Speaking Irish to an gardai siochana

Sassygirl1999

Do the ags still speak Irish as part of their jobs? Can someone be arrested for refusing to speak English?

BrianBoru00

some do. No.

sexmag

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

Do the ags still speak Irish as part of their jobs? Can someone be arrested for refusing to speak English?

You have some serious gripe with the guards sassygirl1999

They need to speak English and 1 alternative European language I believe. And no you don't get arrested for refusing to speak English but they will have every right to bring you to the station and find an interpreter to speak to you if they suspect you've committed a crime

Sassygirl1999

sexmag wrote: »

You have some serious gripe with the guards sassygirl1999

They need to speak English and 1 alternative European language I believe. And no you don't get arrested for refusing to speak English but they will have every right to bring you to the station and find an interpreter to speak to you if they suspect you've committed a crime

I don't have any gripe with the gardai, is that why you sent me in a loveheart and love note to my inbox ?
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splinter65

If you can’t/choose not to speak English you will be asked to accompany the Garda to the Garda Station and wait while an interpreter comes so you can communicate in the language you choose.
Could be some wait and is no skin off the Gardas nose at all. They’re well used to it at this stage.

Samuel T. Cogley

Can I have a love note?

jaxxx

You'd want to be some **** though to do that. I'm far from our Mod deletion. Manners pls. police force's no.1 fan either, quite the opposite in fact, but I ain't gonna be a complete dick if I was required to speak to one. If you can speak English and you don't when questioned by a cop, then you're a **** plain and simple.


I'll leave it up to yourselves to work out what **** really is. Hint: it doesn't rhyme with duck.

Reati

splinter65 wrote: »

If you can’t/choose not to speak English you will be asked to accompany the Garda to the Garda Station and wait while an interpreter comes so you can communicate in the language you choose.
Could be some wait and is no skin off the Gardas nose at all. They’re well used to it at this stage.

If you can't speak English how can they ask you to come to station. Would they ring an interpreter on a phone at the roadside for example?

I assume given the amount of European people living here this has been encountered and they have a method for it.

GM228

sexmag wrote: »

They need to speak English and 1 alternative European language I believe.

Yes you must have two languages, one of which must be Irish or English, the other can be from any country, not just an EU state.

Herpes Free Since03

GM228 wrote: »

Yes you must have two languages, one of which must be Irish or English, the other can be from any country, not just an EU state.

I'm fairly fluent in Lingala... surely that wouldn't count?

Wanderer78

Our gardai have a tough job, and should be respected, as it's an extremely important job for the well being of our society. unfortunately, us being humans, we have a tendency to disrespect each other from time to time, including the gardai, all parties should try to be respectful to one another, always.

judeboy101

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Our gardai have a tough job, and should be respected, as it's an extremely important job for the well being of our society. unfortunately, us being humans, we have a tendency to disrespect each other from time to time, including the gardai, all parties should try to be respectful to one another, always.

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GM228

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

I'm fairly fluent in Lingala... surely that wouldn't count?

You have to prove your proficiency, assuming they had someone who could authenticate it then you would be good to go, probably not though.

I know in the courts themselves the Bantu languages are some of the rarest requiring an interpreter.

Peregrinus

Herpes Free Since03 wrote: »

I'm fairly fluent in Lingala... surely that wouldn't count?

It would, yes. The entry requirements stipulate proficiency in two languages, at least one of which must be Irish or English. The second language can be any language at all (including Irish or English). Lingala would certainly count.

This is just a basic eligibility requirement. They won't consider your application unless you satisfy this requirement. But it doesn't follow that in a competitive recruitment situation all languages will be equally advantageous to candidates. All other things being equal, candidates with proficiency in foreign languages more likely to be encountered in Ireland (Polish, Lithuanian, German, Yoruba, Cantonese, etc) might have an edge over candidates with proficiency in languages not so likely to be encountered.

Glass fused light

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

Do the ags still speak Irish as part of their jobs? Can someone be arrested for refusing to speak English?

The non-Irish speaking recruits (native or foreign) can avail of Irish lessons and would have to pass an exam as part of the training.
If the Garda had no reason to arrest the speaker other than the person speaking in Irish, then no arrest could be made for speaking in Irish as opposed to speaking in English.
Irish is the official language and if the person begins to communicate in Irish the Gardai can continue to deal with the person in Irish, so if the person committed an offence they should be only progress if they are confident that they could mount a court defence in Irish.

GM228

Glass fused light wrote: »

Irish is the official language

Irish and English are the official languages of the state. Irish is the national language and the first official language, but English is the second official language.

Glass fused light wrote: »

and if the person begins to communicate in Irish the Gardai can continue to deal with the person in Irish, so if the person committed an offence they should be only progress if they are confident that they could mount a court defence in Irish.

Being arrested in Irish has nothing to do with proceedings been held in Irish. If you insist on being arrested in Irish you do not have to mount your court defence in Irish, having proceedings held in Irish is your choice (and your right if you so wish), but it is not mandatory. In fact trying to force someone to hold their defence in Irish would be unconstitutional, the courts have recognised that whilst there is a right to hold proceedings in Irish that matters are "more rapidly and efficaciously dealt with" when using English.

Sassygirl1999

GM228 wrote: »

Irish and English are the official languages of the state. Irish is the national language and the first official language, but English is the second official language.





Being arrested in Irish has nothing to do with proceedings been held in Irish. If you insist on being arrested in Irish you do not have to mount your court defence in Irish, having proceedings held in Irish is your choice (and your right if you so wish), but it is not mandatory. In fact trying to force someone to hold their defence in Irish would be unconstitutional, the courts have recognised that whilst there is a right to hold proceedings in Irish that matters are "more rapidly and efficaciously dealt with" when using English.

summary justice is available in Irish?

Peregrinus

Sassygirl1999 wrote: »

summary justice is available in Irish?

Summary proceedings are available in Irish, if that's your question.

Glass fused light

GM228 wrote: »

Being arrested in Irish has nothing to do with proceedings been held in Irish. If you insist on being arrested in Irish you do not have to mount your court defence in Irish, having proceedings held in Irish is your choice (and your right if you so wish), but it is not mandatory. In fact trying to force someone to hold their defence in Irish would be unconstitutional, the courts have recognised that whilst there is a right to hold proceedings in Irish that matters are "more rapidly and efficaciously dealt with" when using English.

Was the use of english not more to do with jury based trials as the State could not guarantee a random selection of Irish speakers to from the jury selection pool and prescreening was not allowed? The solution was an Irish translator should be for provided to the defendent.
At what stage would the defendent have to decide what language is to be used. Would the judge not request clarity as to the expected language before proceedings start?

GM228

Glass fused light wrote: »

Was the use of english not more to do with jury based trials as the State could not guarantee a random selection of Irish speakers to from the jury selection pool and prescreening was not allowed? The solution was an Irish translator should be for provided to the defendent.
At what stage would the defendent have to decide what language is to be used. Would the judge not request clarity as to the expected language before proceedings start?

The use of English is more to do with that being the normal language carried on through the years of the judicial system (dating back potentially to the Battle of the Boyne 1691?), Irish became the minority language in Ireland I believe around 1800 or so and the modern Judicial system we have now (don't forget it's originally an English common law system) dates back to the reform of the judiciary in the 1870s when the High Court of Justice was formed. Something tells me Peregrinus will be able to give a better background in this regard as he has a great knowledge of the historical side I believe.

It is not for the judge to seek clarity, it is for the accused to assert the right of using Irish before proceedings.

Side question - has a judgement ever been published (originally) in Irish, I have never come across one.

Pat Mustard

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