Animal rights activists declare war on Russia

whisky_galore

Some good old-fashioned Russian pre-match entertainment...

Animal welfare groups have expressed outrage after a circus bear was used to open a soccer match in Russia's town of Pyatigorsk at the weekend.
The bear, named Tima, clapped to fans while standing on its hind legs and passed the ball to a referee before the third-tier match between FC Mashuk-KMV and FC Angusht on Saturday.

With just two months left before the World Cup kicks off, welfare groups say they hope the international outcry will bring an end to the practice of using wild animals for entertainment in the country.

UK director for animal welfare group Four Paw, Brian da Cal, said the footage of the performing bear in Russia was "shocking".

"The World Cup is obviously a huge sporting event that is coming up very soon. And I think a lot of people would be shocked to see that at a sporting event in a place like Russia," he said.

Footage of the performance posted online has drawn international condemnation as a case of animal exploitation.



https://www.rte.ie/news/newslens/2018/0418/955343-russia-bear-soccer/

seamus

Well, it's Russia. It's a backwards, savage place. Humans barely have any rights in Russia, so we shouldn't be surprised that they treat animals like sh1t.

BurnUp78

seamus wrote: »

Well, it's Russia. It's a backwards, savage place. Humans barely have any rights in Russia, so we shouldn't be surprised that they treat animals like sh1t.

Yeah remember when Ireland allowed animals to perform in circuses? Gosh how long ago was that? Thank goodness we are no longer savages like these Russians are their adorable clapping bear.

Graces7

dog shows, cat shows.... .

whisky_galore

seamus wrote: »

Well, it's Russia. It's a backwards, savage place. Humans barely have any rights in Russia, so we shouldn't be surprised that they treat animals like sh1t.

Something, something, sulky races?

Birneybau

Do you agree with chaining up bears for the craic?

You gave no opinion whatsoever

wexie

slow news day huh?

inforfun

UK director for animal welfare group Four Paw

Still hurts they missed out on organising the WC?

Mr. Incognito

If they were hungry they'd eat the bear in a heartbeat.

People are idiots

Graces7

Hardly an apt header

Glass fused light

whisky_galore wrote: »

UK director for animal welfare group Four Paw, Brian da Cal, said the footage of the performing bear in Russia was "shocking".

Declared War!!! :eek:





Someone should warn that lad to be carefully of what he drinks or the Russians Americans will get him.

weldoninhio

Birneybau wrote: »

Do you agree with chaining up bears for the craic?

You gave no opinion whatsoever

What about chaining dogs up? Bridling horses? etc?

Hande hoche!

Smart to start it earlier in the year than Barbarossa.

Elmer Blooker

seamus wrote: »

Well, it's Russia. It's a backwards, savage place. Humans barely have any rights in Russia, so we shouldn't be surprised that they treat animals like sh1t.

Western countries: Well ... the animal was born in captivity and wouldn't be able to fend for itself in the wild.

Russia: Backward savage place.

seamus

Hey, let's not be confused here; Animal welfare through most of the western world is awful. Ireland is one of the poorest.

But Russia and China, being the biggest nearly-western countries, take animal cruelty to new heights.

Knine

Graces7 wrote: »

dog shows, cat shows.... .

Dogs love shows. They are not forced to perform, they have to look their best so are extremely well looked after unlike the matted overweight pets banished to back yards with no company for most of their lives. Nothing like a wild animal forced to perform. Dogs love being with their owners.

Graces7

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

Western countries: Well ... the animal was born in captivity and wouldn't be able to fend for itself in the wild.

Russia: Backward savage place.

Really? Kremlin , Bolshoi Ballet ......Tolstoi...

Graces7

seamus wrote: »

Hey, let's not be confused here; Animal welfare through most of the western world is awful. Ireland is one of the poorest.

But Russia and China, being the biggest nearly-western countries, take animal cruelty to new heights.

We are very very bad indeed. Fix your own place first before gunning for others.

Glass fused light

Knine wrote: »

Dogs love shows. They are not forced to perform, they have to look their best so are extremely well looked after unlike the matted overweight pets banished to back yards with no company for most of their lives. Nothing like a wild animal forced to perform. Dogs love being with their owners.

See how the bear did not try to maul its owner or the ref this suggests it may have a smidgen of affection for its owner.

Discodog

seamus wrote: »

Hey, let's not be confused here; Animal welfare through most of the western world is awful. Ireland is one of the poorest.

