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How white women use strategic tears to avoid accountability

  • 08-05-2018 4:45pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32 TheManTheMyth


    "it is the trauma caused by the tactic many white women employ to muster sympathy and avoid accountability, by turning the tables and accusing their accuser."

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/may/08/how-white-women-use-strategic-tears-to-avoid-accountability

    I thought we were supposed to "believe all women"? I guess now we should believe all "women of color". Lets go down that rabbit hole..."trans women of colour", "trans lesbian women of color", "trans immigrant lesbian woman of colour".

    They are creating a social hierarchy of their own based on a discrimination Olympics.

    The left continues on cannibalizing.

    It surely cannot escape the observer’s notice that those who lend an ear are most likely to have it torn off. Hence, Silicon Valley endures endless accusations of sexism, yet Wall Street largely skates. Extrapolate as necessary.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,737 ✭✭✭Yer Da sells Avon


    The man, the myth, the mythogynist!

    Thorry!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 812 ✭✭✭Cleopatra_


    *bursts into tears to avoid accountability*

    My work here is done.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Pro-tip: Ignore Guardian Opinion pieces written solely to raise ire and get shared.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    Personally, it reads like a piece of drivel by somebody just filling column inches.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,473 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Or put it this way “biatches never be happy”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    A quick scan of the piece (I don't feel the Guardian deserves to be read as it is little more than a comic) seems to indicate that several "black or brown" women on a "panel" referred to white people as shít, and then got offended when a white person felt that wasn't very fair. A story was then concocted that white women cry to avoid accountability, to hide the real story, which appears to be that a black person used the race card to avoid accountability for being racist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,037 ✭✭✭✭PopePalpatine


    Personally, it reads like a piece of drivel by somebody just filling column inches.

    I was thinking of "Horseshoe Theory". Take "white" out of the title and you got yourself an alt-right/incel blog post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    The Guardian and their obsession with dividing people. Trying to turn people against each other.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    The Guardian has become a tragic parody of itself.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    What a crock.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gravelly wrote: »
    A quick scan of the piece (I don't feel the Guardian deserves to be read as it is little more than a comic) seems to indicate that several "black or brown" women on a "panel" referred to white people as shít, and then got offended when a white person felt that wasn't very fair. A story was then concocted that white women cry to avoid accountability, to hide the real story, which appears to be that a black person used the race card to avoid accountability for being racist.

    The writer of course said that the panellist merely has white people and **** in the same sentence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,969 ✭✭✭✭alchemist33


    This illustrates why I would never give money to The Guardian, even if I'd agree with some of their stances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    The writer of course said that the panellist merely has white people and **** in the same sentence.

    I noticed that, but given the anti-white racism of the piece, the fact that they were tackled on it at the time by a white member of the audience, and the fact the writer doesn't actually quote what they did say, it's probably safe to say they said white people are shït.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,736 ✭✭✭Irish Guitarist


    When I shared these tweets on my Facebook page asking brown and black women if this had ever happened to them, I was taken by how deeply this resonated, prompting one Arab woman to share this story:

    A WW kept touching my hair. Pulling my curls to watch them bounce back. Rubbing the top. Smelling it. So when I told her to stop and complained to HR and my supervisor, she complained that I wasn’t a people person or team member and I had to leave that position for being ‘threatening’ to a coworker.”

    That would make a great L'Oreal ad.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Gravelly wrote: »
    I noticed that, but given the anti-white racism of the piece, the fact that they were tackled on it at the time by a white member of the audience, and the fact the writer doesn't actually quote what they did say, it's probably safe to say they said white people are shït.

    I know. I think the writer was deliberately downplaying the incident.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 40,061 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    "Peak Guardian" - there is no such thing! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 207 ✭✭Chaos Tourist


    The Guardian and their obsession with dividing people. Trying to turn people against each other.

    They were at it again last week with an article from Yvonne Roberts --under the Observer title, i.e, the sister newspaper -- on April 29th titled 'Millennials are struggling. Is it the fault of the baby boomers?'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,895 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    When people say feminism is cancer, this is what they mean. It ought to be a wake-up call for many on the left though: it is increasingly a racial ideology. It is not the content of a persons character that the left judges people by, more and more it is the colour of their skin. Hamad is a racist who views her politics through racial identity, shes perfectly at home on the left and is offered a platform by the Guardian. This is the mainstream left today, not a crank or a loon.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Imagine asking her for a blow job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭Stonedpilot


    Interestingly the author is a woman. However shes not morbidly obese and is educated. Very telling!.


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  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Luis Slimy Sympathy


    Sand wrote: »
    When people say feminism is cancer, this is what they mean. It ought to be a wake-up call for many on the left though: it is increasingly a racial ideology. It is not the content of a persons character that the left judges people by, more and more it is the colour of their skin. Hamad is a racist who views her politics through racial identity, shes perfectly at home on the left and is offered a platform by the Guardian. This is the mainstream left today, not a crank or a loon.

