Buying a (2nd Hand) Model S

ELM327

Hi,
So as I've alluded to for a while I'm now in the market for a second hand model S. My main contact in the UK has let me down as the car I was waiting on has sold to someone in the trade.

I have some questions for either current model S owners or anyone who has the expertise to answer.
I'm looking at cars in main car dealers. EG:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-100-electric/18575478

How can I ask them before I go to visit if the car has the Tech Pack (a must really) or Dual Charging (again a must)?

They are main dealers and as such wouldn't be au faix with the ins and outs. I know an identifier for the tech pack is the power liftgate. Other than plugging into a 32a 22kW SCP is there another way (eg in a menu) to identify if the car is fitted with dual chargers?

unkel

Following :cool:

Please give us all the details about cars you're considering, your views on value for money, etc. You looking exclusively at bringing in a '14 from the UK? Are you expecting to pay the same VRT on a private / trade car as people who brought in same year mint CPO cars? I think that's what will happen

Interested myself in doing this, but not at current market values. My "must have" list would be minimal. AP and 7 seats would be nice to have for me.

I'm a bit ignorant when it comes to the Model S. What's the dual charging and what's in the tech pack?

ELM327

I dont need AP, would be nice but not needed. Same for 7 seats.
Dual chargers means (in 2014 models) able to take 22kW AC. Single chargers only can take 11kW AC.
Tech pack brings a lot of extras (eg keyless entry, power liftgate etc) but the main thing is the Nav. Without it you have google maps but no navigation function,

I'm initially looking around Ireland but yeah I will probably have to go to the UK. My contact was looking to bring me in a car from a trade only auction (would have got it at around £30k) but it's gone now.

I was looking at the car I linked above but, given the response, it's clear the dealer hasn't the foggiest clue of what they are selling.

Thanks for your enquiry, Yeah the car arrived yesterday . Just to answer a few of your questions, the car has a tech pack but regarding the charging of the car it only has the slow charge. There is only one charging point in the car which is the slow portal overnight charge which roughly take around 20 hours.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

Hi,
I have some questions for either current model S owners or anyone who has the expertise to answer.
I'm looking at cars in main car dealers. EG:
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/tesla-model-s-100-electric/18575478


I was looking at the car I linked above but, given the response, it's clear the dealer hasn't the foggiest clue of what they are selling.

That ad says Model S 100 but the dash shows 85. I think you might be right that they dont know what they are at.

ELM327

KCross wrote: »

That ad says Model S 100 but the dash shows 85. I think you might be right that they dont know what they are at.

Yeah I figured as much but the 1 charge port 20 hours comment is insane.

Is there anyone out there that owns a model S that can tell me a way to differentiate the Tech Pack & dual chargers in 2014 models ?
Or reccomend a good source? I tried joining the facebook group but you need to give your VIN to enter.

KCross

ELM327 wrote: »

Or reccomend a good source? I tried joining the facebook group but you need to give your VIN to enter.

No riff raff allowed eh!

I'd say just use any valid VIN and swag your way in there! Can they actually tell if you own it or not?!

Mullo76

I bought a 2014 P85+ in middle of March from Tesla UK. On tech package, easiest way if looking is to look at the boot, if it has tech package and rear powergate there will be a button on the right hand side boot lid you press to close the boot.

Dual chargers no idea if there is a way to check.

p.s. there is vin for that car in the pictures they have sent if you need one

Will check the menu when home this evening to see if anything on there to tell and come back tomorrow.

Sabre Man

ELM327 wrote: »

I tried joining the facebook group but you need to give your VIN to enter.

You can join Tesla Owners Worldwide without a VIN number.

ELM327

Mullo76 wrote: »

I bought a 2014 P85+ in middle of March from Tesla UK. On tech package, easiest way if looking is to look at the boot, if it has tech package and rear powergate there will be a button on the right hand side boot lid you press to close the boot.

