Jürgen Klopp shooting his mouth off on Brexit

yabbav

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/23/brexit-makes-no-sense-and-britain-should-vote-again-says-jurgen-klopp


I find celebs pushing their opinions around very annoying but when you make a statement like that Britain should vote again but never acknowledges any of the concerns of the British people just shows him up.

Is mr Klopp suggesting that the EU doesn’t have to make any changes and it is the UK who should be given the option to chnage their mind?

Ulysses Gaze

yabbav wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/23/brexit-makes-no-sense-and-britain-should-vote-again-says-jurgen-klopp


I find celebs pushing their opinions around very annoying but when you make a statement like that Britain should vote again but never acknowledges any of the concerns of the British people just shows him up.

Is mr Klopp suggesting that the EU doesn’t have to make any changes and it is the UK who should be given the option to chnage their mind?

Tell us what you think.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Fella must have an issue with democracy or something.

yabbav

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Tell us what you think.

I think Mr Klopp should acknowledge that there is different views that should see both parties make changes if he wants the UK to stay so bad.

RobertKK

Francois Hollande the former French President says he doesn't want the UK back in the EU.

jacksie66

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yabbav

RobertKK wrote: »

Francois Hollande the former French President says he doesn't want the UK back in the EU.

Of course, he also hates democracy. France what a federal Europe.

Try_harder

Surely he is entitled to his opinion? Free speech and all that???

TitianGerm

yabbav wrote: »

I think Mr Klopp should acknowledge that there is different views that should see both parties make changes if he wants the UK to stay so bad.

It's actually Herr Klopp.

super_furry

So what’s annoying After Hours today? Is it the feminists, the Muslims or the travelers?

Juergen Klopp? Well it’s something new at least.

Kloppo can say and do whatever he wants though. If I came home from work and caught him in bed with my wife, I’d tuck him in.

yabbav

jacksie66 wrote: »

God forbid that a football manager is an actual person with an opinion..

He never backed up his view. He just said they should be given the chance to stay. Eu had no flaws for Jurgen it seems.

Mongfinder General

It’s not like the Germans to show up in a different country telling the locals what to do...

Mickeroo

Nothing worse than well known sports personalities going around being right about things.

Try_harder

yabbav wrote: »

He never backed up his view. He just said they should be given the chance to stay. Eu had no flaws for Jurgen it seems.

Did you not read the piece??? He seems to back it up to me?

BenEadir

yabbav wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2018/apr/23/brexit-makes-no-sense-and-britain-should-vote-again-says-jurgen-klopp


I find celebs pushing their opinions around very annoying but when you make a statement like that Britain should vote again but never acknowledges any of the concerns of the British people just shows him up.

Is mr Klopp suggesting that the EU doesn’t have to make any changes and it is the UK who should be given the option to chnage their mind?

Please do explain how he "pushed" his opinion? Do people with opinions, whether celebs or otherwise, not have opinions they are entitled to express?

Would you advocate removing opinions from celebs or curtailing them from expressing them? If so how would you define what a celeb is?

yabbav

Mickeroo wrote: »

Nothing worse than well known sports personalities going around being right about things.

What’s he right about. The EU should also make concessions to the British, they are not even acknowledging why they wanted to leave and just seem to be doubling down.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Giving a fairly benign opinion based on common sense is "shooting mouth off" now.

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Fella must have an issue with democracy or something.

The referendum was advisory and non-binding. The Leave campaign was based on mistruths and scaremongering.

Makes perfect sense to consult the people again with the above in mind - those who insist that a hard Brexit must unquestionably be followed are the ones who are far more anti-democratic.

yabbav

BenEadir wrote: »

Please do explain how he "pushed" his opinion? Do people with opinions, whether celebs or otherwise, not have opinions they are entitled to express?

Would you advocate removing opinions from celebs or curtailing them from expressing them? If so how would you define what a celeb is?

