De-register a car

Easylambda23

Hello, I would like to ask you how to de-register a car, for example I bought a car with plates, with tax and nct and I want to de-register the car. Who should I contact? I’ve tried to googled it but it has been unsuccesful, thank you.

Only an authorised end of life facility can do that I believe.

bazz26

What exactly do you mean by de-register? Do you intend to scrap the car or permanently export it abroad?

miketheDIYman

If you decide to scrap it - make sure to get a destruction cert from end of life facility !

Philb76

Do you mean take the car off the road to say store it or is this a wind up ðŸ˜

Easylambda23

I want to export car abroad to my country and then sell it on a parts.

Easylambda23

bazz26 wrote: »

What exactly do you mean by de-register? Do you intend to scrap the car or permanently export it abroad?

Well I want to export the car to my country and then sell it on breaking parts.

CiniO

Easylambda23 wrote: »

I want to export car abroad to my country and then sell it on a parts.

Then just do it.
No need or even possibility to deregister it.

Philb76

With all the expense with travel and fuel parts must be worth a few quid

Philb76

Philb76 wrote: »

With all the expense with travel and fuel parts must be worth a few quid

Might be doing the trip anyways.

Dia1988

What motor vehicle are we talking about here?

68 lost souls

Could be a nice vrt rebate in it

extra-ordinary_

Dia1988 wrote: »

What motor vehicle are we talking about here?

I guess a Toyota heading to Africa.

Easylambda23

CiniO wrote: »

Then just do it.
No need or even possibility to deregister it.

Well, but if it’s de-registered doesn’t it mean that I’ll avoid to paying the VRT? And also the law sais that If I want to export car abroad of the Ireland, the car must have NCT, but what if I want export damaged car unable to drive, what then?

gctest50

Easylambda23 wrote: »

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I’ll avoid to paying the VRT?

The other way around !

The VRT crew will (might) pay you

gctest50

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https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/guide-to-vrt/export-repayment-scheme/what-is-the-vrt-export-repayment-scheme.aspx

CiniO

Easylambda23 wrote: »

Well, but if it’s de-registered doesn’t it mean that I’ll avoid to paying the VRT? And also the law sais that If I want to export car abroad of the Ireland, the car must have NCT, but what if I want export damaged car unable to drive, what then?

OP - I think it will be easiest if you just tell us what kind of car are you looking at exporting, and where are you looking to export it.
And also if you're looking to exporting it by driving it, or having it transported?

That will help us to help you.

Easylambda23

gctest50 wrote: »

The other way around !

The VRT crew will (might) pay you

Well, so I don’t pay for anything if I want to export vehicle? that seems to be too simple, there must be a catch.

Easylambda23

CiniO wrote: »

OP - I think it will be easiest if you just tell us what kind of car are you looking at exporting, and where are you looking to export it.
And also if you're looking to exporting it by driving it, or having it transported?

That will help us to help you.

I am looking for brands like skoda, vw, seat, opel. There is a lot of these in Slovakia and people there are looking for breaking parts. I want them to be transported by someone.

gctest50

Easylambda23 wrote: »

Well, so I don’t pay for anything if I want to export vehicle? that seems to be too simple, there must be a catch.

If your car has a valid NCT, they will pay you

( THE MINIMUM QUALIFYING OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE (OMSP) IS €2000 )

form here :

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/documents/vrt/form-vrter2.pdf

gctest50

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dr.fuzzenstein

CiniO wrote: »

Then just do it.
No need or even possibility to deregister it.

The absolute puzzlement and bewildered comments on this thread are hilarious.
To the others, in any other European country you can and have to deregister your car if you want to put it off the road or into storage for a while.
In Ireland of course there is no possibility to do that.
There is still a Transit Connect somewhere in Eastern Europe that's got an Irish reg on it, because I could not officially sell it to the guy, I couldn't deregister it, because there are no official Irish scrapyards in Germany and my request to just deregister the damn thing already brought forth nothing but weeks of phonecall with absolutely baffled administrators.
"You want to what your car? Why? You've done what? Huh? I'm sorry, I don't understand, where is the car? Well who did you sell it to? What? You can't do that!"

Best advise I can give you OP is to "sell" the car to it's new owner, Donald Trump who happens to live at your address (and promptly moved out), then all tickets are due to the phantom owner, not you.
Sometimes bureaucracy is set up in a way that there is no honest way out.

Easylambda23

gctest50 wrote: »

If your car has a valid NCT, they will pay you

( THE MINIMUM QUALIFYING OPEN MARKET SELLING PRICE (OMSP) IS €2000 )

form here :

https://www.revenue.ie/en/importing-vehicles-duty-free-allowances/documents/vrt/form-vrter2.pdf

Well but I don’t want to reregistrate car anymore I want to sell it on breaking parts and it sais “For vehicles exported to another member State, please attach, where possible, a copy of the Vehicle Registration Certificate and any other official documentation obtained from the country of re-registration. Copies are acceptable”

Nuw

Looks to me that you want to break cars and sell the parts to another country. My understanding is that there is two ways to go about this, either you need to scrap it here (effectively de-registering it). To do so you need to register yourself as a scrapper (or find some sort of agreement with an existing one), then break it and sell the parts.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/buying_or_selling_a_vehicle/how_to_dispose_of_an_end_of_life_vehicle.html

Or you export the car to the country you want, register it there and then scrap it (legislation of which will depend on said country) and break it there.