But Russia and China, being the biggest nearly-western countries, take animal cruelty to new heights.

We have excellent legislation but no one to enforce it. The British have the RSPCA but they donate six times more per person than we do to animal welfare charities.

Graces7

Glass fused light wrote: »

See how the bear did not try to maul its owner or the ref this suggests it may have a smidgen of affection for its owner.

Remember Dickens? Oliver Twist? How the dog loved Fagan so much ?

weldoninhio

Graces7 wrote: »

Remember Dickens? Oliver Twist? How the dog loved Fagan so much ?

Yes, and more to the point, Goldilocks, the three bears didn't maul her.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yes, and more to the point, Goldilocks, the three bears didn't maul her.

Paddington was very docile and downright ecstatic living with the Browns.

gozunda

Animal rights activists declare war on Russia

That should go well ...

My money with the ruskies ... the activists wont know which way is up if they try some of the crap they get up to in the UK

gozunda

Discodog wrote: »

We have excellent legislation but no one to enforce it. The British have the RSPCA but they donate six times more per person than we do to animal welfare charities.

Ah the RSPCA - It gets lots of money but what does it do with? That has been the issue over the last decade or so ...


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/02/off-the-leash/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/rspca-plunged-fresh-turmoil-charity-watchdog-threatens-action/[url][/url]

Donald Trump

Hippies declare war on Russia???

My money is on Russia. They have a few more missiles.....

What odds is Paddy Power giving

beefburrito

Ban the Fckn puck fair while they're at it, Fck it and hang all bodhran and drummers too,....

The world's gone mad, lefties again.....

Knobs

masculinist

Ive seen videos from china of bears which would bring tears to your eyes.

Muslim Halal slaughter which happens in Ireland where the animal isnt stunned is barbaric and should be banned to.

I get the animal rights activists . They are complaining about current issues. Thats the best way to highlight animal welfare issues

DEFTLEFTHAND

Peter Stale Medicine wrote: »

Paddington was very docile and downright ecstatic living with the Browns.

Paddington (RIP) was a manic depressive who later developed a serious heroin addiction.

Glass fused light

Glass fused light wrote: »

See how the bear did not try to maul its owner or the ref this suggests it may have a smidgen of affection for its owner.

Its more likely he was drugged.

Nothing (apart from child abuse) flips my bitchswitch like animal cruelty, but bad as Russia can be it's Disneyland compared to parts of the middle East.

Zebra3

seamus wrote: »

Well, it's Russia. It's a backwards, savage place. Humans barely have any rights in Russia, so we shouldn't be surprised that they treat animals like sh1t.

Wait until you hear about this thing in Ireland called horse racing.

Huge crowds go along to cheer on thugs whippng horses to make them run faster than other horses that are being whipped.

Does be shown on the tv and all for the vermin that can’t get there to cheer on horses being whipped.

Big subsidies and all from the taxpayer.

And those who own these horses that are entered in these whipping races are deemed to be “respectable members of society”. :rolleyes:

gozunda

masculinist wrote: »

Ive seen videos from china of bears which would bring tears to your eyes.

Muslim Halal slaughter which happens in Ireland where the animal isnt stunned is barbaric and should be banned to.

I get the animal rights activists . They are complaining about current issues. Thats the best way to highlight animal welfare issues

These are some of the 'animal activists' concerned

http://www.goal.com/en/news/peta-condemns-brutal-treatment-of-bear-used-to-kick-off/1byag97vfghcp12zbnzx6sw0e6

This the kind of thing they get up to ...


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

I don't 'get the animal rights activists' ...

masculinist

gozunda wrote: »

There are the 'animal activists concerned

http://www.goal.com/en/news/peta-condemns-brutal-treatment-of-bear-used-to-kick-off/1byag97vfghcp12zbnzx6sw0e6

This the kind of thing they get up to ...


https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59e78243e4b0e60c4aa36711

I don't 'get the animal rights activists' ...

it depends which activists. I rarely agree 100% with anyone. And much of the stuff protesting Russia is merely a vehicle to criticize Russia , not for any real cause. If I had to choose between rescuing a puppy and a sjw activist Id probably save the puppy to be honest :pac:

Glass fused light

masculinist wrote: »

it depends which activists. I rarely agree 100% with anyone. And much of the stuff protesting Russia is merely a vehicle to criticize Russia , not for any real cause. If I had to choose between rescuing a puppy and a sjw activist Id probably save the puppy to be honest :pac:

Speciesist !!

gozunda

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Paddington (RIP) was a manic depressive who later developed a serious heroin addiction.

