Is it perfectly accpetable to tell your superviser your unhappy with your current sal

thetimeisnow

In my current position 10 years, my basic salary has gone up 4.5k in that time. I make very good money because of  the shift and callout rates I get but my basic salary is quite modest for someone with my experience . I recently found out my shift partner who was doing his leaving cert at the time I started with this company is on a basic salary of 5.5k more than me. This is a disgrace and unacceptable to me so I am wondering if it would be worth saying it to my boss, this company has a high turn over of staff and theres a trend there of them offering people more money after they have gone and gotten another job offer so Im wondering if it be worth mentioning it to them before I go this route?

TomOnBoard

thetimeisnow wrote: »

In my current position 10 years, my basic salary has gone up 4.5k in that time. I make very good money because of  the shift and callout rates I get but my basic salary is quite modest for someone with my experience . I recently found out my shift partner who was doing his leaving cert at the time I started with this company is on a basic salary of 5.5k more than me. This is a disgrace and unacceptable to me so I am wondering if it would be worth saying it to my boss, this company has a high turn over of staff and theres a trend there of them offering people more money after they have gone and gotten another job offer so Im wondering if it be worth mentioning it to them before I go this route?

Absolutely tell them!! But timing is key! Have some other irons in the fire first so you'll have a better idea of your value.

You say you salary has gone up by 4.5 in 10 years. What % increase is that?

dreamers75

Have you asked before?

If not , why not?

If someone tries to jobmail me into a pay rise i tell "best of luck in your next job I hope it works out for you" and thats the end of that as far as i concerned.

Its a stupid thing to do, best way to get a pay rise is simply state your case with facts. For some people it may be easy/hard depends on them. But most likely someone will have to justify you getting an increase during a budgeted year (assumption) it may may as well start with you.

thetimeisnow

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Absolutely tell them!! But timing is key! Have some other irons in the fire first so you'll have a better idea of your value.

You say you salary has gone up by 4.5 in 10 years. What % increase is that?

15%

thetimeisnow

dreamers75 wrote: »

Have you asked before?

If not , why not?

If someone tries to jobmail me into a pay rise i tell "best of luck in your next job I hope it works out for you" and thats the end of that as far as i concerned.

Its a stupid thing to do, best way to get a pay rise is simply state your case with facts. For some people it may be easy/hard depends on them. But most likely someone will have to justify you getting an increase during a budgeted year (assumption) it may may as well start with you.

Is market rate not a justifiable reason

TomOnBoard

thetimeisnow wrote: »

15%

How much of that happened in the last 3,2and 1years?

thetimeisnow

very little

TomOnBoard

Are there any issues around your performance or behaviour etc that are being held against you? If not, and you're performing as well as the other person with whom you compared yourself earlier, someone appears to be taking you for granted.

Are you the type of person who doesnt stand up for yourself?

thetimeisnow

There  were issues regarding my performance during the previous managment regime which were totally unjusitifed as far as im concerned . As soon as that cancerous tem of mangement left my review came back to normal standards . I was getting good reviews for 6 years , there was a 2-3 year blip which in my opinion was unjustifed . Ive a new TL and Manager now 2 years and my reviews have been great , further proving my point about the bad reviews

TomOnBoard

thetimeisnow wrote: »

There  were issues regarding my performance during the previous managment regime which were totally unjusitifed as far as im concerned . As soon as that cancerous tem of mangement left my review came back to normal standards . I was getting good reviews for 6 years , there was a 2-3 year blip which in my opinion was unjustifed . Ive a new TL and Manager now 2 years and my reviews have been great , further proving my point about the bad reviews

Ok. Assuming you're in tune with how your managers/TL sees you, and that your company is doing OK financially, I'd be sitting down tomorrow with a blank sheet of paper and list every positive and negative about how you're doing your job, together with how valuable you are to the company. Assuming there'll be waaay more plusses than minuses, boil it all down to 3 or 4 major plusses and the one big negative.That negative is food for yourself to plan for improvement. The plusses are the things you should discuss with your managers as your reasons for a raise, which appears to be looong overdue!!

dreamers75

thetimeisnow wrote: »

Is market rate not a justifiable reason

It is and it isnt, what if there is no budget for an increase?

Tbh its going to depend on your attitude. I would suggest being direct and clear and consise aas in dont shout " GIMME MORE MONIES COS I WANTS THEM".

Simply say "i feel I should get a rise because X and Y and Z".

If you havent asked before management has probably assumed you are happy as is and why increase spend if someone is happy?

OMM 0000

There's no way 2 - 3 years of bad reviews are unjustified.

I see this continuously on this website - people cannot accept their performance is a problem. The issue is always that managers are evil.

But it sounds like you've turned things around.

The reality is you generally have to ask for a raise or promotion to get it. Work isn't like school, where if you do X you get Y. In work you need to use soft skills to get what you want.

So just go have a reasonable discussion with your employer about a pay rise. Be prepared for them to say no.

Cyrus

Also what someone else is paid isn’t a good negotiation tactic you need to justify why you should get paid more irrespective of what anyone else is paid

TomOnBoard

Cyrus wrote: »

Also what someone else is paid isn’t a good negotiation tactic you need to justify why you should get paid more irrespective of what anyone else is paid

It a relevant fact and a useful metric that should be used as one of a number of areas for discussion.

OMM 0000

Cyrus wrote: »

Also what someone else is paid isn’t a good negotiation tactic you need to justify why you should get paid more irrespective of what anyone else is paid

I hate when employees use this as a way to get more money.

There's always a reason someone else is paid more than you:

He is smarter/more skilled/more reliable/more efficient/better educated/has better negotiation skills.

Saying I want X because she earns X is a terrible negotiation tactic.