Esel

I wonder how many of the cars exported to Africa are 'deregistered'?

Mark74

Easylambda23 wrote: »

Well but I don’t want to reregistrate car anymore I want to sell it on breaking parts and it sais “For vehicles exported to another member State, please attach, where possible, a copy of the Vehicle Registration Certificate and any other official documentation obtained from the country of re-registration. Copies are acceptable”

please attach, where possible, a copy of the Vehicle Registration Certificate

Easylambda23

Nuw wrote: »

Looks to me that you want to break cars and sell the parts to another country. My understanding is that there is two ways to go about this, either you need to scrap it here (effectively de-registering it). To do so you need to register yourself as a scrapper (or find some sort of agreement with an existing one), then break it and sell the parts.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/travel_and_recreation/motoring_1/buying_or_selling_a_vehicle/how_to_dispose_of_an_end_of_life_vehicle.html

Or you export the car to the country you want, register it there and then scrap it (legislation of which will depend on said country) and break it there.

And if I break car here and export parts to my country and the rest of car I’ll scrap here.

bazz26

Assuming these cars are registered to you then you may still need to get a certificate of destruction from the breaker's yard for the shell you give them.

CiniO

Lots of different opinions on this thread, many contradicting each other.
But lets look at few facts.

1. While I'm not sure about legal requirements in relation to properly utilising end of life vehicles at registered scrapping/dismantling facilities, fact is that there is completely no enforcement on those laws (that's assuming they exist). So in short, there's plenty of people in Ireland, who literally strip their vehicles into parts in their gardens, sell the parts, and scrap the remaining metal. There are no consequences for doing so, unlike in other EU countries where doing it without being registered dismantler is illlegal and enforced.

2. VRT repayment scheme, which some posters mentioned, allows one to reclaim VRT on expirting a vehicle, but vehicle would need to worth more than €2000 accoring to revenue, and it would need to be re-registered in country of destination. That's not what OP was planning to do, so it doesn't apply to him.

3. What OP is worried is probably that he will suffer consequences for just taking car abroad and dismantling in a form of fines for overdue tax, insurance, etc. That's actually not the case in Ireland.

CiniO

Easylambda23 wrote: »

I am looking for brands like skoda, vw, seat, opel. There is a lot of these in Slovakia and people there are looking for breaking parts. I want them to be transported by someone.

OK. I think I get your idea.
You want to buy cars for cheap here (ideally crashed or with some defects making them worth little in Ireland) and have them transported on a truck or something to Slovakia, where you could dismantle them and sell for parts.
Sounds like a good idea if you can make it cheap enough to make money out of it.

What you mentioned about need for NCT when exporting a car only relates to VRT repeyment scheme, which won't apply to you. Don't need to worry about it.

In short you can just buy a car, pack it on a truck and bring it in Slovakia. There's nothing more you need to do.

People you'll be buying those cars from, might want to transfer ownership into your name though. Do you have address in Ireland? If so - just have them registered in your name at your address.
If you don't live in Ireland and don't have address, then you might inform sellers, that you're exporting cars abroad, and take Registration Cert with you - however some sellers might be wary to do it.

In short - there's no need to worry about deregistering cars in Ireland.

wexie

CiniO wrote: »

In short you can just buy a car, pack it on a truck and bring it in Slovakia. There's nothing more you need to do.

People you'll be buying those cars from, might want to transfer ownership into your name though. Do you have address in Ireland? If so - just have them registered in your name at your address.
If you don't live in Ireland and don't have address, then you might inform sellers, that you're exporting cars abroad, and take Registration Cert with you - however some sellers might be wary to do it.

In short - there's no need to worry about deregistering cars in Ireland.

And then, if you were so inclined and know the right people, you could make a bit of extra cash selling on the logbooks and identities of cars that now no longer exist on the Irish roads....

the system really is too bizarre

CiniO

wexie wrote: »

And then, if you were so inclined and know the right people, you could make a bit of extra cash selling on the logbooks and identities of cars that now no longer exist on the Irish roads....

the system really is too bizarre

Fully agree.
I even created a thread here about that a while ago - about lack of requirement to end up vehicle life properly.
But I was quite bashed that there is no need for any changes in that regards.

Easylambda23

CiniO wrote: »

OK. I think I get your idea.
You want to buy cars for cheap here (ideally crashed or with some defects making them worth little in Ireland) and have them transported on a truck or something to Slovakia, where you could dismantle them and sell for parts.
Sounds like a good idea if you can make it cheap enough to make money out of it.

What you mentioned about need for NCT when exporting a car only relates to VRT repeyment scheme, which won't apply to you. Don't need to worry about it.

