Smashing Pumpkins -New Music

UrbanSprawl

Long awaited new music from the reformed mostly original lineup smashing pumpkins drops on Friday.
We wait and see if they can make an impact in 2018..

https://www.nova.ie/latest_news/smashing-pumpkins-will-release-new-single-friday-114228

According to Alt 92.9 Boston, The Smashing Pumpkins will release their new single 'Solara' on Friday

UrbanSprawl

Not too shabby

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx9ya42QLXs

collie0708

Ye I like it, considering going to see there London gig in October

UrbanSprawl

I imagine it will sell out in no time? although sales in the states not great so far Would be great to see them live though.They would sell out any stadium in Ireland.
I do think getting Chamberlin and Ida back has revitalized Billy,great performance on that american late show recently.

collie0708

Would love to see them come to Ireland but its unlikely, there seems to be plenty tickets available to for the gig in London.

Tickets steep at £95 each.

Seriously tempted to book flights and tickets

keane2097

Who's in the band now? Corgan, Chamberlain and Iha I gather - who's the fourth?

UrbanSprawl

The first recording in over 18 years to feature founding members Billy Corgan, James Iha, and Jimmy Chamberlin. Recorded in Malibu, CA at Shangri La Studios with producer Rick Rubin and longtime Smashing Pumpkins guitarist Jeff Schroeder.

I like the lyrics, work well with the music ..its definitely a moshing tune.

Anesthetize

collie0708 wrote: »

Would love to see them come to Ireland but its unlikely, there seems to be plenty tickets available to for the gig in London.

Tickets steep at £95 each.

Seriously tempted to book flights and tickets

If it's anything like their RDS gig in 2008, I wouldn't spend that amount of money to see them here.

AbusesToilets

How's Billy's voice sound? Feel like he tries to "improve" it nowadays, compared to the old records.

UrbanSprawl

AbusesToilets wrote: »

How's Billy's voice sound? Feel like he tries to "improve" it nowadays, compared to the old records.

Sounds fine to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRV1n00iga0

flasher0030

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

I imagine it will sell out in no time? although sales in the states not great so far Would be great to see them live though.They would sell out any stadium in Ireland.
I do think getting Chamberlin and Ida back has revitalized Billy,great performance on that american late show recently.

I think you're a bit of a biased fan there. ie that the band can do little wrong. Croke Park - 80k to 100k capacity (I think)?? I doubt if they would sell out 3Arena these days. I wouldn't pay 80 or 90 euro to see them anyway. Would pay 50 squids.

UrbanSprawl

flasher0030 wrote: »

I think you're a bit of a biased fan there. ie that the band can do little wrong. Croke Park - 80k to 100k capacity (I think)?? I doubt if they would sell out 3Arena these days. I wouldn't pay 80 or 90 euro to see them anyway. Would pay 50 squids.

I did adore them in the 90's but haven't kept with later releases or zwan or Billys solo stuff ,this reunion and the new tune has got my attention.I have never seen them live and if London is as close as the come well then I would fork out.
Prehaps I have over estimated their appeal amongst the younger concert going fans.

ArrBee

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Sounds fine to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRV1n00iga0

Really?

Sounds like he is protecting it to me. Like he doesnt have that rawness that he had previously.

UrbanSprawl

ArrBee wrote: »

Really?

Sounds like he is protecting it to me. Like he doesnt have that rawness that he had previously.

Audio not great on this but no mistaking the vocals ..Billy has an odd sort of voice at the best of times.

Smashing Pumpkins Today Live Troubadour 6.27.18

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23YTPEQT2ik

UrbanSprawl

Anesthetize wrote: »

If it's anything like their RDS gig in 2008, I wouldn't spend that amount of money to see them here.

Compare these two setlists

Last gig

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-smashing-pumpkins/2018/troubadour-west-hollywood-ca-5bea1370.html

2008 Dublin

https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/the-smashing-pumpkins/2008/rds-main-hall-dublin-ireland-63d67eeb.html

Being Honest I don't know half the songs on the 2008 setlist.
3 gish tunes what a way to start!

S.M.B.

Had little interest in seeing this reunion based on the last time I saw the previous line up but those setlists may have turned my head.

And are tickets not £69? Or was it standing that was £95?

collie0708

Looks like most of the tickets left start at £95 before service charge etc really expensive. However always wanted to see them live.

UrbanSprawl

general admission is 95 adds up to 113 but its gonna be worth it ..i wouldn't bank on this line up remaining together too long
..do I want a 1996 version of these guys yeah I do ..I have little interest in what they did in the last decade and to hear a mostly 90;s set....they played dublin in 2008? I did not even know that tbh.why was it rubbish? .was their previous visit when the fan died at the gig?

S.M.B.

They played the olympia just before or after Adore was released. Was raging as tickets sold out before I could get my hands on some.

S.M.B.

And from what I can see the £95 standing tickets are gold circle standing (or should be) as there were standard GA tickets for £69 that are all sold out.

I can find £49 seating tickets at the very back.

UrbanSprawl

S.M.B. wrote: »

And from what I can see the £95 standing tickets are gold circle standing (or should be) as there were standard GA tickets for £69 that are all sold out.

