Two marriages at the same time ?

Tzardine

Hi folks,

Looking for some thoughts on this. I got married a couple of years ago in Spain (wife is Spanish but we live in ireland).

Good old Spanish bureaucracy is doing my head in. The latest incident is in relation to our wedding cert. I need to get an apostle on it. Went to the Spanish embassy yesterday and they said it can only be done in Spain and I need to go there. Pain in the backside.

My question is, can I get married again in ireland, in the registry office , and get an Irish marriage cert.

Is there anything legally preventing this ?

heretothere

I wouldn't think so as you are already in a recognised legal marriage. Can you not post it to Spain to be stamped? Or post it to someone in your wife's family to get stamped for you?

Tzardine

heretothere wrote: »

I wouldn't think so as you are already in a recognised legal marriage. Can you not post it to Spain to be stamped? Or post it to someone in your wife's family to get stamped for you?

No I have to go unfortunately. Has to be done in person in the court of the town in which we were married. And there is nobody there that we could ask.

How would the registry office know we are already married though if we went to get married again? It was only registered in Spain. No record of it here.

goldenhoarde

It wouldn't be a good idea

A you would need to lie and say not married on all forms

B immigration would interview you

Best to fly out and get it done and get a few copies

Once off and avoids a potential prison cell

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Not trying to be funny, but is getting married a second time, even in a registry office, not almost as much hassle as flying to Spain to get it sorted? Ye could even go and make a night or two away out of it, if so inclined....

lazygal

You could get married in the registry office here without hassle, ten minutes max and far cheaper than a trip to Spain. It's not particularly difficult.

meeeeh

lazygal wrote: »

You could get married in the registry office here without hassle, ten minutes max and far cheaper than a trip to Spain. It's not particularly difficult.

I might be wrong but you have to register intent to marry three months ahead. As far as I know Ireland as other European countries require birth cert with apostille stamp for most of Eu citizens. You would also need some document that your wife is not married from Spanish authorities. The second marriage is not an option, it wouldn't be that cheap because you need documents from Spanish authorities with dreaded apostille stamp, it would take at least three months and if you managed to obtain Spanish documents stating your wife is not married it would be by deception.

lazygal

If they're both Irish they don't need any of that.

Riskymove

lazygal wrote: »

If they're both Irish they don't need any of that.

The wife is spanish

Dial Hard

lazygal wrote: »

If they're both Irish they don't need any of that.

Did you even read the OP? His wife is Spanish.

lazygal

Sorry, should have read it more carefully.

lazygal

lazygal wrote: »

If they're both Irish they don't need any of that.

They also have to give the 3 months notice of intent to marry even if both are Irish.

Peregrinus

And they have to assert that they are not married. Which, obviously, would be a lie.

Glass fused light

Tzardine wrote: »

Hi folks,

Looking for some thoughts on this. I got married a couple of years ago in Spain (wife is Spanish but we live in ireland).

Good old Spanish bureaucracy is doing my head in. The latest incident is in relation to our wedding cert. I need to get an apostle on it. Went to the Spanish embassy yesterday and they said it can only be done in Spain and I need to go there. Pain in the backside.

My question is, can I get married again in ireland, in the registry office , and get an Irish marriage cert.

Is there anything legally preventing this ?

Neither you nor your wife are legally free to marry.

You are looking to get the marriage cert apostled, presumably for a specific reason. If you and your wife lie and manage to obtain an Irish marriage cert this way, using it could land you both in court.

Criminal Justice (Theft and Fraud Offences) Act, 2001

26.—(1) A person who uses an instrument which is, and which he or she knows or believes to be, a false instrument, with the intention of inducing another person to accept it as genuine and, by reason of so accepting it, to do some act, or to make some omission, or to provide some service, to the prejudice of that person or any other person is guilty of an offence.

(2) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.