V40 brakes

Noodles81

I have a 141 V40 about a year. I rarely drive it as I have been ill and unable to work due to a serious illness. It started shuddering at the wheel when slowing down from higher speeds 70 kmph or above a while back. I left it in to my Ford garage who up until recently were an approved Volvo service provider. I told them about the problem braking. It got serviced and I was told it needed new calipers but they weren't in stock. So I waited a few weeks and left it in again. They never said anything to me either time about a problem with the brakes so I thought they were fixed. However, the shuddering and shaking got worse so I rang the garage.

The receptionist took my details and spoke to a technician. She seemed very cagey about taking in the car. She said it had needed caliper SPRINGS which were " missing" from the car at the time of service. She said I was never told it needed calipers nor did they fit caliper just the springs. So grand I said could I leave it in to get fixed whatever is needed and she reluctantly gave me an appointment for 2 weeks away.

I was driving the car a lot this week on the M1 and the braking was becoming very bad indeed. Even around the town it started shaking badly at any speed coming to a halt. I decided to get a second opinion.

We left the car out with a retired mechanic with over 50 years experience in the business. He drove the car and was in total shock. He said it was a deathtrap and to cease driving it immediately. He couldn't believe the garage had serviced it and said nothing about the brakes, twice. He reckoned the brakes were warped very badly and he had never seen a case as bad as this. He's going to fix it today.

My question is, how come the garage didn't tell me this? They obviously looked at the brakes to see it was missing springs. So how come they didn't recommend I get my brakes done when I had told them to look at the brakes. Money wasn't the issue, I asked them to check my brakes but they never even mentioned them. They said it was fine after the springs went on but it only got worse.

Has anyone else experienced this? I have to say I'm very disappointed with the V40. I barely drove it, it was looked after so well and after a year it's gone to the dogs. It only has 75000 km on it.

Bmw123d

Noodles81 wrote: »

I have a 141 V40 about a year. I rarely drive it as I have been ill and unable to work due to a serious illness. It started shuddering at the wheel when slowing down from higher speeds 70 kmph or above a while back. I left it in to my Ford garage who up until recently were an approved Volvo service provider. I told them about the problem braking. It got serviced and I was told it needed new calipers but they weren't in stock. So I waited a few weeks and left it in again. They never said anything to me either time about a problem with the brakes so I thought they were fixed. However, the shuddering and shaking got worse so I rang the garage.

The receptionist took my details and spoke to a technician. She seemed very cagey about taking in the car. She said it had needed caliper SPRINGS which were " missing" from the car at the time of service. She said I was never told it needed calipers nor did they fit caliper just the springs. So grand I said could I leave it in to get fixed whatever is needed and she reluctantly gave me an appointment for 2 weeks away.

I was driving the car a lot this week on the M1 and the braking was becoming very bad indeed. Even around the town it started shaking badly at any speed coming to a halt. I decided to get a second opinion.

We left the car out with a retired mechanic with over 50 years experience in the business. He drove the car and was in total shock. He said it was a deathtrap and to cease driving it immediately. He couldn't believe the garage had serviced it and said nothing about the brakes, twice. He reckoned the brakes were warped very badly and he had never seen a case as bad as this. He's going to fix it today.

My question is, how come the garage didn't tell me this? They obviously looked at the brakes to see it was missing springs. So how come they didn't recommend I get my brakes done when I had told them to look at the brakes. Money wasn't the issue, I asked them to check my brakes but they never even mentioned them. They said it was fine after the springs went on but it only got worse.

Has anyone else experienced this? I have to say I'm very disappointed with the V40. I barely drove it, it was looked after so well and after a year it's gone to the dogs. It only has 75000 km on it.