I can find £49 seating tickets at the very back.

Erm yeah I hate seating at gigs I would only go for GA...stuck in a seat?

collie0708

I have booked golden circle tickets tonight, hopefully its a great gig. Always wanted to see them during the 90’s as they were my favorite band

UrbanSprawl

collie0708 wrote: »

I have booked golden circle tickets tonight, hopefully its a great gig. Always wanted to see them during the 90’s as they were my favorite band

Cool hope to be doing likewise soon..when I try to book it rejects my postcode,tried a few different things.I had no trouble getting a ticket for idles using the same postcode but Ive emailed tixmaster about it..I would love if they have metric as support always wanted to see them live...not sure has support being announced for London?

collie0708

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Cool hope to be doing likewise soon..when I try to book it rejects my postcode,tried a few different things.I had no trouble getting a ticket for idles using the same postcode but Ive emailed tixmaster about it..I would love if they have metric as support always wanted to see them live...not sure has support being announced for London?

Have you tried booking via the link on the smashing pumpkins website?
The link takes you straight to the Wembley arena website and it accepted my eircode no prob at all.

Return flights out of Gatwick are €40 return and the premier inn which is nearby is only £69 for the night.

UrbanSprawl

collie0708 wrote: »

Have you tried booking via the link on the smashing pumpkins website?
The link takes you straight to the Wembley arena website and it accepted my eircode no prob at all.

Return flights out of Gatwick are €40 return and the premier inn which is nearby is only £69 for the night.

Sorted now,ta for tip!
Gold circle as well ,whats different about this than regular standing,seem to have being assigned a row number?

collie0708

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Sorted now,ta for tip!
Gold circle as well ,whats different about this than regular standing,seem to have being assigned a row number?

I assume we are just standing in the area closest to the stage and the code is just for admin purposes.....

Really hope it’s a good gig and lives up to expectations

UrbanSprawl

I'm sure it will be ,a long time since I spent that much on one band but I am not interested in them touring with a new album and coming to Dublin, so this works well.

Sheridan81

New video is so bad it's good.

s7ryf3925pivug

I think finding out Billy Corgan is a wing nut conspiracy theorist Alex Jones fan might have affected how I respond to this music. I cannot identify with it I guess...Or maybe it really just is a bit mechanical and sh!t.

UrbanSprawl

Kassandra Poor Trigonometry wrote: »

I think finding out Billy Corgan is a wing nut conspiracy theorist Alex Jones fan might have affected how I respond to this music. I cannot identify with it I guess...Or maybe it really just is a bit mechanical and sh!t.

its an awesome video I thought ,,,I didn't post it cos I assumed most people had seen it by now . so now the politics come into and corgan thinking trump is not a bad president ?

RicketyCricket

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

its an awesome video I thought ,,,I didn't post it cos I assumed most people had seen it by now . so now the politics come into and corgan thinking trump is not a bad president ?

I'd take everything Corgan says with a pinch of salt. He knows how to work the media. If he says something daft or unpopular, the media jump all over it and he gets his name out there. Love the new video. Compliments the song very well. Wasn't a big fan of it at first but its grown on me.

Dr. Bre

Remember Corgan said he saw a shapeshifting lizard. That was odd

Sheridan81

I've watched the video three times and It's made me laugh every time so if it's comedy Billy was going for he's succeeded with me.

UrbanSprawl

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Remember Corgan said he saw a shapeshifting lizard. That was odd

not really ..link to Corgan when said he saw a shapeshifting lizard?

UrbanSprawl

Sheridan81 wrote: »

I've watched the video three times and It's made me laugh every time so if it's comedy Billy was going for he's succeeded with me.

Look past billy ..what do you think is the purpose of having the cage in the early shots?

s7ryf3925pivug

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

not really ..link to Corgan when said he saw a shapeshifting lizard?

https://www.nme.com/news/music/billy-corgan-shapeshifter-2151029

If someone’s hallucinating then that’s unfortunate, not something to demonize them over. However I feel comfortable in saying he’s a prick when he reacts by insisting it was real, and lying that other people confirmed it (..or maybe he just lacks any sense of irony).

Sheridan81

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Look past billy ..what do you think is the purpose of having the cage in the early shots?

Yeah i noticed some symbolism (when I wasn't busy laughing) but the video is ridiculous; the shabby goths at the end, Jeff and Jimmy playing Connect 4, the mime's silly face close-up, the guy with the different coloured eyebrows, the fat bloke in his underwear in the pool, the bunny, the guy dancing in the background who looks like Brian Molko, the old woman pointing prophetically, all while a chubby, washed-up 51 year old walks around in a silver skirt making facial expressions of torment and intrigue. It's comedy gold. I'm going to watch it again now for another laugh.

Billy is done as a serious artist in my opinion. It's a shame because I just can't relate to him anymore and it pollutes my appreciation of the old classic Pumpkins.

