of ****. You can't pay tax without having a pps number, you can't get a pps number without being here legally. If he had a pps number for as long as you say he could have just claimed Irish resedency or citizenship.

olgalitvinenko

Squatter wrote: »

So he bought a forged (or stolen) Irish (or EU) passport while he was in Ireland?

I'm not passing any judgement on that, (because we both know that it was wrong!), but I would be interested in knowing whether it was difficult for him to obtain one and how much it cost him, please?

I am not aware of detail to be honest. but as i understand it's not that difficult.

Bob24

Uboat wrote: »

Are you ok with locking up tens of thousands of lowlife Irish citizens scumbags who stay illegally in USA?

I wouldn’t use that language, but yes Irish or not and regardless of which country they are in - someone who enters/resides illegally in a country should be deported no question asked. I don’t care about their story, not enforcing the law only encourages more infrigments and erodes the local population’s trust in democracy and the rule of law. And to be clear both myself and my partner immigrated to Ireland including a lot of efforts and a long wait for her to be legally allowed to join me, so it is not a lack of empathy for immigrants - I very well know how the system works.

If there are situations whereby a majority of citizens in the host society think more people should be allowed to immigrate/stay, immigration laws can be democratically changed to allow for them to do so legally. Encouraging/tolerating them to do it illegally would both threaten the rule of law and be anti-democratic.

olgalitvinenko

ok guys. Thanks for all your comments.
Unfortunately your opinions can't solve the problem.

Wish you all the best!!!

troyzer

Bob24 wrote: »

I wouldn’t use that language, but yes Irish or not and regardless of which country they are in - someone who enters/resides illegally in a country should be deported no question asked. I don’t care about their story, not enforcing the law only encourages more infrigments and erodes the local population’s trust in democracy and the rule of law. And to be clear both myself and my partner immigrated to Ireland including a lot of efforts and a long wait for her to be legally allowed to join me, so it is not a lack of empathy for immigrants - I very well know how the system works.

If there are situations whereby a majority of citizens in host society think more people should be allowed to immigrate/stay, immigration laws can be democratically changed to allow for them to do so legally. Encouraging them to do it illegally would both threaten the rule of law and be anti-democratic.

I'd agree with this. I don't know how you can't have empathy for individuals but the system as a whole needs to be credible.

rock22

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

ok guys. Thanks for all your comments.
Unfortunately your opinions can't solve the problem.

Wish you all the best!!!

I am sorry you have to read such awful comments from some posters here.

Welcome to Ireland!

Adamocovic

olgalitvinenko wrote: »

Don't know what to say.... The only difference that my dad never broke the law (Except this passport). and at the moment I leave in Ireland for many years and work, pay taxes and so on. have a family and kids. the only thing i want is my parents to be with us.
It was probably a mistake. but it worked out good for me and now I want to do something for my parents.
At the first place i think it should be no boarders for people. there are always good and bad people in every country.....

I'm still a bit confused. Did your father come to Ireland with the fake passport and use it to gain entry and stay in the country?

Or did you father come and buy a fake one here, what did he use it for, and how did they find out about it?

Honestly, while although his motive was noble using a fake identification for those purposes is fraud and something the EU and Ireland are trying to combat more, due to the increase in movement.

It's hard to know how it will go for your father. Other punishments from around the world for Passport Fraud include (but depends on severity):
-A fine
-Removed from the country and banned from entering for a period of time
-Record of fraud being kept against you in the country
-Prison sentence

It's an odd one as can't find anything too specific about it for Ireland/EU but others may know.

I will say that although it seems unfair to you, your father must have known the risks he was taken when he decided to get a fake passport. And so while it's a terrible situation for you I don't have too much sympathy.

RossieMan

Surely some of the posters here should be getting a ban? Disgusting overreactions.

Keyboard warriors at their finest.

troyzer

RossieMan wrote: »

Surely some of the posters here should be getting a ban? Disgusting overreactions.

Keyboard warriors at their finest.

Why? There was nothing racist. Just a strong defense of the immigration system.

Squatter

RossieMan wrote: »

Surely some of the posters here should be getting a ban?

Or why not deport them while you're at it?

How dare they express strong opinions with which you disagree? The nerve of them!