Dual chargers no idea if there is a way to check.

p.s. there is vin for that car in the pictures they have sent if you need one

Will check the menu when home this evening to see if anything on there to tell and come back tomorrow.

Cheers. Don't want to join and then have them laugh at me for "faking".
Would appreciate any feedback re menu options. COuld be something as simple as opening the charging menu and theres a "32a - 3 phase" as the default. Anything I can use to know by looking in the car if it's the dual chargers.
I will check the bootlid too, for the tech pack.

(BTW nice car, P85+. They came by default with a lot of spec like the tech pack which were optional on other models.)
I think they have also by default my favourite seat trim, the black piped leather with red trim.

Sabre Man wrote: »

You can join Tesla Owners Worldwide without a VIN number.

Thanks. Have done so now, will look through the forum later to see if anything matches.

Mullo76

yep, may be something in the charging menu. just checked on phone app and cant see anything there but when in car later will look. Cheers, has black leather (no trim), carbon fiber dec, tech and dual chargers, its the wheels and red brake cal that I loved. wasn't bothered about AP. You won't regret going down this route.

Soarer

Just found this.

Tesla VIN Checker

Don't know if it's any good or not, but maybe get the VIN off yer man and check?

Edit: Checked it there, and it doesn't really tell you anything.

ELM327

Soarer wrote: »

Just found this.

Tesla VIN Checker

Don't know if it's any good or not, but maybe get the VIN off yer man and check?

Edit: Checked it there, and it doesn't really tell you anything.

CHeers
Got the vin from one of the photos and checked. You're right, it confirms only that it's an S85 RWD.
Pity, that could have been an easy fix


I've been doing some googling and found this:
https://forums.tesla.com/forum/forums/how-check-if-my-s85-has-dual-chargers-installed
Seems that it should go to 80A max for US spec if it has dual chargers and show 40A if not.
In EU speak we have 32A max, and 32A*rt3 for 22kW. So I dont think that will work.
I guess I'll have to go view the car and get a test drive and go to a fast AC charger. (I think I still have my old Ecars card)

unkel

I was wondering why you're so keen on fast slow (AC) charging, but that's probably because you won't have home / work charging for the foreseeable iirc? Is it wise to go EV without it?

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

I was wondering why you're so keen on fast slow (AC) charging, but that's probably because you won't have home / work charging for the foreseeable iirc? Is it wise to go EV without it?

I have 22kW at work, so the dual chargers mean I can get enough to go home and back in about 1-2 hours versus 4 hours for single charger (in the case of a queue at work - we have 2 chargers but about 4-5 EVs)

You're correct I have no home charging. I might be able to get it but I'm working on the assumption I won't. Hence (part of) my reasoning for a model S. 300km range with chademo and 22kW AC and superchargers means I'll never be stuck for a charge.

"Is it wise to go EV without it"... well, not for a 2014 leaf like I had before :pac:, but different in a model S!

unkel

I wouldn't want to be arriving at a triple head fast charger and there's you and samih with his 40kWh Leaf in the queue ahead of me. Might as well come back the next day or be prepared to wait 4 hours :pac:

If you live near a supercharger, I can't see any issue, but if you don't and you'll be fighting and queuing at work / public chargers several times a week, I don't think I'd get an EV ATM, not even a Tesla.

unkel

unkel wrote: »

I wouldn't want to be arriving at a triple head fast charger and there's you and samih with his 40kWh Leaf in the queue ahead of me. Might as well come back the next day or be prepared to wait 4 hours :pac:

If you live near a supercharger, I can't see any issue, but if you don't and you'll be fighting and queuing at work / public chargers several times a week, I don't think I'd get an EV ATM, not even a Tesla.