RicketyCricket

Sheridan81 wrote: »

Yeah i noticed some symbolism (when I wasn't busy laughing) but the video is ridiculous; the shabby goths at the end, Jeff and Jimmy playing Connect 4, the mime's silly face close-up, the guy with the different coloured eyebrows, the fat bloke in his underwear in the pool, the bunny, the guy dancing in the background who looks like Brian Molko, the old woman pointing prophetically, all while a chubby, washed-up 51 year old walks around in a silver skirt making facial expressions of torment and intrigue. It's comedy gold. I'm going to watch it again now for another laugh.

Billy is done as a serious artist in my opinion. It's a shame because I just can't relate to him anymore and it pollutes my appreciation of the old classic Pumpkins.

From that post it seems like you had made up your mind about any new Pumpkins stuff before you'd heard or seen it.

UrbanSprawl

Sheridan81 wrote: »

Yeah i noticed some symbolism (when I wasn't busy laughing) but the video is ridiculous; the shabby goths at the end, Jeff and Jimmy playing Connect 4, the mime's silly face close-up, the guy with the different coloured eyebrows, the fat bloke in his underwear in the pool, the bunny, the guy dancing in the background who looks like Brian Molko, the old woman pointing prophetically, all while a chubby, washed-up 51 year old walks around in a silver skirt making facial expressions of torment and intrigue. It's comedy gold. I'm going to watch it again now for another laugh.

Billy is done as a serious artist in my opinion. It's a shame because I just can't relate to him anymore and it pollutes my appreciation of the old classic Pumpkins.

Its not the worse video I have seen and more importantly the track is quality.
I would withhold critiquing them until we see how this tour goes. Kicking off in 3 days!

UrbanSprawl

Youtube comment!

Giuliano Camiolo.
1 week ago (edited)
To my understanding the meaning of the video:

When the video starts, Billy is wearing black and in a position similar to Ava Adore, he look towards a cage where a bird is trapped,
but actually is a drone meaning that he wants to evolve. Then there is a picture with the word "Dream", saying as I could become reality.
Then three blondes get in the room (I suppose a "D'Arcy or Courtney").
He is connected, traumatized and tied by the past, like James when he washes his hands on blood.
In the room where Jimmy and Jeff are playing there's a floor that looks like a chessboard, and Billy walks behind with a chainsaw.
Then in a close-up shot Jeff's jacket shows a hand of God with a chain touching an Adam's hand,
stating that even if the band evolves they couldn't escape from past.
Billy enters a blue delivery room where he sees something alive was bring to the world but now is invisible
but too much protected and valorated,
stating a relation to the Mellon Collie era, I suppose. (And he looks aside thinking: "Well it's over, leave this Mellon Collie obsession")
There he enters another room, with a picture of the same house,
with the word "Opportunity" stating that he wants to try new things and explore.
Then he exits by the back door of the same house, and you see him going out, being delivered by a stork, as if born again.
He walks over a new lighter future and take a flyer that say Freedom, again, the same house or in this case: a prison.
But he is being observed and vigilated by an executioner, stating that even if he wants to go ahead
with this he has to be careful and dont change too much, then an old woman (the past) cheers his growth and tells him where to go,
while the future is telling him not to go off at a tangent.
Then we see a old "Billy" looking like a sad and lazy clown and a young girl destroying those old but used until today "stereotypes".
While he's walking on the sidewalk a grumpy father don't let go the "new generation" and those kids don't make an effort to go neither.
Then a little zombie girl have fun with an innocent hula hoop, something that today will be considered boring.
He is watching sad people (fans) and wants to leave it behind, but he reaches the end of the alley and sees the house
where he has been and he will always be trapped.

UrbanSprawl

Tonight, tonight. Shiny and Oh So Bright tour begins.

https://twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin/status/1017456924206362624

Double C

Looks like the tour started off with a bang, going by the setlist at least

UrbanSprawl

Good reaction from fans on twitter,words like epic being bandied about.
Would prefer another few from gish only 2 songs and what is with the bowie/zeppelin covers.For a band with such a back catalogue hardly necessary.

Mickeroo

The new song isn't bad actually, found myself enjoying it despite low expectations. The quality went off a cliff after adore for me (though I did like Zwan).

That's a cracking setlist there in fairness.

collie0708

Some good footage of yesterday’s gig on YouTube. Overall I thought you were really good can’t wait for London now.

https://youtu.be/JxruZo9Uncw

collie0708

If anyone going to the London gig fancies meeting for a few beers before the gig give me a shout....

UrbanSprawl

collie0708 wrote: »

If anyone going to the London gig fancies meeting for a few beers before the gig give me a shout....

Cool,may well do.Haven't booked anything yet apart from the tickets ..just in case the tour falls to bits but looks like it's off to a good start!

collie0708

UrbanSprawl wrote: »

Cool,may well do.Haven't booked anything yet apart from the tickets ..just in case the tour falls to bits but looks like it's off to a good start!

I’m booked everything as the flights and hotels were so cheap, would be gutted if the tour fell apart as I never got to see them back in the day...

brevity

Anyone getting an Audioslave vibe from the song?

UrbanSprawl

brevity wrote: »

Anyone getting an Audioslave vibe from the song?

Not all that familiar with audioslave tbh

UrbanSprawl

omg those sp videos are extraordinary ..disarm the opener song its unreal