Hidden/subliminal messages

riffmongous

Do they work? I thought it was all bull****, but wiki seems to suggest there is some ambiguity to it rather than flat out saying it's quackery, and I didn't find any other trustworthy links during my 5 second google. Any mad feckers here believe in it?

Hey you, join the Navy! Although it's actually called the Naval Service in Ireland, but meh, you get the reference.And come to the History forum too while you are at it.

verycool

More pavlovian conditioning than subliminal messaging, but yes... *salivates.

LETHAL LADY

I remember my business studies teacher telling us it was banned in advertising.
Is it actually used anywhere now?

riffmongous

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I remember my business studies teacher telling us it was banned in advertising.
Is it actually used anywhere now?

On wiki it said they are banned in the UK

As to whether they are being used anywhere now.. closer than you might think.

corner of hells

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

I remember my business studies teacher telling us it was banned in advertising.
Is it actually used anywhere now?

It is , I think FedEx and one or two others have hidden messages in Thier names , though I could be imaging this.
Amazon has a smile , I think.
Ah feck it , I drank too much.

Black Swan

Swannie looks for hidden cheers between posts alternating with sips of Guinness.

LETHAL LADY

riffmongous wrote: »

On wiki it said they are banned in the UK

As to whether they are being used anywhere now.. closer than you might think.

corner of hells wrote: »

It is , I think FedEx and one or two others have hidden messages in Thier names , though I could be imaging this.
Amazon has a smile , I think.
Ah feck it , I drank too much.

Rented a movie on VHS from xtravision many years ago and there was an image of Sophie Dahl modeling lingerie on the catwalk in the middle of it. She was gaining recognition as a plus sized model at the time. Totally unrelated to the movie and if you blinked you'd have missed it. Wasn't taped over either. What was that all about?

Snotty

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Rented a movie on VHS from xtravision many years ago and there was an image of Sophie Dahl modeling lingerie on the catwalk in the middle of it. She was gaining recognition as a plus sized model at the time. Totally unrelated to the movie and if you blinked you'd have missed it. Wasn't taped over either. What was that all about?

Sure you didn't sit on the remote?

Birneybau

YVAN EHT NIOJ

LETHAL LADY

Snotty wrote: »

Sure you didn't sit on the remote?

Nah. Played it on SP and all.

riffmongous

LETHAL LADY wrote: »

Rented a movie on VHS from xtravision many years ago and there was an image of Sophie Dahl modeling lingerie on the catwalk in the middle of it. She was gaining recognition as a plus sized model at the time. Totally unrelated to the movie and if you blinked you'd have missed it. Wasn't taped over either. What was that all about?

Can you remember what was the actual movie?

LETHAL LADY

riffmongous wrote: »

Can you remember what was the actual movie?

No unfortunately. Just remember the oddness of the image.

kneemos

Isn't it all about brand awareness these days. Even if you aren't paying attention to to the ad the name of the company being constantly repeated means it sticks in your head and becomes the first one you think of when you need that product.

RobbingBandit

Birneybau wrote: »

YVAN EHT NIOJ

VOTE QUIMBY

RockDesk

Derren Brown did a programme years ago where he planted messages around the town and got 2 advertising executives to come to an office to design a poster. They designed basically the same thing and out in all the things he had planted around the place. They couldn't explain where they got the ideas from until he told them.

Peatys

corner of hells wrote: »

It is , I think FedEx and one or two others have hidden messages in Thier names , though I could be imaging this.
Amazon has a smile , I think.
Ah feck it , I drank too much.

Amazon also has an arrow pointing from a to z

TPD

RockDesk wrote: »

Derren Brown did a programme years ago where he planted messages around the town and got 2 advertising executives to come to an office to design a poster. They designed basically the same thing and out in all the things he had planted around the place. They couldn't explain where they got the ideas from until he told them.

He also did one where he used a camera trick to pretend he'd predicted the lottery using crowd wisdom. I'd take anything he's ever done with a pinch of salt.

AudreyHepburn

Birneybau wrote: »

YVAN EHT NIOJ

That creeps me out to this day.

In fact subliminal messages in general creep me out - to think we can be manipulated like that without knowing it.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Your brain processes a hell of a lot of information every day and you will remember just a small portion of it even that very evening.

Messags don't have to be subliminal, they just have to be frequent enoguh to continuous implant whatever message the sender wants. Case in point: tabloid newspapers.

corner of hells

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Your BrAin proCesses hell of a lot of informatiON every day and you will remember just a small portion of it even that very evening.