I once arrived in Carrick-on-Shannon CHAdeMO and somebody had abandoned their S85 there with no indication on when they'd come back. It was a bit annoying alright. But that was well before the #rapidgate and now 2 hour charging times are no problem whatsoever. A S85 would actually fully charge quicker than L40 on its 3rd charge of the day.

unkel

An empty S85 using CHAdeMO would take over 2 hours to charge! And don't ask me to do the sums on an emtpy L40 with a warm battery doing 14kW at most

ELM327

Quick update, the one I linked in the OP is now sold.
Looks like at the 40-45k pricepoint they can't keep them in stock!

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

I wouldn't want to be arriving at a triple head fast charger and there's you and samih with his 40kWh Leaf in the queue ahead of me. Might as well come back the next day or be prepared to wait 4 hours :pac:

If you live near a supercharger, I can't see any issue, but if you don't and you'll be fighting and queuing at work / public chargers several times a week, I don't think I'd get an EV ATM, not even a Tesla.

22kW at work, not an issue as I'd be guaranteed 3-4 hours minimum per day. And I can't see that changing for the next few months anyway, by which time I hope that Nigel (or which ever installer) has convinced my management company to allow a charger be installed at my spot

unkel wrote: »

An empty S85 using CHAdeMO would take over 2 hours to charge! And don't ask me to do the sums on an emtpy L40 with a warm battery doing 14kW at most

S85 with 78kWh usable, generally (due to voltage drops etc) you wouldnt run it down that low. You also generally don't charge past 80% (although on Chademo the fastest speed in an S85 is 70-90% SOC so perhaps to 90%). So to charge worst case scenario 20-90% you are taking on ~70% of 78kWh or 54.6kWh. At approx 39-47kW. So just over 1 hour. Or potentially a heck of a lot faster than an L40

samih wrote: »

I once arrived in Carrick-on-Shannon CHAdeMO and somebody had abandoned their S85 there with no indication on when they'd come back. It was a bit annoying alright. But that was well before the #rapidgate and now 2 hour charging times are no problem whatsoever. A S85 would actually fully charge quicker than L40 on its 3rd charge of the day.

No excuse for abandoning any EV at an FCP, regardless of make.

slave1

So is there a home charge point that will be compatible with both a Tesla and Leaf30?

unkel

All home charge points are Type 2, so they are compatible with all EVs. As long as you don't have a tethered one.

Sabre Man

slave1 wrote: »

So is there a home charge point that will be compatible with both a Tesla and Leaf30?

A Tesla Wall Connector can be used to charge them both but you need to open up the Wall Connector to change a switch that makes it support other vehicles.

This is easy to do (I did it myself, the hard part was sourcing the correct screwdriver and bits to open the unit) and you'll also need this adapter:
https://eauto.si/metron-shop/?product=charging-station-adapter-type-2-type-1

We've got a Tesla Wall Connector, a Model S and a 24 kWh Leaf.

slave1

That adaptor is crazy money, I think I'll stick with our PodPoint when the time comes

ELM327

So to update the thread, there is a dearth of model S at or below €40k.
I'm going to make a few calls today but have decided I may look at getting an Ioniq and keeping my model 3 reservation instead of getting a model S now.

If anyone is aware of a used model S around the €40k mark please inbox me!!

Heres Johnny

Of you get an ioniq you are wed to it for a while. Why not stick in your own car or buy a cheap run around while you wait for the car you really want.
Bound to become available sooner rather than later.

ELM327

Why would I be wed to it for a while?
I expect model 3 in RHD at the end of 2020. So I will have 2.5 years in an Ioniq then use it as the deposit to finance the model 3.

My original plan was to cancel the model 3 deposit and get a model S now, but the prices have gone up and not down recently. My budget is 40k but it's hard to get one landed below €50k at the moment. The one I wanted (at 42k) was listed and gone in 2 days. Same for one I had my eye on in the UK.

ELM327

So... Despite my thread being initially about a used model S, I'm going to view an Ioniq today.
2017 ex demo with <10k on the clock.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-electric-ev-call-liam-087-65246/18624436

If I buy this I'm going to keep it for 2-3 years until my model 3 comes out. The range of 180-200km is sufficient for the daily commute with a 4 hour 7kW charge at work every day. We'll take the prius at the weekend if needed, due to no home charger yet. Will update thread as appropriate.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

So to update the thread, there is a dearth of model S at or below €40k.

Back in late 2017 I expected the AP1 cars to start hitting below GBP 40k this spring but apart from a few select ones the prices have actually stabilised close to 50k level now and even there the pickings are quite slim. That was why I decided back in Jan to save my pennies and ordered another LEAF again. That, and the fact that a S is quite a fancy for a runaround as I mentioned at the time.

Since then Tesla announced that they won't be remanufacturing the CPO cars going forward and as the supercharging for life of the car is also gone from cars 2016, combined the hikes, the CPO Model S is not a bargain it was turning out to be. If you got one sometime late last autumn at the right price you would currently be driving an appreciating asset.

The prices will eventually start to go down as warranty ends but it it slim pickings as not that many cars were actually sold back in pre 2016. You have to be quick to pick a bargain. Snooze for 15 minutes and it's gone.

Y2K86

ELM327 wrote: »

So... Despite my thread being initially about a used model S, I'm going to view an Ioniq today.
2017 ex demo with <10k on the clock.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-electric-ev-call-liam-087-65246/18624436

If I buy this I'm going to keep it for 2-3 years until my model 3 comes out. The range of 180-200km is sufficient for the daily commute with a 4 hour 7kW charge at work every day. We'll take the prius at the weekend if needed, due to no home charger yet. Will update thread as appropriate.

Would an i3 rex not be better if you have no home charger?

Similar price and way better car imo

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201804245873774?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2017&postcode=m52ty&model=I3&page=1&make=BMW&fuel-type=Hybrid%20–%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

ELM327

Y2K86 wrote: »

Would an i3 rex not be better if you have no home charger?

Similar price and way better car imo

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201804245873774?advertising-location=at_cars&year-from=2017&postcode=m52ty&model=I3&page=1&make=BMW&fuel-type=Hybrid%20–%20Petrol%2FElectric%20Plug-in&onesearchad=Used&onesearchad=Nearly%20New&onesearchad=New

Saw some i3 Rex alright they are similarly priced but I want a car not a moon buggy. Can't stand the i3 tbh. It works on paper but if I'm spending 25-30k on an EV that's not even a Tesla I want to at least like how it looks! :pac:

And it's no home charger - yet. I'm going to give Nigel Daly a call later to get a quote. I've seen he has done installs at apartments with assigned parking before.

slave1

Getting back on topic, I phoned around for insurance quotes, Lordie Lordie, €1.5k+

Real world range, I could be looking at a work move which will entail a 170km daily commute, 95% of which is motorway so my question to those out there is what is your real world 120km/hr Model S range.
Ideally I'd like to have a car that can go two days without a charge i.e. 340kms @ 120km/hr in Winter...90D me thinks

ELM327

slave1 wrote: »

Getting back on topic, I phoned around for insurance quotes, Lordie Lordie, €1.5k+

Real world range, I could be looking at a work move which will entail a 170km daily commute, 95% of which is motorway so my question to those out there is what is your real world 120km/hr Model S range.
Ideally I'd like to have a car that can go two days without a charge i.e. 340kms @ 120km/hr in Winter...90D me thinks

340kms in winter would be possible but I don't think so at 120.
I'd have expected 300km max.

Soarer

ELM327 wrote: »

So... Despite my thread being initially about a used model S, I'm going to view an Ioniq today.
2017 ex demo with <10k on the clock.
https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-electric-ev-call-liam-087-65246/18624436

If I buy this I'm going to keep it for 2-3 years until my model 3 comes out. The range of 180-200km is sufficient for the daily commute with a 4 hour 7kW charge at work every day. We'll take the prius at the weekend if needed, due to no home charger yet. Will update thread as appropriate.

