Selling cattle on DoneDeal

locky76

Any tips selling cattle on donedeal?
I've agreed the price and he is to collect on Saturday.

bogman_bass

Sounds like you don't need any tips if you got that far

Lady Haywire

I'd probably act differently depending on whether he's paying by cheque, cash or bank transfer. Though there's a fine line between being smart & being rude!
Cash i'd have no bother, count it twice check a couple at random for realness, give one back for luck and let them off.
Bank transfer, let them away!
Cheque is the awkward one. I know you're not supposed to do it but i'd probably hold the cards til it went through. Usually if they're agreeable to this they're ok.

L1985

Try do the transfer online. If they don't emphasise to them that they have to sign the transfer papers and send them back to the dept as well. We got caught where the guy never bothered and I didn't cop it until the TBH test!!!

charolais0153

L1985 wrote: »

Try do the transfer online. If they don't emphasise to them that they have to sign the transfer papers and send them back to the dept as well. We got caught where the guy never bothered and I didn't cop it until the TBH test!!!

You could have sent it back too

Mooooo

charolais0153 wrote: »

You could have sent it back too

Onus is on buyer according to permit. If not done online fill it out there and then and have envelope handy so it won't be forgotten

patsy_mccabe

Went through this myself last week. Sold a couple of breeding bulls at home. Guy wanted to take them there and then, as he had the trailer. He seemed genuine to me, but I thought it safer if I delivered them to him, about 30 mins away. He left me the cheque. I rang him soon after he left and asked him would he mind having a bank draft for me instead, and I'd hand him back the cheque. He said no bother.
When he was giving me the drafts, he explained that I should ask to see the receipts aswell as dodgy drafts wouldnt have receipts. I felt kinda bad not trusting him but I think he knows the story. For every 100 honest farmers out there, there's one dodgy one.

Relative of mine worked for years in a Credit Union. She was saying that now they won't give out money against lodged back drafts, as there are a lot of dodgy ones about.

L1985

charolais0153 wrote: »

You could have sent it back too

No the buyer has to sign it so I'd have had to forge his signature!!! I'd have gladly sent it back as caused a lot of hassle!!
And I didn't have his details in advance to do it so had to wait for it to arrive in the post then send it on to him.

Lady Haywire

L1985 wrote: »

No the buyer has to sign it so I'd have had to forge his signature!!! I'd have gladly sent it back as caused a lot of hassle!!

The trick is to sign it with your left hand with a different pen

L1985

Lady Haywire wrote: »

The trick is to sign it with your left hand with a different pen

In hindsight I should have done!!!

charolais0153

What we do if buyer is computer illiterate is let him collect the bull and we give card,he pays we give destination form,he signs department notification form and we send it .

whelan2

Lady Haywire wrote: »

The trick is to sign it with your left hand with a different pen

I always post the notification form when selling anything, then I know its done.

pickarooney

DungDeal more like

K.G.

Got caught lately with lads buying calves for export.they are still on my system and no answer to phone number i have for them

Western Pomise

You won’t always know someone from the buyers catchment area but if you find out where buyer is from and make a discreet phonecall to likes of a local Agri Store there you will get an idea of whether you are dealing with a decent person or not.

Dakota Dan

Mooooo wrote: »

Onus is on buyer according to permit. If not done online fill it out there and then and have envelope handy so it won't be forgotten

I bought heifers a few years ago off a neighbour and he said he'd send back the movement permit but he waited until after the deadline and I got the penalty and about 3 cattle inspections. Fairly annoying but nothing you can do about it.

patsy_mccabe

Why can't there be 2 copies of the Notification form, with both people sending them in. That way you don't have to reply on the other person.

Lady Haywire

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Why can't there be 2 copies of the Notification form, with both people sending them in. That way you don't have to reply on the other person.

Because knowing the department there'd be uproar because it would mean extra work spent checking if the movement was actually done.

whelan2

Bought a few calves a few weeks ago and I said I'd post the form. Other lad was going no I'll post the form. Real Mrs Doyle moment. He posted it.

Base price

Dakota Dan wrote: »

I bought heifers a few years ago off a neighbour and he said he'd send back the movement permit but he waited until after the deadline and I got the penalty and about 3 cattle inspections. Fairly annoying but nothing you can do about it.

The onus is on you the herd owner/keeper to ensure that your register (blue book or online register) is correct and in order.
The Sheriff will confirm this as he had a simular issue to us with DAFM and in both our cases it was due to deceased animals still showing (several months later) in the herd at the annual herd test. At the time the animals were collected by an approved knackery, fees paid at the time of collection and both receipts filled out - the official blue DAFM one and the knackery one. I had to deal with an officious DVO who told me bluntly (and cautioned me under some Act or another) that it was my responsibility to ensure that our register was in order. It didn't matter that I had both receipts for the dead calves or the cheque stub & bank statement showing payment. The DVO wanted me to sort it out with the knackery. At the time I protested our innocence as we had paid for a service that was provided by a company that they (DAFM) approved and (supposedly) regulated and therefore I shouldn't have too. Anyway, heel of the hunt I phoned the knackery and they were very apologetic and sorted it out the next day.

On the flip side the same DVO was very helpful sometime later when we had an issue with one calf outta a bunch of bought in calves. At the time I accepted the movement online, ticked all the tag numbers, printed off a hard copy and all was tickety boo until a few days before our annual test. As an aside I use the blue book register but I can view our herd profile on Agfood. I always check the cards against the blue book and sort the cards in ascending numerical order (last 3 digits) for our Vet. Our Vet phoned a few days before to confirm the number of animals to be tested and the number was out by one. Vet's print off had one less animal than we actually had
It turned out that it was a simple human error where someone misread a tag number. At the end of the day we all make mistakes.

patsy_mccabe

Guys, I bought a heifer today through Donedeal. The guy selling is an older farmer and doesn't use any of the online computer facilities. He asked me to do the transfer online. Am I right in saying that only the seller (Source Herd) can do this?
If so, is this the correct form (NBAS 31A) to use instead? Can I just print it and get him to sign it and then I'll send it away. Will they send another form then to me, to sign?

whelan2

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Guys, I bought a heifer today through Donedeal. The guy selling is an older farmer and doesn't use any of the online computer facilities. He asked me to do the transfer online. Am I right in saying that only the seller (Source Herd) can do this?
If so, is this the correct form (NBAS 31A) to use instead? Can I just print it and get him to sign it and then I'll send it away. Will they send another form then to me, to sign?

Yup. Use that form you can Fax it to speed things up. They should sent a 3 part form then to the seller