Planned developments in City Centre?

Wheety

Is there a thread already for this? Thought we could talk about planned openings/redevelopments in the City Centre? I'm just nosey and like to know what's going on before it opens :rolleyes:

One I noticed today was the Permanent TSB on Grafton Street has Hoardings around it and work going on.

Looked it up on DCC's website.

Short stay apartments :eek:

The development will consist of a change of use from previously approved (Planning Ref: 2200/16), comprising of Guesthouse accommodation with ground floor reception/ lobby with breakfast room and 16 no. bedrooms at second, third and fourth floors. To 18 no. Self Catered short stay holiday let studio apartments at second, third and fourth floors with associated ancillary services and reception/ lobby at ground floor, additional window to Grafton Street elevation at 4th floor level inclusive of all associated site development works.

Link

miamee

Wow. I actually thought that they were just renovating the bank :eek:
There seems to be a big development underway on the plot of land that faces onto Aungier Street, Upper Stephen Street and Longford Street but I'm not sure what it is intended to be. There was an application some time ago to knock it all down and construct student accommodation plus retail units i=on ground floor level but it was rejected in 2016 according to this article. I'm assuming that they modified the same plans and it'll still be student accommodation but that's just a guess.

Wheety

Also Charlemont Street is having a large development at the moment. The flats are all gone and a new square will be at the centre of the new development.

http://www.mcorm.com/Charlemont-Street

Wheety

Also, just found this. Looks like The Outlet Store on South Great George's Street is finally getting some work done. I had started a thread before specifically about this but a more generic one like this thread will probably be better.

Full Development Description
Permission is requested for development at this site of c.0.106 ha at 41-46 South Great George's Street and 51-53 Lower Stephen Street, Dublin 2. The site is bounded to the north by Wicklow Court, 38-40 South Great George's Street, to the south by Lower Stephen Street, to the east by Drury Street Car Park and to the west by South Great George's Street. The development will consist of the following: - Retention of the brick facade to South Great George's Street and part of the Lower Stephen Street facade and demolition of the existing 3-4 storey over basement structure (c.3,716 sq.m) - Construction of a 5-storey over single basement structure to include retained facade. The building will comprise a 100 no. bedroom hotel, 1 no. restaurant and 3 no. retail units; - Provision of a hotel restaurant, kitchen, ancillary hotel areas/offices, associated staff areas, changing/ shower rooms, toilets, stores, bin and bicycle stores and cold water storage at basement level; - Provision of 3 no. ground floor level retail units (totalling c.576 sq.m) with basement storage serving 2 of the retail units, 1 no. ground floor level restaurant unit with basement kitchen/ stores (totalling c.332 sq.m), hotel lobby, bin stores, ESB substation (c.35 sq.m); - Hotel bedrooms and stores from 1st to 4th floor levels. - Provision of stair/ lift cores and circulation areas throughout, courtyard at 1st floor level and plant at roof level; - New elevation to a portion of Lower Stephen Street. New shopfronts at ground floor level to South Great George's Street and Lower Stephen Street including new 1st floor level window to South Great George's Street; - Proposed pedestrian accesses to hotel, retail/ restaurant units and services via Lower Stephen Street and South Great George's Street; - The total gross floor space of the building is c.5,232 sq.m; - All associated site development works, services provision, landscaping and boundary treatments works.

Link

http://www.thejournal.ie/dublin-planning-facelift-3926140-Mar2018/

wakka12

The old 'Dublin Central' scheme is now going ahead in a different form, no park in the sky anymore lol , less shops, more sensitive to dublin's architecture and heritage.
Its by a german architecture firm called ACME
they've done lovely regeneration projects in many british cities.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/leading-architectural-firm-acme-to-oversee-moore-st-redevelopment-1.3444931

Also new reports recently that the fruit market redevelopment will finally be going ahead
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/consumer/victorian-dublin-market-regeneration-to-go-ahead-1.3502185?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Fnews%2Fconsumer%2Fvictorian-dublin-market-regeneration-to-go-ahead-1.3502185

This will be a huge huge boost for the northside, once DIT and the new parnell square cultural quarter and library open and all those hotels around abbey street the northside might start to be on par with southside in terms of culture and liveliness and services to offer!