Hope you're getting it for a good price 'cause by all accounts, that ad looks like it's been up for a while.
Pics shows 4,000kms.
Ad states 8,000kms.
You say < 10,000kms.

ELM327

Soarer wrote: »

Hope you're getting it for a good price 'cause by all accounts, that ad looks like it's been up for a while.
Pics shows 4,000kms.
Ad states 8,000kms.
You say < 10,000kms.

I'd figure it is keenly priced already. Sure, I could get it 2k cheaper in the UK but I'm not up for the hassle.
It has been listed for a while though.

Theres that one, and a black one in Dublin.
And that's it for the country. I don't want the hassle of buying privately or in the UK, so I'm limited to what's available here.

€26k is not bad for a practically new car. I called and confirmed they have it in stock to view today, it's not just a "get you in the door" ad like some others on donedeal.

Idbatterim

Getting back on topic, I phoned around for insurance quotes, Lordie Lordie, €1.5k+

Im just after getting insured on a 2006 S500 for E620 for the year, TPFT... 34 year old male, 8 year ncb...

unkel

A 90D is a lot quicker than a '06 S500

unkel

samih wrote: »

Back in late 2017 I expected the AP1 cars to start hitting below GBP 40k this spring but apart from a few select ones the prices have actually stabilised close to 50k level now and even there the pickings are quite slim. That was why I decided back in Jan to save my pennies and ordered another LEAF again.

Yeah, same here. If the prices had come down a good bit further, I'd be in a Model S now. But I just can't justify it with prices the way they are.

It's doubly frustrating as like most of you my plan B was Model 3, but I can no longer get that car as it's not a hatchback, because of our new family member (dog)

Sabre Man

slave1 wrote: »

Getting back on topic, I phoned around for insurance quotes, Lordie Lordie, €1.5k+

Real world range, I could be looking at a work move which will entail a 170km daily commute, 95% of which is motorway so my question to those out there is what is your real world 120km/hr Model S range.
Ideally I'd like to have a car that can go two days without a charge i.e. 340kms @ 120km/hr in Winter...90D me thinks

I think a 340 km return trip should be doable based on my consumption of about 210 Wh/km between Dublin and Cork, although not all of that was motorway.

If anyone is interested I can provide more detailed consumption data the next time I do that trip.

I'm with Allianz and I pay just over €800 for a Model S 75.

slave1

Sabre Man wrote: »

...

If anyone is interested I can provide more detailed consumption data the next time I do that trip.

...

Yeah, that would be great, if I'm going to be doing that mileage I may want to move to more comfort and economics but it has to make financial sense as well as two days on a full charge, won't kill me to drop to 110kms to make the two days work

unkel

That's a 2015 car then, Sabre Man? Do you mind sharing how much you paid for it and how much the VRT was?

Sabre Man

unkel wrote: »

That's a 2015 car then, Sabre Man? Do you mind sharing how much you paid for it and how much the VRT was?

It's a new 2017 car. It cost just under 100k and VRT was a little over 10k.

ELM327

Just to update this thread as I started it about buying a model S. I've gone another avenue and bought an Ioniq instead, as I felt it was a better value for money proposition.

Will keep my model 3 deposit though!

cros13

Sabre Man wrote: »

A Tesla Wall Connector can be used to charge them both but you need to open up the Wall Connector to change a switch that makes it support other vehicles.

This is easy to do (I did it myself, the hard part was sourcing the correct screwdriver and bits to open the unit) and you'll also need this adapter:
https://eauto.si/metron-shop/?product=charging-station-adapter-type-2-type-1

We've got a Tesla Wall Connector, a Model S and a 24 kWh Leaf.

When you order the wall connector you just have to make sure to mention that you will be using another EV with it and they'll ship it already sorted.

On the "Dual Chargers" thing. That's not really an issue with european model S. They all have three 32A chargers (one per phase), while they may be software limited to 16A you can do a simple unlock through the Tesla portal after purchase.