From the start of reading this post I new your discs where warped. I’d imagine the reason they didn’t do that is because it’s normally a first or second year apprentice that services your car. Then there not insured to test drive ur car. So maybe it was drove slowly around the yard. Either way that’s bad practice by the garage I would defo be telling people to stay away.
This has long being a problem tho having apprentice services cars in main dealers. Quite often they don’t have the experience to pick out the faults or problems that are coming down the line

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iamtony

Shocking the garage didn't change the brake discs first, as the other poster said I knew it was warped discs straight away and I'm not a mechanic.
I wouldn't blame the car on the discs. It can happen. They aren't actually warped, the wear unevenly due to a build up of residue, or an imprint of the pad being left on one spot of the disc from holding your foot on the brake while they are hot, among other reasons this spot then doesn't wear at the same rate as the rest of the disc. It's possible if the car was lying up the disc became dirty and rusty and the clean spot that wasn't exposed started to wear faster than the rest of the disc.
Anyway discs are cheap and shouldn't cost a lot change, don't write of the car just yet, but change garage! Just because they are a main dealer doesn't mean you get the best service.

mullingar

iamtony wrote: »

...... . They aren't actually warped, the wear unevenly due to a build up of residue, or an imprint of the pad being left on one spot of the disc from holding your foot on the brake while they are hot, among other reasons this spot then doesn't wear at the same rate as the rest of the disc. It's possible if the car was lying up the disc became dirty and rusty and the clean spot that wasn't exposed started to wear faster than the rest of the disc.

Pure crap.

Discs warp mainly for 2 reasons. Uneven contraction after getting very hot and being cheap metal.

Bmw123d

mullingar wrote: »

Pure crap.

Discs warp mainly for 2 reasons. Uneven contraction after getting very hot and being cheap metal.

I second this. It’s nothibg got to do with a bit of the bad touching or being left again the disc. And as you have stated it nearly nearly always down to over heating

iamtony

A simple Google of "do brake discs actually warp" will show they don't actually warp. Have you ever actually seen steel warp like this?

iamtony

mullingar wrote: »

Pure crap.

Discs warp mainly for 2 reasons. Uneven contraction after getting very hot and being cheap metal.

I'll expect an apology after the Google search.

iamtony

I was involved in motorsport for many year and dealt with the likes of brembo technical department on a regular basis.

iamtony

If you take a calipers and measure the thickness of a "warped disc" you will see its different thicknesses around its circumferences.

iamtony

http://www.mossmotoring.com/warped-brake-rotors-the-facts/

wonski

iamtony wrote: »

A simple Google of "do brake discs actually warp" will show they don't actually warp. Have you ever actually seen steel warp like this?

Are they made of steel?

Quick Google search said not...

iamtony

wonski wrote: »

Are they made of steel?

Quick Google search said not...

Sorry iron. Still nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I fact it proves it more. Cast iron will crack rather than bend.

wonski

iamtony wrote: »

Sorry iron. Still nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I fact it proves it more. Cast iron will crack rather than bend.

I don't disagree with you, just think you went too ballistic with your answers.

Let the others some time to respond

iamtony

wonski wrote: »

I don't disagree with you, just think you went too ballistic with your answers.

Let the others some time to respond

Yeah true, I've had a few beers sorry ha:)

iamtony

iamtony wrote: »

Yeah true, I've had a few beers sorry ha:)

In fairness the guy said that's pure crap, that's also harsh. If his approach was more like yours I would of responded in a more appropriate manner, but instead I went into "someone's wrong on the Internet" manner!

wonski

iamtony wrote: »

In fairness the guy said that's pure crap, that's also harsh. If his approach was more like yours I would of responded in a more appropriate manner, but instead I went into "someone's wrong on the Internet" manner!

I meant the number of posts rather than the tone of said posts

I found that the whole warp discs story was on my car until I replaced front bushes and all off a sudden no more vibrations when braking at speed.

To be fair the term warped discs is widely used when the discs bear signs of uneven wear.

Just what everyone calls it, even if it is not warped technically speaking.

iamtony

wonski wrote: »

I meant the number of posts rather than the tone of said posts

I found that the whole warp discs story was on my car until I replaced front bushes and all off a sudden no more vibrations when braking at speed.

To be fair the term warped discs is widely used when the discs bear signs of uneven wear.

Just what everyone calls it, even if it is not warped technically speaking.

yes I know it's just what people call it. Only reason I explained is to give the op a bit of confidence in the Volvo as he expressed concern over the car.