L1011

Lisbon split their equivalent market and has the old sector on one side and specialist food retailers with shared seating (some are mostly take out, most sell food for immediate eating too) and it's worked extremely well. Hope DCC have seen that

humberklog

Sostrene Grene are opening up their city shop in the old Waltons on George's St. My shop's across the road so can see it progress. It's great George's/Aungier St. is eventually getting spruced up.

L1011

It is just a fancy pound shop really. A lot better than Dealz but still

Wheety

L1011 wrote: »

It is just a fancy pound shop really. A lot better than Dealz but still

I see it as more of a Flying Tiger Hidden Copenhagen, or whatever it's called now.

Some cool stuff in it.

blue_blue

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/new-wetherspoons-gastropub-on-abbey-street-expected-to-be-finished-by-christmas-36843627.html

L1011

Wheety wrote: »

I see it as more of a Flying Tiger Hidden Copenhagen, or whatever it's called now.

Some cool stuff in it.

Which is also a fancy pound shop!

clafouti

Smithfield Square looks set for another modern build. Demolishing part of the Old Distillery

bkd.ie/projects/smithfield/

I think it's a crying shame, especially as they look set to demolish the block opposite it and replace it with something similar. All that was once once characterful about the square will be gone.

wakka12

Its just the stone wall thats being demolished I think? Pretty sure in the conditions the stone building at the back of the site is being retained.
I think it looks good, and will give the square a more complete feel
It's going to be on the site of a large car park that imo did nothing for the square at all
And the proposed building opposite it is replacing a few little slummy yolks?
https://www.google.com/maps/@53.347442,-6.2782584,3a,27.2y,266.82h,97.13t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1shkEjvGqtjUlyug220fgdkQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
Don't see how either of these developments could do anything but improve smithfield
This is the other proposed building that will replace the buildings I linked on google maps, if anyones interested, I think it looks very high quality

clafouti

I would have to disagree. I love the quirky feel to Smithfield and the hodge-podge of different buildings and businesses. There's very little left in the city like it and I think we will miss the "old Dublin" feel when it's gone.
All the little businesses in that block have to move. And I'm guessing there'll only be room for the likes of Starbucks and its ilk once that block is built.

cgcsb

That Smithfield block will move some v cool businesses out. Smithfield Market is now fully occupied afaik for the first time since completion in 2005, the north end of Smithfield also remains kinda shabby.

wakka12

I get what you mean, I like hodge podge streets too,and I think dublin has better examples than this though, with nice old buildings , I would consider camden street, capel street and a couple others in dublin that kind of nice organic street with small irish business on it. I was mainly talking aesthetically, the new buildings are big improvements,but yeh if large chains like starbucks replace all those little businesses then thats quite a loss you're right

cgcsb

Oh the buildings are a disaster, if the current retailers could be guaranteed units in the new building I'd be delighted. I deffo wont be happy with a Starbucks. Betty Bojangles will be gone, and the vintage clothes shop, and the cat lounge

Wheety

blue_blue wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/new-wetherspoons-gastropub-on-abbey-street-expected-to-be-finished-by-christmas-36843627.html

The Wetherspoons on Camden Street has also started work.

wakka12

Wheety wrote: »

The Wetherspoons on Camden Street has also started work.

I can't believe how big that camden street one is going to be..hoarding around 10 or 11 of the georgian houses

wakka12

This is also under construction near Charlemont canal,opposite bernard shaw

Wheety

wakka12 wrote: »

This is also under construction near Charlemont canal,opposite bernard shaw

Those houses will have a big office over looking their gardens now.

You must work or live close to wear I work. Did you see the size of the development on Charlemont Street, behind the Bernard Shaw?

Amirani

Wheety wrote: »

Those houses will have a big office over looking their gardens now.

You can't really expect to have private secluded gardens inside the canal in the CBD.

Wheety

Amirani wrote: »

You can't really expect to have private secluded gardens inside the canal in the CBD.

True.

They would have gotten used to it though as that site has been derelict for years. Possibly a decade? I remember gong past it on the bus going to wrok but can't remember what was there years ago.

Teyla Emmagan

Wheety wrote:

They would have gotten used to it though as that site has been derelict for years. Possibly a decade? I remember gong past it on the bus going to wrok but can't remember what was there years ago.

Wasn't it part of Portobello college? There was an ugly office block type building there that the college then moved into I think. I love that part of Dublin, the funny stretch near the Bernard Shaw with the Aprille and the Antique shop etc.

Wheety

Work has been going on for a while in the old Pod Nightclub and adjoining buildings. Restaurant, retail and office space.

https://fora.ie/clancourt-harcourt-street-tripod-3943767-Apr2018/



the woman doesn't look happy with her lunch though

Also the sign went up on those short stay apartments on Grafton Street. Sill a bit surprised they're opening there.

wakka12

Wheety wrote: »

Work has been gong on for a while in the old Pod Nightclub and adjoining buildings. Restaurant, retail and office space.

https://fora.ie/clancourt-harcourt-street-tripod-3943767-Apr2018/



the woman doesn't look happy with her lunch though

Also the sign went up on those short stay apartments on Grafton Street. Sill a bit surprised they're opening there.

Superb public realm improvement here

cgcsb

looks great the current railings are oppressive.

Alicano

Anyone know what is planned for the old Lambe and O'Connor site on Poplar Row? The old AIB on the corner next to it has been idle for years too. Awful dead place. Drive past it every day

miamee

This might not be the right thread for this but I am shocked, saddened and appalled* to see that the lovely building on Dame Street that housed Beirut Express Cafe (which I loved) and then Kostas Greek restaurant (didn't last long there) has now been turned into yet another of those trashy souvenir shops. Also the premises a couple of doors down which was a salad/noodle bar is also transforming into a trashy souvenir shop. It's so sad to see prime retail space being cheapened by this kind of tenant. To me they are even worse than the proliferation of Starbucks!

*Might be an overreaction but I'm sick of some of the 'progress' in our city.

wakka12

miamee wrote: »

This might not be the right thread for this but I am shocked, saddened and appalled* to see that the lovely building on Dame Street that housed Beirut Express Cafe (which I loved) and then Kostas Greek restaurant (didn't last long there) has now been turned into yet another of those trashy souvenir shops. Also the premises a couple of doors down which was a salad/noodle bar is also transforming into a trashy souvenir shop. It's so sad to see prime retail space being cheapened by this kind of tenant. To me they are even worse than the proliferation of Starbucks!

*Might be an overreaction but I'm sick of some of the 'progress' in our city.

God I didnt even notice! That is shocking, the souvenir shops are usually incredibly gaudy and tacky, I noticed Mr Simms sweet shop was turned into a souvenir shop a while ago, so Dame Street now has 4-5 tourist shops??
I feel like Dublin is almost becoming like barcelona and venice in terms of tourism numbers, I dont even see how it attracts such vast amounts of tourists like its a fairly nice city with plenty to do but dont see how so many want to come here, I would have thought how ridiculously expensive it is would be a limiting factor

miamee

There is no shop sign up that I noticed but from the stock I could see hanging inside this morning, they look the same as the shop where Mr Simms used to be. They haven't opened yet, still workmen there this morning but it'll be soon.

The numbers of tourists can be overwhelming at this time of year. I'm glad we get the numbers visiting of course but I think we've reached capacity now

w/s/p/c/

I know it has been gone a long time (and probably sold a long time too!), but only noticed the sold sign over the old Zanzibar (then known as Bondi Beach nightclub) on Ormond Quay yesterday.  Anyone any idea what this may become?