He is saying that 52% of the British public are wrong yet never acknowledges that they may have some legitimate concerns about the EU.

super_furry

yabbav wrote: »

He never backed up his view. He just said they should be given the chance to stay. Eu had no flaws for Jurgen it seems.

Ah c’mere are you seriously going to go all ‘citation needed!!!!’ on a football manager?

You should stand outside Goodison Park and scream for Sam Allardyce to come out and ‘debate me bro!’ At least there’s a chance that he might, especially if you bring gravy.

Try_harder

Democracy that seems to have been completely undermined by Leave s use of Cambridge Analytica

yabbav

Deleted User wrote: »

Giving a fairly benign opinion based on common sense is "shooting mouth off" now.



The referendum was advisory and non-binding. The Leave campaign was based on mistruths and scaremongering.

Makes perfect sense to consult the people again with the above in mind - those who insist that a hard Brexit must unquestionably be followed are the ones who are far more anti-democratic.

Were they saying mistruths when they said the Eu wanted a federal Europe and was it a mistruth when they pointed out the EUs communist tax harmonisation plans.

yabbav

Try_harder wrote: »

Democracy that seems to have been completely undermined by Leave s use of Cambridge Analytica

That’s playground level analysis

super_furry

Communist tax and Federal Europe? Any minute now you’re going to say Cultural Marxism, aren’t you?

yabbav

yabbav wrote: »

Eu had no flaws for Jurgen it seems.

Um...

THE ARTICLE THAT YOU LINKED TO BUT CLEARLY NEVER READ wrote:

"The choice was either you stay in Europe, which is not perfect..."

" The EU is not perfect but it was the best idea we had. History has always shown that when we stay together we can sort out problems. When we split then we start fighting. There was not one time in history where division creates success. So, for me, Brexit still makes no sense

Try_harder

yabbav wrote: »

Thats playground level analysis

Out of the mouthes of babes...

MonkeyTennis

Klopp is quite an astute chap

Ulysses Gaze

super_furry wrote: »

So what’s annoying After Hours today? Is it the feminists, the Muslims or the travelers?

Juergen Klopp? Well it’s something new at least.

Kloppo can say and do whatever he wants though. If I came home from work and caught him in bed with my wife, I’d tuck him in.

Only if he brings back a Sixth Big Ears, surely.....

yabbav

super_furry wrote: »

Communist tax and Federal Europe? Any minute now you’re going to say Cultural Marxism, aren’t you?

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/948225/Brexit-News-Emmanuel-Macron-EU-European-Union-politics-news

Loads on the tax plan too.

wexie

yabbav wrote: »

yet never acknowledges that they may have some legitimate concerns about the EU.

yeah he does, he literally said :

The EU is not perfect but it was the best idea we had. History has always shown that when we stay together we can sort out problems.

Try_harder

yabbav wrote: »

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/948225/Brexit-News-Emmanuel-Macron-EU-European-Union-politics-news

Loads on the tax plan too.

Quoting the Express??? Flinging faeces would be more advanced

So much for my playground analysis

yabbav

yabbav wrote: »

I think Mr Klopp should acknowledge that there is different views that should see both parties make changes if he wants the UK to stay so bad.

Given that the entire Brexit campaign was based on lies, jingoism, egregious ignorance and Europhobia, this request reminds me of that Dara Ó Briain clip (starting at 3:20), "For the sake of balance..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE

yabbav

Deleted User wrote: »

Um...

Sorting the problems would be given solid guarantee that they will not do their federal Europe and tax harmonsation would be a start.

yabbav

Deleted User wrote: »

Given that the entire Brexit campaign was based on lies, jingoism, egregious ignorance and Europhobia, this request reminds me of that Dara Ó Briain clip (starting at 3:20), "For the sake of balance..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDYba0m6ztE

Was the tax harmonization and plans for a federal Europe all lies?

wexie

yabbav wrote: »

Sorting the problems would be given solid guarantee that they will not do their federal Europe and tax harmonsation would be a start.

