Motor tax - import

Av8or

I am going round in circles trying to calculate the amount of motor/road tax (not VRT) that will be levied on a diesel Iveco Daily Minibus (disabled) that I plan to import from the UK. My local Motor Tax Office have no idea. Their suggestion is to import it, then find out!!! The Motor Tax Office in Shannon were no help either. Being a 2012 vehicle, the only parameter used is the CO2 emissions, in grams per km. I have a copy of the UK registration certificate, which lists no CO2 figures but does list all the Emissions figures i.e. CO, HC, NOx PM, Particulates etc (It's a Euro 5 engine). Unfortunately, the minibus is not being used for PSV, so would not qualify for the flat PSV rate, so it's effectively a 'private' vehicle.

Anyone have any ideas?

Gregor Samsa

Maybe you can look up the CO2 emissions for it on this site:

http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/

Av8or

Thanks for that. That page does not list Iveco, but there is a vanfueldata page. Unfortunately, although it doesn't specifically quote the model, those with the same engine suggests 232g/km and there is no way that I am going to pay €2,350 road tax per year for a disabled minibus that is solely being used as a courtesy bus for our company.

phutyle wrote: »

Maybe you can look up the CO2 emissions for it on this site:

http://carfueldata.dft.gov.uk/

mullingar

I thought anything that was not a cat M1 vehicle (cars<8 seats), is taxed on the older cc rate?

A minibus with 9+ seats is a Cat M2 vehicle, so if its only for private use and assuming its a 2.3 its €994/year


http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/What-Category-is-my-vehicle/Cars/

Av8or

>>I thought anything that was not a cat M1 vehicle (cars<8 seats), is taxed on the older cc rate?

Do you have a link to something that confirms this?

The Iveco is a 2998cc so would be €1494 under the cc-based system. Now it gets real strange! I have the UK registration document here and it shows it as an N2 (goods) category (and 14 seats)!! It's a LWB 14 seater minibus with wheelchair lift so, most definitely (and sadly!) not a goods vehicle.

colm_mcm

What category will it be registered as?

Av8or

As it's a vehicle with greater than 8 seats and a mass of under 5 tonnes, it *should* be registered as an M2

colm_mcm wrote: »

What category will it be registered as?

R.O.R

Av8or wrote: »

As it's a vehicle with greater than 8 seats and a mass of under 5 tonnes, it *should* be registered as an M2

That is a commercial vehicle and will be assesed on unleaden weight.

If under 3 Tons unleaden it's €333. Between 3 & 4 Ton unleaden is €420.

Av8or

R.O.R wrote: »

That is a commercial vehicle and will be assesed on unleaden weight.

If under 3 Tons unleaden it's €333. Between 3 & 4 Ton unleaden is €420.

I wish. As far as I can see, there is no such classification as 'commercial' vehicle. It's either a passenger vehicle or a goods vehicle with a goods vehicle being defined thus by the RSA..."Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass between 3.5 tonnes and 12 tonnes"

R.O.R

Av8or wrote: »

I wish. As far as I can see, there is no such classification as 'commercial' vehicle. It's either a passenger vehicle or a goods vehicle with a goods vehicle being defined thus by the RSA..."Vehicles designed and constructed for the carriage of goods and having a maximum mass between 3.5 tonnes and 12 tonnes"

Once it goes over 3.5Tons GVW it doesn't matter what the usage is, it's a commercial vehicle.


http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/What-Category-is-my-vehicle/Cars/

I'm not sure what the criteria are, but you may also be able to tax it as a Youth or Community Minibus - that's €154 a year. Seems to be what this is taxed at:

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/iveco-daily-50c13-15-6v-5dr-2798cc/18261636 which I presume is similar to what you are looking at?

Av8or

R.O.R wrote: »

Once it goes over 3.5Tons GVW it doesn't matter what the usage is, it's a commercial vehicle.


http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/What-Category-is-my-vehicle/Cars/

I'm not sure what the criteria are, but you may also be able to tax it as a Youth or Community Minibus - that's €154 a year. Seems to be what this is taxed at:

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/iveco-daily-50c13-15-6v-5dr-2798cc/18261636 which I presume is similar to what you are looking at?

That link goes to the passenger vehicle page and doesn't mention the >3.5Tons GVW criteria.

As for the Donedeal ad, it's similar, but a newer 4th Generation Iveco (not sure how on earth that 3rd Gen Iveco ended up on a 142 registration when production finished in 2006/7!!)

Mine would be more similar to this one...

https://www.donedeal.ie/coaches-for-sale/iveco-minius/18688532

R.O.R

Av8or wrote: »

That link goes to the passenger vehicle page and doesn't mention the >3.5Tons GVW criteria.

As for the Donedeal ad, it's similar, but a newer 4th Generation Iveco (not sure how on earth that 3rd Gen Iveco ended up on a 142 registration when production finished in 2006/7!!)

Mine would be more similar to this one...

https://www.donedeal.ie/coaches-for-sale/iveco-minius/18688532

All M2 class vehicles require an annual CVRT test rather than the NCT, so that classifies them as commercial.

Av8or

R.O.R wrote: »

All M2 class vehicles require an annual CVRT test rather than the NCT, so that classifies them as commercial.

My existing Sprinter minibus (which is under 3.5 Tons) also requires a CVRT but I still pay private road tax i.e. I don't believe that having a DOE/CVRT automatically qualifies a vehicle for commercial tax (unless you have something that officially shows the >3.5 Ton qualification?)

colm_mcm

What is it being used for, what licence does the driver have?

Av8or

colm_mcm wrote: »

What is it being used for, what licence does the driver have?

Courtesy bus i.e no paying passengers. drivers have D1E or DE licences

punisher5112

I thought the tax was around €300 for a psv bus.