L1011

w/s/p/c/ wrote: »

I know it has been gone a long time (and probably sold a long time too!), but only noticed the sold sign over the old Zanzibar (then known as Bondi Beach nightclub) on Ormond Quay yesterday.  Anyone any idea what this may become?

Long standing permission for a hotel development going back through to the street behind, may have lapsed but that's what it'll be almost certainly.

miamee

The shops I mentioned above are both Carrolls, shop signs are up now :rolleyes:

ongarboy

Very disappointing to see yet more tacky leprechaun shops. I don't mind over concentration of restaurants in this area as there is great diversity in the choices of food but identikit diddle-e-eye shops selling imitation turf, stuffed sheep toys and green jerseys in every second building is a pain. Scarily, every single one of them is always busy!

Wheety

The work has begun on the old Ormonde Quay hotel. Looks like the top half of a H now with the middle bit gone.

It's going to be a hotel too.

power pants

miamee wrote: »

This might not be the right thread for this but I am shocked, saddened and appalled* to see that the lovely building on Dame Street that housed Beirut Express Cafe (which I loved) and then Kostas Greek restaurant (didn't last long there) has now been turned into yet another of those trashy souvenir shops. Also the premises a couple of doors down which was a salad/noodle bar is also transforming into a trashy souvenir shop. It's so sad to see prime retail space being cheapened by this kind of tenant. To me they are even worse than the proliferation of Starbucks!

*Might be an overreaction but I'm sick of some of the 'progress' in our city.

Those businesses likely closed down as making a loss and increasing rents

Realistically only a souvenir shop can probably afford the rent and get the custom too

miamee

Wheety wrote: »

The work has begun on the old Ormonde Quay hotel. Looks like the top half of a H now with the middle bit gone.

It's going to be a hotel too.

I took a photo of it a few days ago from the bus - not great quality but you can see how it's looking.

AMKC

Anyone know anything about Mckenzie's chicken outlets? I heard the one in Liffey Valley closed and it looks like the one in St Stephens Green might be now as well. It was not open when I was up there last week. Be very sad if they are gone.

Muahahaha

wakka12 wrote: »

God I didnt even notice! That is shocking, the souvenir shops are usually incredibly gaudy and tacky, I noticed Mr Simms sweet shop was turned into a souvenir shop a while ago, so Dame Street now has 4-5 tourist shops??
I feel like Dublin is almost becoming like barcelona and venice in terms of tourism numbers, I dont even see how it attracts such vast amounts of tourists like its a fairly nice city with plenty to do but dont see how so many want to come here, I would have thought how ridiculously expensive it is would be a limiting factor

AFAIK there is a planning application being processed for the entire building above the old Mr.Simms and where Skinflint is now. I cant recall the exact details but defintely a hotel on the upper floors. It is possible that the souvenir shop that is in the old Mr.Simms is a temporary summer thing while the planning application goes through.

Agree with you on the amount of tourists, its become stifling at this stage. But unless the council does something to curtail it then it is only going to grow more and more. For eg a few years back we were getting very few Chinese tourists. But last year it was 90,000 and they hope to grow this to 180,000 in the next five years. The new direct flights between Beijing and Dublin and easy visa access will help grow these numbers.

Wheety

The Starbucks on Westmoreland Street (Temple Bar side) is now TGI Friday's. It's the same one you enter from Fleet Street.

I remember reading about them being refused an entrance on that side. Wonder if they greased the right palms this time.

imme

The works on the Central Bank building on Dame St are progressing, seems to be going on a while.
Office space will take up the majority of the revamped building.
Restaurants and leisure will make up the rest.
Anyone looking forward to spectacular spaces and views or will it be mundane.

imme

Does anyone know what is happening in the little square in front of the lighthouse cinema.
It has been dug up and fenced off

cgcsb

the square is the roof of the underground cinema. It was leaking I think and they decided to completely rebuild.

miamee

imme wrote: »

The works on the Central Bank building on Dame St are progressing, seems to be going on a while.
Office space will take up the majority of the revamped building.
Restaurants and leisure will make up the rest.
Anyone looking forward to spectacular spaces and views or will it be mundane.