Messags don't have to be subliminal, they just have to be frequent enoguh to continuous implant whatever message the sender wants. Case in point: tabloid newspapers.

That's breakfast sorted.

Shenshen

I think we take in a lot more unconsciously than we'd be happy with if we had a conscious choice. However, I'm not entirely sure how "clear" this information is once it's in our brain. Colours and images as well as scents we can probably associate and recall, which may be an explanation for the weird experience of Deja Vus, but sentences spelled or read out backwards? No, I don't believe that.

Have you ever tried to memorise something you didn't understand, or a random sequence of letters or numbers? It's incredibly hard to do, yet people happily believe that we could do it subconsciously without any effort at all, and that our brain would then run a full decryption on it, make sense of it, and store it outside of our conscious memory.

Rechuchote

One of the famous ones was a Betty Boop cartoon in which our Bet appeared totally naked for a flash of a couple of frames - invisible to the naked (stitch) conscious eye, but visible to the lustful subconscious.

s7ryf3925pivug

PR and modern advertising grew from psychoanalysis and propaganda. It is all about manipulating you to want to buy their stuff or have weird emotional or sexual feelings about brands. It's more subtle and more effective than someone whispering in the background of an audio track or messages flashing up on a screen for a single frame, though I remember reading that the latter was successfully used to encourage people to buy popcorn when they experimented with it in a cinema.

El_Duderino 09

Yeah it’s everywhere if you start looking for it. It’s not as explicit as the old days where they would insert a slide saying drink coke into a movie before the interval. It’s more subtle but it’s there.

I was at a sports event yesterday. The television match official would review a try and the way they announced whether it’s a try or no try was on the big screen. It was s big wheel spinning around and it settled in try or no try. Guess what business was the main sponsor? A betting shop.

The cheerleaders were dressed in blue but didn’t have any advertising on their uniform. Then at halftime they came out with a huge flag for the other main sponsor and it was the sand colour as the uniform. So they created an association between their uniform and the sponsor. Every time they came out after a score, they subtly advertised the car company.

It’s more sophisticated than the old school stuff, but it’s all around.

Rechuchote

Not to conflate product placement - where films are full of the products of companies that pay for the film - and subliminal imaging…

Product placement: a friend's very smart 13-year-old, years back, was looking at a film, saw one product - say Coca-Cola; and then another product - say The Karate Kid showing on a screen in the background - and said "Doesn't Coke own Columbia pictures, that made The Karate Kid? He'd spotted two product placements by the same brand.

whiskeyman

verycool wrote: »

More pavlovian conditioning than subliminal messaging, but yes... *salivates.

Pavlov?

Was a dog involved?

It rings a bell...

Esel

The Hidden Persuaders by Vance Packard.

What Username Guidelines

There are a lot of psychological aspects used in design to create “better” experiences which may be considered subliminal.

For example, lots of online travel booking sites have moved from “only two rooms left!” (Scarcity trait) to “4 others looking” or “last booked 10 mins ago” as people put more emphasis on social aspect and FOMO involved in social media.

These tricks have existed in some form or another for years. Retail design psychology is fascinating too. Consider your local supermarket. Likely you enter at the bakery - brain smells bread, associates freshness with this, subconsciously assume everything in shop is fresh. Two most common items for people to buy are bread and milk. So they should be next to each other, right? But they put the milk in the far back corner. So you have to pass lots of other stuff like end-of-aisle offers, etc.

There’s so much of this going on every day, even more with most of us spending lots of time online.

endacl

If you play Ed Sheeran songs backwards, they’re still a bit sh1t.

the_pen_turner

a friend of mine used to work in a toy store running up to christmass
she told me that they would keep some of the shelves jammed full of toys if they didnt want to sell them and keep the ones they did half full on the shelves.
when the customer looked at the display it looked like the one they wanted to sell was selling a lot better than the one they didnt. halving the shelf half full made the customer think that they will be all gone if they dont buy now. . it also made them look propular

endacl

the_pen_turner wrote: »

it also made them look propular

Properly popular?

PARlance

endacl wrote: »

Properly popular?

Propeller.


They used to fly off the shelf.