    I'm all for the 'don't forget about us' side of things but this article is just :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,050 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Article is a great cure for constipation

    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,119 ✭✭✭Gravelly


    Imagine asking her for a blow job.

    I’d rather stick it in a meat grinder.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,896 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    This illustrates why I would never give money to The Guardian, even if I'd agree with some of their stances.
    I often get a chuckle when I get to the bottom, seeing their notice extolling the virtue of their journalism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Pro-tip: Ignore Guardian Opinion pieces written solely to raise ire and get shared.

    This. This.This.

    People keep falling for it, she will be loving this thread and extra clicks.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Imagine the British media without The Guardian...

    It will take many, many more Guardians to balance the rightwing, oligarchy-controlled decidedly rancid Europhobic media there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,103 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Saw commentisfree in the link on hover...
    The Guardian website's "loony bin/cuckoo's nest" section, 95 % of it is outrage-stoking rubbish but it must generate lots of page views & advertising revenue & is well worth any damage it does to their reputation.:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,500 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    Sand wrote: »
    When people say feminism is cancer, this is what they mean. It ought to be a wake-up call for many on the left though: it is increasingly a racial ideology. It is not the content of a persons character that the left judges people by, more and more it is the colour of their skin. Hamad is a racist who views her politics through racial identity, shes perfectly at home on the left and is offered a platform by the Guardian. This is the mainstream left today, not a crank or a loon.
    I think it's a noisey minority. The Regressive left .

    No self respecting classical liberal agrees with such race baiting drivel.


    Somebody mentioned the Horseshoe Theory on the previous page. Far Left and Far Right are two sides of the same coin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,634 ✭✭✭✭Graces7


    That would be what was called in my young days as "turning on the waterworks" I think!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    Intersectionality is a victimhood p*ssing contest which the Guardian openly endorses, apparently.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,531 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Sand wrote: »
    This is the mainstream left today, not a crank or a loon.

    With respect, you're taking the words of a Guardian columnist/paid troll and then making a huge generalisation. I don't read much of it any more for reasons which I think are obvious to anyone who reads the Guardian but the right seems to be just as obsessed with racial identity politics as the left. I'd put Hamad in the same category as the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos or Ben Shapiro to be honest.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 194 ✭✭Mackerel and Avocado Sandwich


    The guardian really is excellent for sport politics arts and general news but these trolling pieces just need to be ignored


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    bluewolf wrote: »
    I'm all for the 'don't forget about us' side of things but this article is just :confused:
    Just looking at the titles of the other stuff she's written for the Guardian reveals quite a bit about her "slant" on things.

    The unfortunate thing is that when you get really embedded into an ideology, you start to think that the stories that you hear from others in that ideology are incredibly widespread and you start to see it everywhere. And then you believe it's a "thing" and start writing opinion pieces about it, and the rest of the world looks at it and asks, "WTAF are you talking about?"

    It also doesn't help that she's Australian. Australia's pretty racist, on a level that we would never experience here in Ireland. So all of this stuff about interruptions and instant tears and whatever may be very much a feature of the author's limited worldview, and not necessarily an international trend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    I'd put Hamad in the same category as the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos or Ben Shapiro to be honest.

    A lot of what Yiannopuolos and Shapiro say is comment, much of it I disagree with but there is often often a reasonably solid factual basis to which they add their comment and slant. Hamad appears to live in a fairy tale dream world where feelings are facts. The Guardian seem to endorse the right on opinion and don't seem to care what these opinions are standing on or if they stand on their own at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,767 ✭✭✭SterlingArcher


    With respect, you're taking the words of a Guardian columnist/paid troll and then making a huge generalisation. I don't read much of it any more for reasons which I think are obvious to anyone who reads the Guardian but the right seems to be just as obsessed with racial identity politics as the left. I'd put Hamad in the same category as the likes of Milo Yiannopoulos or Ben Shapiro to be honest.

    I disagree. It is worse than that.

    The fact is the "left" are devouring themselves. And isolating anyone that isn't at the dinner table.

    The right doesn't even need to do anything, just sit back and point it out.

    This does not bode well for anyone.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,809 ✭✭✭Hector Savage


    The man, the myth, the mythogynist!

    Thorry!

    :D why am I not surprised that you support this absolute drivel ?

    Anyway, I saw that a few days ago, I no longer am surprised with anything the guardian came up with.

    They are like the onion at this point.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Where comment is free* and facts are manipulated.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    seamus wrote: »
    Just looking at the titles of the other stuff she's written for the Guardian reveals quite a bit about her "slant" on things.

    The unfortunate thing is that when you get really embedded into an ideology, you start to think that the stories that you hear from others in that ideology are incredibly widespread and you start to see it everywhere. And then you believe it's a "thing" and start writing opinion pieces about it, and the rest of the world looks at it and asks, "WTAF are you talking about?"