In short you can just buy a car, pack it on a truck and bring it in Slovakia. There's nothing more you need to do.

People you'll be buying those cars from, might want to transfer ownership into your name though. Do you have address in Ireland? If so - just have them registered in your name at your address.
If you don't live in Ireland and don't have address, then you might inform sellers, that you're exporting cars abroad, and take Registration Cert with you - however some sellers might be wary to do it.

In short - there's no need to worry about deregistering cars in Ireland.

Yes, that’s exactly what I want to do. So let’s say, I buy a car, without NCT I load it into the lorry and transport it directly to Slovakia. That’s all? So I don’t need any documents when me or my driver will passing through borders? Yes I have adress in Ireland, I am living here for couple of years. So none will care if the car will just disappear from Ireland and will be dismantled on breaking parts?

wexie

Easylambda23 wrote: »

So I don’t need any documents when me or my driver will passing through borders?

I'm not sure about borders to be honest, but I'd imagine once you can prove you own the cars ie. they're not stolen, that should be it really.

Easylambda23 wrote: »

So none will care if the car will just disappear from Ireland and will be dismantled on breaking parts?

Nobody would even know....they'd have no way of knowing

CiniO

Easylambda23 wrote: »

Yes, that’s exactly what I want to do. So let’s say, I buy a car, without NCT I load it into the lorry and transport it directly to Slovakia. That’s all?

Pretty much it.

So I don’t need any documents when me or my driver will passing through borders?

You might be better of having car's registration cert as a proof that car is not stolen.
That shouldn't be a problem, as once you buy a car, you can transfer ownerhship into your name and you'll have registartion cert for the car in your name.

Yes I have adress in Ireland, I am living here for couple of years. So none will care if the car will just disappear from Ireland and will be dismantled on breaking parts?

I don't think so.

Easylambda23

wexie wrote: »

I'm not sure about borders to be honest, but I'd imagine once you can prove you own the cars ie. they're not stolen, that should be it really.



Nobody would even know....they'd have no way of knowing

Well, I had non taxed car once and after few months the guy came up and took my car and if I didn’t get rid of it I would be fined. So I am curious what if they show up again, but there won’t be any car, what then? Can they fined me or want some explication of what happened to car?

Easylambda23

CiniO wrote: »

Pretty much it.


You might be better of having car's registration cert as a proof that car is not stolen.
That shouldn't be a problem, as once you buy a car, you can transfer ownerhship into your name and you'll have registartion cert for the car in your name.

Well and if I will not be the one who carries the vehicles?

wexie

Easylambda23 wrote: »

Well, I had non taxed car once and after few months the guy came up and took my car and if I didn’t get rid of it I would be fined. So I am curious what if they show up again, but there won’t be any car, what then? Can they fined me or want some explication of what happened to car?

That must have been if it was parked on a public road no?

I've several cars parked in my shed at the moment without tax and it's not a bother.

You'll get some reminders for tax, then a letter saying that if you don't tax it now the details of the car will be passed onto the gardai and then nothing. There is no requirement for a car to be taxed if it's not on public roads.

Easylambda23

wexie wrote: »

That must have been if it was parked on a public road no?

Yes it was parked on public road. Thank you for your answers!

mickdw

Yep just buy the car here, change into your name so you have ownership cert then export or buy car, strip for suitable parts, transport the parts in bulk to slovakia then weigh in the shell here from which you should get an end of life cert plus a few quid.

dr.fuzzenstein

I wonder...
It does appear to me that when you sell a car, you just fill out name and address of the new owner.
If the new owner was a fictional entity at a valid address that one had access to, couldn't I just fill in:

Mr Ball S. Ack
35a A.N. Other Street
Terminfeckin

Collect new Document Registered to Mr Ack and keep in safe place?
Any later queries regards tax, insurance, NCT or whatever surely would be for the attention of my good friend Ball, who unfortunately has moved to an undisclosed address and cannot be found, awfully sorry...

Isambard

CiniO wrote: »

Lots of different opinions on this thread, many contradicting each other.
But lets look at few facts.

1. While I'm not sure about legal requirements in relation to properly utilising end of life vehicles at registered scrapping/dismantling facilities, fact is that there is completely no enforcement on those laws (that's assuming they exist). So in short, there's plenty of people in Ireland, who literally strip their vehicles into parts in their gardens, sell the parts, and scrap the remaining metal. There are no consequences for doing so, unlike in other EU countries where doing it without being registered dismantler is illlegal and enforced.

2. VRT repayment scheme, which some posters mentioned, allows one to reclaim VRT on expirting a vehicle, but vehicle would need to worth more than €2000 accoring to revenue, and it would need to be re-registered in country of destination. That's not what OP was planning to do, so it doesn't apply to him.

3. What OP is worried is probably that he will suffer consequences for just taking car abroad and dismantling in a form of fines for overdue tax, insurance, etc. That's actually not the case in Ireland.

they aren't saying that the vehicle needs to have an OMSP of more than €2000, they are saying that's the minimum the VRT is calculated on a minimum of €2000 same as when you import a car, you pay VRT based on that minimum