Donald Trump

Very suspicious of this kind of thing.
Of course it probably exists everywhere and by it's very nature we are unaware
The marketing executives have been onto this thing for years.
Even simple things like supermarkets putting sweets at the checkouts

Filling our hearts and minds with thoughts that we think are our own
Ordinary people being controlled to create an elite class of leeches
Religion used to be the drug to control the masses, now replaced by consumerism

Too many people are giving away their private data for free.
Realise that every data point you provide gives them more ammo!
Ultimately, you are being affected by this every day and you don't know it
Maybe you are just a skeptic. In that case I would advise the following:
Please just read the first column of my message. It works

ablelocks

we just realised over the weekend that the kids have been waging a campaign over the last week or 2 in an attempt to persuade us to get a dog. Started with a toy dog being left on our bed every night, then dog pictures appearing on the walls, mentions of dogs and pets in their school and homework.

Then they went high tech - so dog wallpapers on phones and tablets, dog screensavers on the pc, websites being left open - 10-reasons-pets-are-good-for-kids from oprah.com is the latest one, search engine history populated with searches for "benefits of pets for kids" and "why it's good to have a pet growing up".

This morning, there is a cute toy dog left sitting on the window sill looking out the window for when we come home from work.

riffmongous

ablelocks wrote: »

we just realised over the weekend that the kids have been waging a campaign over the last week or 2 in an attempt to persuade us to get a dog. Started with a toy dog being left on our bed every night, then dog pictures appearing on the walls, mentions of dogs and pets in their school and homework.

Then they went high tech - so dog wallpapers on phones and tablets, dog screensavers on the pc, websites being left open - 10-reasons-pets-are-good-for-kids from oprah.com is the latest one, search engine history populated with searches for "benefits of pets for kids" and "why it's good to have a pet growing up".

This morning, there is a cute toy dog left sitting on the window sill looking out the window for when we come home from work.

That's cute! That sounds liminal though, and I presume they have already bombarded you for weeks with subliminal but you never realised, so all that's left now is the superliminal, hours and hours of nagging and tantrums

Get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog

jimgoose

That's all a load of rich creamery butter.

razorblunt

I remember the first time I saw Fight Club on video and there were a few subliminal cuts and I remember thinking "wtf" Brad Pitt was just there for a second.
The film obviously later goes on to talk about that technique and I felt stupid for wasting 10 minutes rewinding and pausing!

Thinking, Fast and Slow by Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences laureate Daniel Kahneman.

This book is well worth checking out.

diomed

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

There are a lot of psychological aspects used in design to create “better” experiences which may be considered subliminal.

For example, lots of online travel booking sites have moved from “only two rooms left!” (Scarcity trait) to “4 others looking” or “last booked 10 mins ago” as people put more emphasis on social aspect and FOMO involved in social media.

Not as good as "last of the choc-ices".

_Kaiser_

riffmongous wrote: »

That's cute! That sounds liminal though, and I presume they have already bombarded you for weeks with subliminal but you never realised, so all that's left now is the superliminal, hours and hours of nagging and tantrums

Get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog get a dog

reminds me of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Yc3hzVsBc

riffmongous

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

reminds me of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Yc3hzVsBc

That's exactly what I had in mind

greencap

There is some that goes on. But its not of the 'join the navy' variety.

Its more contextual. If you look at the referendum campaigns you'll see them work it.

The no side for example (and I'm not taking sides here) have really tried to associate themselves with all things young and modern. Their campaign could easily be construed as being one for their opposition, its all hip kids and right on fellow kids kind of stuff.

I've studied marketing the odd time across the years and some of the lengths they'll go to are dipping into the category of what you'd call 'subliminal' such as inferring quality with price (you'll drink a 2 euro can of beer over a 25 cent beer), or whats known as adjacency (putting your items next to the dolce and gabana and charging more).

They've used retina scanning on hundreds of volunteers in mock supermarket isles to find the best place to put products.

They make it their business to program you as much as possible, its worth a lot of money.

So yeah at least some form of subliminal messaging exists and seems to work going by the money marketers invest in it.



(also; just to even the yes/no score; I could be wrong about this but I was passing through Cabra and the yes posters seemed to done up to look more like republican posters, the font changed to something similar to sinn feins, the colors changed from purple and white to green and white - could be wrong, but thats the sort of thing that advertisers and marketers get up to, its kind of subliminal)

Ipso

It’s all about the illuminati.
https://ancient-code.com/we-are-surrounded-by-masonic-symbols-how-modern-logos-are-linked-to-secret-societies/

riffmongous

Ipso wrote: »

It’s all about the illuminati.
https://ancient-code.com/we-are-surrounded-by-masonic-symbols-how-modern-logos-are-linked-to-secret-societies/

That's an awful lot of coincidences :pac: