social and working

ddub11

Hi,looking for information please. Working 40 hours taking home 360 euro and was thinking of cutting my hours andgoing on the social to make up the difference. Any body know how much the social pay if i went on a 24 hour contract . Hope that makes sense,thanks.

salmocab

assuming you managed to sort it out with them that they didnt just throw you out you could get 2 days social so 2/5 of the dole which is about 80 but I foresee you getting nothing as your the one cutting the hours. actually less depending on your age.
That was what I got years back but I think it may actually be down to 2/6 now I think about it.

Tiddlypeeps

I don't believe you will be entitled to anything if you voluntarily cut you hours. I imagine it's treated the same as quitting. If you are on a full time contract your place of work would need a valid reason to cut your hours without your agreement, and they would likely owe you some sort of compensation if they had to go down that road (depending on how long you have been working there).

Is there some reason you can't work full time? I ask because if it's an illness or something preventing you from working then you could have options. But just not wanting to work full time isn't likely to get you what you are after.

Westernyelp

ddub11 wrote:

Hi,looking for information please. Working 40 hours taking home 360 euro and was thinking of cutting my hours andgoing on the social to make up the difference. Any body know how much the social pay if i went on a 24 hour contract . Hope that makes sense,thanks.

I sincerely hope you are taking the p*ss

eeguy

Westernyelp wrote: »

I sincerely hope you are taking the p*ss

Less now.

OP, the social will probably call your employer to check who's decision it was to reduce hours.
You get nothing if it's your decision.

Creative83

ddub11 wrote: »

Hi,looking for information please. Working 40 hours taking home 360 euro and was thinking of cutting my hours andgoing on the social to make up the difference. Any body know how much the social pay if i went on a 24 hour contract . Hope that makes sense,thanks.

No, you most certainly cannot do that. You would be stuck on 24 hours with no money from the social.

ceo

Is there a particular reason you want to cut your hours?

ddub11

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

I don't believe you will be entitled to anything if you voluntarily cut you hours. I imagine it's treated the same as quitting. If you are on a full time contract your place of work would need a valid reason to cut your hours without your agreement, and they would likely owe you some sort of compensation if they had to go down that road (depending on how long you have been working there).

Is there some reason you can't work full time? I ask because if it's an illness or something preventing you from working then you could have options. But just not wanting to work full time isn't likely to get you what you are after.

To be honest im being treated like a piece of dirt regarding shifts im giving(late shifts,weekends etc)and im trying to see if i can do less hours which would result in less crap shifts.
I get what you say if i want hours cut than id not be entitled to anything but if i said i wanted to cut back in order to retrain/do a course i believe the social would accept this.

ddub11

Westernyelp wrote: »

I sincerely hope you are taking the p*ss

why do you think that?

ddub11

ceo wrote: »

Is there a particular reason you want to cut your hours?

Getting crap shifts so if i do less hours they.ll have to change me shifts

eeguy

ddub11 wrote: »

To be honest im being treated like a piece of dirt regarding shifts im giving(late shifts,weekends etc)and im trying to see if i can do less hours which would result in less crap shifts.
I get what you say if i want hours cut than id not be entitled to anything but if i said i wanted to cut back in order to retrain/do a course i believe the social would accept this.

No they won't.
You're looking for jobseekers benefit/assistance, which means you must be available to work, which you won't be if you're looking to do a course.

fritzelly

If you don't want to work full time hours then it's not up to the social to supplement your lifestyle
If the job is crap then change jobs.

And what makes you think working less hours will result in you not getting the crappy shifts - you'll probably end up doing every crappy shift!

ddub11

OK ,most people seem to think this is a non runner,fair enough thats why i asked ,to get some opinions and thanks to everyone.
Now my original question was how much id get if i went on shorter hours.
The reason i asked was because a workmate of mine had done exactly as i asked .They went from full time to part time and are supplemented by the social for the difference.
Now the workmate is female and she had a child and wanted to be with the child more often so she told the job and the social that was what she was doing.

So are we saying she can do it because she has a child?and because i don,t i cant?...im not looking for an argument here just clarity.

As i said this person cut her hours and is supplemented for the shortfall in hours by the social.

It is not maternity leave she is on shes just told the job she was going on 24 hour contract (other staff members have done the same ,,male staff)and they accepted this and the social pay her the difference.

eeguy

ddub11 wrote: »

It is not maternity leave she is on shes just told the job she was going on 24 hour contract (other staff members have done the same ,,male staff)and they accepted this and the social pay her the difference.

I'm open to correction but I'd say she didn't tell the social she was voluntarily cutting her hours. Either the social didn't ask, or someone in the job covered for her when they called looking for details.
I worked with a girl who did exactly the same, only she got stung when the social called work and the manager told them it was a voluntary reduction in hours.

St1mpMeister

ddub11 wrote: »

To be honest im being treated like a piece of dirt regarding shifts im giving(late shifts,weekends etc)and im trying to see if i can do less hours which would result in less crap shifts.
I get what you say if i want hours cut than id not be entitled to anything but if i said i wanted to cut back in order to retrain/do a course i believe the social would accept this.

If you had to quit a job due to bullying (or unfair-treatment) , this is perfectly valid and something I was able to claim myself when I went on welfare til I sorted a replacement job. You just need to explain how the current situation is affecting your health or well-being.

It is also dependent on who you meet for the interview I'd assume. Thankfully I had a sympathetic case officer!

In my case it was an outright quitting of the job, rather than reducing hours, so not sure if it will work in your case, but only way to find out is to go in and ask.

ddub11

fritzelly wrote: »

If you don't want to work full time hours then it's not up to the social to supplement your lifestyle
If the job is crap then change jobs.

And what makes you think working less hours will result in you not getting the crappy shifts - you'll probably end up doing every crappy shift!

Plenty of people work part time hours and are supplemented by the government,sometimes its not an option.

We pay our taxes while we work so that when the need comes for a bit of support from the government its there.

I worked 31 years before redundancy and paid my share so i think when i need support from the government im entitled to it just as any tax payer is.

Maybe me op came across as some whos looking for the easy option but thats not the case,im simply looking to make things easier for me to upskill/retrain in the extra free hours id gain.

splinter65

ddub11 wrote: »

To be honest im being treated like a piece of dirt regarding shifts im giving(late shifts,weekends etc)and im trying to see if i can do less hours which would result in less crap shifts.
I get what you say if i want hours cut than id not be entitled to anything but if i said i wanted to cut back in order to retrain/do a course i believe the social would accept this.

No they won’t accept it. That’s not how it works.

surrender monkey

I would say this person is claiming one parent family payment rather than jobseekers. It's a different payment and reducing your hours due to childcare commitments is allowed.

surrender monkey

I would say this person is claiming one parent family payment rather than jobseekers. It's a different payment and reducing your hours due to childcare commitments is allowed.

St1mpMeister

ddub11 wrote: »

I worked 31 years before redundancy and paid my share so i think when i need support from the government im entitled to it just as any tax payer is.

Certainly, but it's more about how you broach the subject.

If you had to quit your job due to bad treatment from management, you would probably qualify for JB, and then after you might be able to get part time work with the old employer again?

Might raise red flags, but I doubt it.