I am much more likely to respond to you doing a good job, you explaining your personal situation (e.g. you have a mortgage and kid now and money is tight), and you explaining the good things you've done and what you hope to achieve in the future.

But I may not have the budget for your pay rise. That isn't me being evil. I have to work within my budget.

Cyrus

TomOnBoard wrote: »

It a relevant fact and a useful metric that should be used as one of a number of areas for discussion.

No it’s not for a number of reasons some of which the next poster has pointed out it’s also one way to make sure you won’t get a pay rise

thetimeisnow

OMM 0000 wrote: »

There's no way 2 - 3 years of bad reviews are unjustified.

I see this continuously on this website - people cannot accept their performance is a problem. The issue is always that managers are evil.

But it sounds like you've turned things around.

The reality is you generally have to ask for a raise or promotion to get it. Work isn't like school, where if you do X you get Y. In work you need to use soft skills to get what you want.

So just go have a reasonable discussion with your employer about a pay rise. Be prepared for them to say no.

What a very naive and condescending post

Believe me they were unjustified

1. How about the fact my 6 monthly reviews were positive?

2. How about the fact I went from 1 year to the next with no negative feedback at 1:1s

3.The fact a cancerous clique of a management team leaves and when I get a new manager and team leader my performance reviews do a complete 180 speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned

OMM 0000

thetimeisnow wrote: »

What a very naive and condescending post

Believe me they were unjustified

1. How about the fact my 6 monthly reviews were positive?

2. How about the fact I went from 1 year to the next with no negative feedback at 1:1s

3.The fact a cancerous clique of a management team leaves and when I get a new manager and team leader my performance reviews do a complete 180 speaks volumes as far as I'm concerned

I'm quoting what you said: there was a 2-3 year "blip" where your reviews were bad.

But of course, the problem was the entire management team, and had nothing to do with you.

Obviously you can have months or years where your performance is good. The opposite is also true.

You really need to consider the possibility that your low wage (compared to your colleagues) and your poor performance reviews might have something to do with you. Otherwise you may continue being stuck in your current situation.

thetimeisnow

how about this scenario

Im in the job 10 years

Graduates are starting on 5k more than me

TomOnBoard

thetimeisnow wrote: »

how about this scenario

Im in the job 10 years

Graduates are starting on 5k more than me

So, did you make your case to the manager last week?

Cyrus

thetimeisnow wrote: »

how about this scenario

Im in the job 10 years

Graduates are starting on 5k more than me

I’d be asking questions of myself if that was the case

jimmycrackcorm

OMM 0000 wrote:

There's no way 2 - 3 years of bad reviews are unjustified.

There is in the ops case where there is poor management who typically try to get blood out of a stone as their performance metric. There are good managers and bad.

OMM 0000 wrote:

I hate when employees use this as a way to get more money. There's always a reason someone else is paid more than you:

He is smarter/more skilled/more reliable/more efficient/better educated/has better negotiation skills.

The most common case is having to hire new employees at market rate while just assuming existing employees will stay at the same money or won't leave.

I've never asked for a salary raise. I simply change jobs. I have had counter offers to stay but I never took them precisely because watching other people come in at market rate.

Masala

I am in similar sutuation....bloke i know who works in a skilled engineering position recently headhunted but to keep him... management / directors increased his salary to meet the external offer. However ... this puts him ahead of me now in salary even though he is 'on the line' and I am senior management. I am fully aware of his new package and it annoys me that we are paying him to keep him and I am over looked.

Cyrus

Masala wrote: »

I am in similar sutuation....bloke i know who works in a skilled engineering position recently headhunted but to keep him... management / directors increased his salary to meet the external offer. However ... this puts him ahead of me now in salary even though he is 'on the line' and I am senior management. I am fully aware of his new package and it annoys me that we are paying him to keep him and I am over looked.

Well you know what you need to do then don’t you? An employer will always pay you the least amount that you will be happy to stay for

Masala

Cyrus wrote: »

Well you know what you need to do then don’t you? An employer will always pay you the least amount that you will be happy to stay for

Agreed.... have been mulling for a week now and gonna approach him on same this week. Gonna keep it cool and gonna use words like 'fairness' and 'loyalty'.

Let's see if they value me as much...... in my minds eye I think I am a vital cog in the wheel but often wondered if my employers feel that. I am 'steady eddie' always willing amd always there ( 20 odd years) and there is a probably a feeling 'sure.. where is gonna go'.

I gotta put on my poker face this week

Einstrahlung50

dreamers75 wrote: »

Have you asked before?

If not , why not?

If someone tries to jobmail me into a pay rise i tell "best of luck in your next job I hope it works out for you" and thats the end of that as far as i concerned.

Its a stupid thing to do, best way to get a pay rise is simply state your case with facts. For some people it may be easy/hard depends on them. But most likely someone will have to justify you getting an increase during a budgeted year (assumption) it may may as well start with you.

Best way to get a pay rise is to get an offer from elsewhere and tell them you earn more than you actually do. Either accept the offer from the new company or see if you get a counter offer. I'm earning exactly three times what I was earning six years ago thanks to these tactics.

Einstrahlung50

Masala wrote: »

Agreed.... have been mulling for a week now and gonna approach him on same this week. Gonna keep it cool and gonna use words like 'fairness' and 'loyalty'.

Let's see if they value me as much...... in my minds eye I think I am a vital cog in the wheel but often wondered if my employers feel that. I am 'steady eddie' always willing amd always there ( 20 odd years) and there is a probably a feeling 'sure.. where is gonna go'.

I gotta put on my poker face this week

I'd never mention fairness or loyalty, I think those words convey weakness, just tell your boss the number that you want as you believe that is your worth due to your skills and experience. Ideally have an offer from another company. Business isn't about fairness or loyalty.