I was lucky enough to get to the top floor of the Central Bank on an Opne House tour a few years ago and the views of the river from up there were pretty good Let me see if I can find one to post here. I think the views will be great on a clear day!

ETA: found a photo, this is looking down onto Temple Bar and the Liffey. I can't be 100% sure that it was the top floor but it was one of the higher ones anyway.

Dandelion6

cgcsb wrote: »

That Smithfield block will move some v cool businesses out. Smithfield Market is now fully occupied afaik for the first time since completion in 2005, the north end of Smithfield also remains kinda shabby.

It's not fully occupied, the former Polish grocery is still empty.

Gavin "shels"

Seems somethings being demolished on Great Strand St next to Tengu just before Liffey St junction, can't find any PP. Opposite the planned Apartments/Hotels facing out to Jervis Luas.

fly_agaric

wakka12 wrote: »

God I didnt even notice! That is shocking, the souvenir shops are usually incredibly gaudy and tacky, I noticed Mr Simms sweet shop was turned into a souvenir shop a while ago, so Dame Street now has 4-5 tourist shops??
I feel like Dublin is almost becoming like barcelona and venice in terms of tourism numbers, I dont even see how it attracts such vast amounts of tourists like its a fairly nice city with plenty to do but dont see how so many want to come here, I would have thought how ridiculously expensive it is would be a limiting factor

Yes it is absolutely mad alright and there's no rest for the wicked native dub any more like there used to be for a while in winter + early spring. No wonder the Chinese Leprechaun shops and the new hotels are springing up. Must be absolute fortunes being made out of it all. Sorry - really a subject for another thread I suppose. :pac:

DaisyGarden

Old Dublin is disappearing to make way for a more global outlook. So I'd expect to see a lot of lovely buildings and old traditions gone into history, sadly. Like Newmarket Square in Dublin 8. The regular and Sunday markets there have been a staple for families for many years. Now it will be no longer. It is making way for a hotel and other tourist traps. The developers have said there would be space for a market. But my thinking it is going to be a designer market to cater to tourists . No flea markets anymore. The heart of the community is being taken out. You can't have a community, as community isnt found in hotels. Also another huge development is underway close to the side of Guinness' with yet another hotel in Dublin 8. And another brewery for tourists on James' Street.

Gavin "shels"

DaisyGarden wrote: »

Old Dublin is disappearing to make way for a more global outlook. So I'd expect to see a lot of lovely buildings and old traditions gone into history, sadly. Like Newmarket Square in Dublin 8. The regular and Sunday markets there have been a staple for families for many years. Now it will be no longer. It is making way for a hotel and other tourist traps. The developers have said there would be space for a market. But my thinking it is going to be a designer market to cater to tourists . No flea markets anymore. The heart of the community is being taken out. You can't have a community, as community isnt found in hotels. Also another huge development is underway close to the side of Guinness' with yet another hotel in Dublin 8. And another brewery for tourists on James' Street.

As someone who's born and bred Dublin 8, I think the new developments along Cork St are well overdue.

Newmarket (until Teelings) was all but a near waste land. Blenders, etc... there are probably happier getting a pay out and moving to newer premises . Further up Cork St you've the Donnelly Centre recently demolished to make way for apartments along which was disused for as long as I remember.

All well and good talking about flea markets but this is prime city centre land... you can have a flea market anywhere essentially.

I agree about the hotels mind you, these locations should be more geared towards residential units like the rest of Cork St.

wakka12

The developments in D8 have been and will continue to be overwhelmingly positive for the area, was it better when the liberies was a wasteland nobody visited ? As others have said ,too much hotels , but development is long overdue
And Dublin has extremely strict architectural conservation laws compared to most of the world so you won't see any nice buildings disappearing