Been a while since I've looked and me driving buses every week.
It could have increased slightly but remember it been around that and I'm not mixing with commercial at €333 as have had good few 4x4.

CiniO

Av8or wrote: »

I am going round in circles trying to calculate the amount of motor/road tax (not VRT) that will be levied on a diesel Iveco Daily Minibus (disabled) that I plan to import from the UK. My local Motor Tax Office have no idea. Their suggestion is to import it, then find out!!! The Motor Tax Office in Shannon were no help either. Being a 2012 vehicle, the only parameter used is the CO2 emissions, in grams per km. I have a copy of the UK registration certificate, which lists no CO2 figures but does list all the Emissions figures i.e. CO, HC, NOx PM, Particulates etc (It's a Euro 5 engine). Unfortunately, the minibus is not being used for PSV, so would not qualify for the flat PSV rate, so it's effectively a 'private' vehicle.

Anyone have any ideas?

Your Iveco minibus can't be taxed under CO2 rates.

Have a look at act which has a description of vehicles which are due to be taxed under CO2 rates:

(i) a new vehicle which is registered on or after 1 July 2008 under section 131 of the Finance Act 1992 as a category A vehicle or as a category M1 vehicle, as the case may be, or

(ii) registered outside of the State on or after 1 January 2008 and which is subsequently registered in the State on or after 1 July 2008 under section 131 of the Finance Act 1992 as a category A vehicle or as a category M1 vehicle, as the case may be, and which has an identification mark assigned by the Revenue Commissioners under section 131 (5) of the Finance Act 1992 which signifies that the vehicle was first brought into use during or after the year 2008,

and which has a CO emissions level—

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2013/act/9/enacted/en/print.html

As you can see, these rates apply only to M1 vehicles (or VRT category A) which your Iveco definitely isn't.

Your vehicle is category M2.


Below are description of tax categories available for buses:

3. (a) Vehicles constructed or adapted for the carriage of more than 8 persons which are owned by a youth or community organisation and which are used exclusively by the organisation solely for the purpose of conveying persons on journeys directly related to the activities of the organisation and which have seating capacity for—

(i) more than 8 persons but not more than 20 persons,

€154

(ii) more than 20 persons but not more than 40 persons,

€202

(iii) more than 40 persons but not more than 60 persons,

€403

(iv) more than 60 persons,

€403

(b) vehicles (other than those referred to in subparagraph (c) of this paragraph) used as large public service vehicles within the meaning of the Road Traffic Act 1961 and having seating capacity for—

(i) more than 8 persons but not more than 20 persons,

€154

(ii) more than 20 persons but not more than 40 persons,

€202

(iii) more than 40 persons but not more than 60 persons,

€403

(iv) more than 60 persons,

€403

(c) vehicles which are large public service vehicles within the meaning of the Road Traffic Act 1961 and which are used only for the carriage of children, or children and teachers, being carried to or from school or to or from school-related physical education activities, and are either licensed under Article 60 of the Road Traffic (Public Service Vehicles) Regulations 1963 ( S.I. No. 191 of 1963 ) as amended, or owned or operated by a statutory transport undertaking.

€95

Bolded are relevant parts of the text, which mean you can't tax your Iveco under those categories.

And as this is exhaustive list of tax categories for buses, you'll have to tax it based on engine size:

6. Vehicles other than those charged with duty under the foregoing provisions of this Part of this Schedule:

.....

(e) subject to subparagraph (f), other vehicles to which this paragraph applies and which—

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/act/10/enacted/en/print.html

That above is the description of CC based rates, and it's literally written there, that this category applies to any vehicles which doesn't fit any other tax category.

And as you're bus doesn't fit any tax category designed for buses, engine size tax rate is the only way it can be taxed.

CiniO

mullingar wrote: »

I thought anything that was not a cat M1 vehicle (cars<8 seats), is taxed on the older cc rate?

That's correct.

CiniO

R.O.R wrote: »

That is a commercial vehicle and will be assesed on unleaden weight.

If under 3 Tons unleaden it's €333. Between 3 & 4 Ton unleaden is €420.

R.O.R wrote: »

Once it goes over 3.5Tons GVW it doesn't matter what the usage is, it's a commercial vehicle.


http://www.rsa.ie/en/RSA/Your-Vehicle/About-your-Vehicle/What-Category-is-my-vehicle/Cars/

I'm not sure what the criteria are, but you may also be able to tax it as a Youth or Community Minibus - that's €154 a year. Seems to be what this is taxed at:

https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/iveco-daily-50c13-15-6v-5dr-2798cc/18261636 which I presume is similar to what you are looking at?

R.O.R wrote: »

All M2 class vehicles require an annual CVRT test rather than the NCT, so that classifies them as commercial.

I think you're mistaking commecrial with goods vehicles.


Terms like "commercial" or "private" tax is only a slang used by motortax offices when issuing discs.

Tax you mentioned which is €333 for vehicles of unladen weight below 3 tones, applied to goods vehicles.

5. Vehicles (including tricycles weighing more than 500 kilograms unladen) constructed or adapted for use and used for the conveyance of goods or burden of any other description in the course of trade or business (including agriculture and the performance by a local or public authority of its functions) and vehicles constructed or adapted for use and used for the conveyance of a machine, workshop, contrivance or implement by or in which goods being conveyed by such vehicles are processed or manufactured while the vehicles are in motion:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2012/act/10/enacted/en/print.html

It can not be applied to M2 vehicle, as it's a minibus - not a goods vehicle.

OP also most likely can't tax it as youth or community bus, unless he runs a youth or community organisation.
Taxing it as LPSV (large public service vehicle) requires licence for passenger transport.