Because why?

Give us some arguments as to why you Yabbav thinks these things would be a bad idea?

super_furry

yabbav wrote: »

Was the tax harmonization and plans for a federal Europe all lies?

Who cares? Roma, Champions League semi-final tomorrow night! Get on the train baby.

Try_harder

yabbav wrote: »

Sorting the problems would be given solid guarantee that they will not do their federal Europe and tax harmonsation would be a start.

But do gypsies give Princess Dianas ghost AIDs? (something more likely to find in the Express than EU logical thinking)

yabbav

Try_harder wrote: »

Quoting the Express??? Flinging faeces would be more advanced

So much for my playground analysis

Quoting an article quoting Doctor Russell Foster from the Department of European & International Studies at King’s College London

These things haven’t gone away, it can go to one of two directions – it can go backwards towards the EEC or it can go forwards to some sort of the European federal empire.

“Macron is pushing for one of those, the rest of Europe is pushing to go back.”

Also unless you have been in a cave you might have seen Macrons speech in it recently.

The Backwards Man

I think Klopp should just lump it really. He lost.

yabbav

wexie wrote: »

Because why?

Give us some arguments as to why you Yabbav thinks these things would be a bad idea?

Are you for real

wexie

yabbav wrote: »

Are you for real

I am absolutely for real, so go on, give us your arguments as to why you think these would be bad things?

Beyond ranting and raving like.

alchemist33

Did he say the Brexit vote was "a useless result" and complain about Leave's pitch being too dry?

The Backwards Man

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think Klopp should just lump it really. He lost.

The world and its mother can see who's losing here, and it isn't that guy's side. And it won't be his side.

yabbav

wexie wrote: »

I am absolutely for real, so go on, give us your arguments as to why you think these would be bad things?

Beyond ranting and raving like.

Sovereignty, security , independence, freedom, where do you start

The Backwards Man

Deleted User wrote: »

The world and its mother can see who's losing here, and it isn't that guy's side. And it won't be his side.

But he's just making trouble. A bit petty really.

Vex Willems

Heres what he said today on Channel 4 when asked his opinion on Brexit (15 mins in)

wexie

yabbav wrote: »

Sovereignty, security , independence, freedom, where do you start

Those aren't arguments, they are words.

Would you care to flesh them out for us? How do you think those 'words' would be affected by a federal Europe? Or tax harmonization?

Good? Bad? Indifferent?

Or don't know? (I'm kinda leaning towards this one at the moment)

Mint Sauce

In terms of Brexit, Klopp is pretty much right, on all he said. It was that close, and the two main leave campaigners did step aside, although 'ran away' would have been a more accurate assesment.

But then if Klopp said the earth was flat, and the sky was pink, I would nearly listen to him, and beleive him as well. He is the most articulate, and interesting of all the English Football managers to listen to.

super_furry

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I think Klopp should just lump it really. He lost.

Won’t work. There’s no big physical target man up there to hold up the ball and bring others into the play.

Outlaw Pete

Was at a Q&A in the Lighthouse cinema this week and the director was asked a question about the film and started prattling on about Brexit. Just arrogantly assuming everyone there would agree with his dismissal of those that voted to leave. He's Irish and the question was about what it was like shooting a Zombie film in Dublin.

BeerFarts

You probably find celebs with different opinions to yours annoying, I doubt you're annoyed by those you agree with. They have opinions, it just so happens they get more attention because they're celebs or whatever. Get over it, whether you agree or disagree.

yabbav

wexie wrote: »

Those aren't arguments, they are words.

Would you care to flesh them out for us? How do you think those 'words' would be affected by a federal Europe? Or tax harmonization?

Good? Bad? Indifferent?

Or don't know? (I'm kinda leaning towards this one at the moment)

How do you see these tax changes effecting Ireland