SUSI grant after failed course

hawthorne

My son is most likely to fail his PLC course (FATAC level 5) in June due to personal issues. He is on a SUSI grant at the moment.
In autumn he wants to start a third level 3 year course in a different subject. He has enough points from the leaving cert to get the place.
Would he still get the SUSI grant for the new course ? Or is he only getting the grant if he repeats the PLC exam succesfully ?

splinter65

hawthorne wrote: »

My son is most likely to fail his PLC course (FATAC level 5) in June due to personal issues. He is on a SUSI grant at the moment.
In autumn he wants to start a third level 3 year course in a different subject. He has enough points from the leaving cert to get the place.
Would he still get the SUSI grant for the new course ? Or is he only getting the grant if he repeats the PLC exam succesfully ?

No he won’t get SUSI I’m afraid. He would if he were 23+ and 5 years had lapsed since he failed this PLC.

hawthorne

splinter65 wrote: »

No he won’t get SUSI I’m afraid. He would if he were 23+ and 5 years had lapsed since he failed this PLC.

So the only way forward at the moment is to resit the PLC exam next year and pass it ?

splinter65

hawthorne wrote: »

So the only way forward at the moment is to resit the PLC exam next year and pass it ?

No it’s worse then that. He won’t get the SUSI while repeating unless you can show a serious medical issue that caused him to fail.
Look. Ring SUSI and see if there’s anything can be done.
They’re very helpful.

splinter65

SUSI is not fit for purpose. Too many conditions altogether.
Should be a student loan system like the UK.

hawthorne

splinter65 wrote: »

No it’s worse then that. He won’t get the SUSI while repeating unless you can show a serious medical issue that caused him to fail.
Look. Ring SUSI and see if there’s anything can be done.
They’re very helpful.

Thanks.
I understand that he will get no grant for the repeat year and will only get any future grant AFTER he was succesfull in his exam.
We will contact SUSI in time to come.
My son has indeed a medical condition and is getting treatment for it.

Lackey

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103355032

If he is progressing i.e. moving from a level 5/6 to a level 7/8 I think he will qualify,
even if has failed.
Apply to be sure

hawthorne

Lackey wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103355032

If he is progressing i.e. moving from a level 5/6 to a level 7/8 I think he will qualify,
even if has failed.
Apply to be sure

I was thinking that myself- he is progressing.But only SUSI will know for sure.
We wait for the fail and act afterwards.

Lackey

hawthorne wrote: »

I was thinking that myself- he is progressing.But only SUSI will know for sure.
We wait for the fail and act afterwards.

Susi applications are open now for 2018/2019
Has he applied for the new course through CAO?
I would get the ball rolling and apply for renewal, citing no change to financial circumstances but changing course and put down new future college course....I assume then SUSI get contacted by college to say he's been accepted, and that should be it.
Edited to add: Maybe request this thread to be moved to student finances. You might get more information there
Good luck.

splinter65

Lackey wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=103355032

If he is progressing i.e. moving from a level 5/6 to a level 7/8 I think he will qualify,
even if has failed.
Apply to be sure

Please read this up to date information from citizensinformation.ie

In general, you will not get a grant for repeating a year or attending a course at a level that does not represent progression from what you have done before. However, second-chance students may be eligible for a grant. A second-chance student is someone who is aged over 23, did not successfully complete an earlier course and is returning to pursue an approved course after a full break in studies of at least 5 years. You may do a course during this 5 year break and still qualify as a second-chance student, if the course was below undergraduate level and meets the rules regarding progression

Lackey

OPs son is not repeating a year at the same level, or doing a new course at the same level.
But will be progressing his education from what he has done i.e. progressing from a level 5 to a level 7/8.
Therefore should be entitled to the SUSI grant as quoted in above post from student finances.

hawthorne

I think both opinions are correct.
First: If he fails he should not get another grant until he passes a repeat exam. Only success is rewarded.
Second: He would be entitled to another grant because he is progressing- and that is the name of the game.
It all comes down to what the person at SUSI we are dealing with will decide.
I let everybody know in time when we have a decision....looks like August or so.

autumnbelle

He will get the grant for the college course just not for another plc

Lackey

autumnbelle wrote: »

He will get the grant for the college course just not for another plc

Good luck to him now

hawthorne

I promised to come back to this when we have some new developments.
As stated my son failed his PLC. He applied for a new PLC starting in September and got accepted.
He applied for a SUSI grant explaining what had happened in the previous year. He supplied evidence in form of doctors/consultant statements and a detailed record of his health problems. He filled out all required paperwork.
Unfortunately he was not lucky.

Quote:

"We refer to your application for funding in respect of a repeat period of study under Exceptional Circumstances and wish to advise you that you are not eligible for the reason(s) stated below.

Articles 15 (6) and (7) of the Student Grant Scheme 2018 outline the particular provisions in respect of academic progression and include the provision that a grant may not be paid in respect of a repeat period of study. However, Article 15 (8) states that an awarding authority shall have discretion to waive this requirement in exceptional circumstances. Assessments under this provision are carried
out with regard to the guidelines drawn up by the Minister of Education and Skills.

We refer to your application under the above provision and wish to advise that you are not eligible as the documentary evidence submitted is not sufficient for an award to be made on this basis. As per Article 15(7) of the Scheme, a grant may not be paid in respect of a repeat period of study.

You will receive a separate Refusal taking account of the requirement for you to complete an equivalent period of study."

He can appeal the decision within 30 days. But I do not think he will be successful. There is no further evidence or new developments.

splinter65

SUSI needs to be scrapped in favor of a student loan scheme. They just delight in turning people down.

misstearheus

Copyandpaste scripted crap aside, - to me that sounds like more in-depth documentation being sent would be considered by them. I haven't read your posting history so don't know what your Son's challenges are, but would you be willing to start from scratch again, wipe everything out as such for whatever the equivalent of their appeals process would be, start again blank and go from the top and, (without meaning to be offensive here,) just simplify absolutely everything every last minute detail in exact simplistic basic basic terms.. Make it as plain and as basic as physically possible. I know you say there's no new updates/developments that would favour his application, but sometimes, a complete do-over and looking at something refreshed and re-newed, might jog your memory to remember more exacting precise information, or looking at things for a second time you will realize more extensive information you left out the first time.

hawthorne

It was in no way a copy and paste job. I brought the envelope to the post office. It was actually quite heavy. Loads of reports from doctors, detailed account of what was going on. My son's own version they asked for.
He is still not fully fit yet and another failure would be a disaster for any future grant applications.
We decided to call it a day and pay ourselves now. If he passes this course, he can move on next year with another grant. That way there will be no legacy of a double payment on his record.

misstearheus

hawthorne wrote: »

It was in no way a copy and paste job. I brought the envelope to the post office. It was actually quite heavy. Loads of reports from doctors, detailed account of what was going on. My son's own version they asked for.
He is still not fully fit yet and another failure would be a disaster for any future grant applications.
We decided to call it a day and pay ourselves now. If he passes this course, he can move on next year with another grant. That way there will be no legacy of a double payment on his record.

Dd you even read my post?? I'm not saying all your stuff was copyandpaste! In this Cut-throat business of Social Welfare you have to be passive and not be so keen to leap on someone or jump the gun!! I said By them, I meant their reply to you! If you had read my full post you should have copped I meant them anyway.