    It also doesn't help that she's Australian. Australia's pretty racist, on a level that we would never experience here in Ireland. So all of this stuff about interruptions and instant tears and whatever may be very much a feature of the author's limited worldview, and not necessarily an international trend.

    The fact that she’s Australian is telling in fact for the guardians priorities. Given that it is not behind a paywall the guardian needs clicks and outrage generates clicks.

    In the colonies identity politics is a big ticket and while the old Guardian might have concentrated more on class and been anti war, the new guardian is increasingly dominated with American (or colonial) identity politics and is ambivalent at best about US interference in other countries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    Wait, do white women also have white privilege?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,554 ✭✭✭valoren


    I tried to read that and can't make sense of it.

    Is the author attempting to equate black women when acting the bollox and upon getting called on it resort to crying racism with white women, acting in the exact same manner, instead resort to playing the shrieking victim when held accountable? The argument being that the reaction of white women is worse, whatever 'worse' means in that case?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    So let me get this right - in the game of Rock-Paper-Scissors that is the modern game of political correctness, colour always trumps gender. Right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    jimgoose wrote: »
    So let me get this right - in the game of Rock-Paper-Scissors that is the modern game of political correctness, colour always trumps gender. Right?

    *triggered*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    I disagree. It is worse than that.

    The fact is the "left" are devouring themselves. And isolating anyone that isn't at the dinner table.

    The right doesn't even need to do anything, just sit back and point it out.

    This does not bode well for anyone.
    Extreme left and extreme right tbh.

    On the left you've got this kind of gender/racial identity nonsense, and on the right you have Nazis.

    All people taking an ideology to its purest and most extreme form, all really small groups getting way too much airtime, and all really, really stupid.

    One could easily look at Trump, Brexit and the incels and argue that the right is eating itself and the left just has to sit back and watch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,465 ✭✭✭✭cantdecide


    seamus wrote: »
    On the left you've got this kind of gender/racial identity nonsense, and on the right you have Nazis.

    Any time I see these pro-Nazi Guardian articles these days, I just ignore them.

    I'm not falling for their race-baiting tactics any more.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 40,531 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    cantdecide wrote: »
    A lot of what Yiannopuolos and Shapiro say is comment, much of it I disagree with but there is often often a reasonably solid factual basis to which they add their comment and slant. Hamad appears to live in a fairy tale dream world where feelings are facts. The Guardian seem to endorse the right on opinion and don't seem to care what these opinions are standing on or if they stand on their own at all.

    I wouldn't say that a narrative about an impoverished, disconnected white working class is devoid of facts and merit at all. I would, however say that there are many right-wing pundits exploiting this for their own agendas, ie selling books and promoting their own brand.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Rory28


    I wouldn't say that a narrative about an impoverished, disconnected white working class is devoid of facts and merit at all. I would, however say that there are many right-wing pundits exploiting this for their own agendas, ie selling books and promoting their own brand.

    I would not count Shapiro among them. Milo is a self admitted troll so I tend to just ignore the man but Ben seems to have his head screwed on. I do not understand the hate the guy gets. Violent protests outside venues where he is booked to speak. That is madness.

    On both sides the majority of trouble comes from 20 something emotional wrecks. In a few years I fully expect 90% of them to look back on it all and cringe at how the behaved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    From the article:
    This raised the ire of a self-identified white woman in the audience

    A "self-identified white woman" eh?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,261 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    I disagree. It is worse than that.

    The fact is the "left" are devouring themselves. And isolating anyone that isn't at the dinner table.

    The right doesn't even need to do anything, just sit back and point it out.

    This does not bode well for anyone.

    Honestly, the same can be said for the right.

    With the rise of the Alt-Right, people with more 'simple' conservative views are automatically lumped into the same category of Right wing views, much like is happening on the left.

    The issue really, is more a fault of the internet and click-bait society that we live in. Articles like this are designed to grab attention and generate revenue, rather than show any actual real detail of 'overall' liberal views.

    I'd happily put myself down as a Liberal Conservative. I believe in Free-speech, equal rights and pay, social housing and universal healthcare.
    I don't believe in getting a free-ride through life, and honestly have no patience for this whole 'your privileged therefore your case is void' type of left-wing politics we see getting spouted on social media, far more than in actual politics.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,561 ✭✭✭✭Varik


    Guardian is a joke, they're the opposite side of the coin to breitbart at this stage.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,026 ✭✭✭farmchoice


    having read the article i have to say i agree with a lot of it.

    i feel i can say this with some experience as well, i am the husband to a white wife, the brother to 4 white sisters and the son of a white mother, i am also the boss of, a co worker with, and an employee of a whole gang of white woman.

    i have over 40 years experience of dealing with this **** and it is only too common, as soon as things are not going their way, here come the tears, and all of a sudden their bul**** behavior was all my fault and its them who are the victims.

    oh i am also also the father to a very small white woman (4 years old) she is the ultimate practitioner of this art.


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