I thought he already had a serious sugar addiction?(honey)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-3673233/The-15-signs-sugar-addict.html

masculinist

Glass fused light wrote: »

Speciesist !!

Guilty lol

Glass fused light

Candie wrote: »

Its more likely he was drugged.

Nothing (apart from child abuse) flips my bitchswitch like animal cruelty, but bad as Russia can be it's Disneyland compared to parts of the middle East.

Could be, and what druggie does not love his dealer.

Serious comment
Drugged or not it has the power to do serious damage, and I don't know about it's teeth but its claws look to be still attached to its paws.

Shurimgreat

Sure he can pass a ball, but can he defend is the question?
If so he might make a good holding midfielder for some Russian 3rd division side.

Graces7

Knine wrote: »

Dogs love shows. They are not forced to perform, they have to look their best so are extremely well looked after unlike the matted overweight pets banished to back yards with no company for most of their lives. Nothing like a wild animal forced to perform. Dogs love being with their owners.

disagree, shows are demeaning to dogs;it exploits them for fame and money. Worse then the bear and totally unnatural.

Graces7

beefburrito wrote: »

Ban the puck fair

Definitely , and the Healy Raes

wexie

Graces7 wrote: »

disagree, shows are demeaning to dogs,

Glass fused light

Graces7 wrote: »

disagree, shows are demeaning to dogs,

Totally agree, I will never forget the look of shame in that little Poms eyes as it owner wiped its bum before it entered the ring.

Tuco88

Has the bear got Irish grandparents? Never mind keano in the midfield, imagine if we had bearo. A better passer than some of the donkeys we have.


Seriously its awful in this day and age. But who are we to give comment. Look at the sulky races and circus here fecking disgusting carry on.

The people in this world make it a dark sh*t hole. Overpopulation, Religious head bangers, egomaniac heads of state, A monarchy FFS its 2018. Now we have environmental nuts. 2018 it might as well be 1818 at times.

Knine

Graces7 wrote: »

disagree, shows are demeaning to dogs,

How exactly?

Tell that to my dogs. They get super excited when they see the car being packed for a show. The ones left behind are not happy. Dogs don't feel demeaned but they do love heading off for the day with their owners. To win Show Dogs have to be in top condition. They also won't die unwanted in a pound either.

Franz Von Peppercorn

seamus wrote: »

Well, it's Russia. It's a backwards, savage place. Humans barely have any rights in Russia, so we shouldn't be surprised that they treat animals like sh1t.

You are the most unoriginal thinker.

Discodog

gozunda wrote: »

Ah the RSPCA - It gets lots of money but what does it do with? That has been the issue over the last decade or so ...


https://www.spectator.co.uk/2013/02/off-the-leash/

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/13/rspca-plunged-fresh-turmoil-charity-watchdog-threatens-action/[url][/url]

If you see an abused animal in the UK the RSPCA will deal with it the same day.
If you see an abused animal in Ireland no one gives a ****.

Discodog

Knine wrote: »

How exactly?

Tell that to my dogs. They get super excited when they see the car being packed for a show. The ones left behind are not happy. Dogs don't feel demeaned but they do love heading off for the day with their owners. To win Show Dogs have to be in top condition. They also won't die unwanted in a pound either.

The problem with shows is that people believe that x breed is better or more desirable that y breed. The breed standards have led to breeds that can't even breath. The Cavalier that won at Crufts & featured on BBC Pedigree Dogs Exposed had an hereditary brain defect. The owner's own vet told her not to breed from him but she did & sold the puppies.

https://vimeo.com/17558275

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

Discodog wrote: »

The problem with shows is that people believe that x breed is better or more desirable that y breed. The breed standards have led to breeds that can't even breath. The Cavalier that won at Crufts & featured on BBC Pedigree Dogs Exposed had an hereditary brain defect. The owner's own vet told her not to breed from him but she did & sold the puppies.

https://vimeo.com/17558275

You are five to seven years out of date with that. Breed issues have been addressed since then.

Knine

Peter Stale Medicine wrote: »

You are five to seven years out of date with that. Breed issues have been addressed since then.

Absolutely. There is still an awful lot being done behind the scenes & more to do but people still throw out the old Snowballs that are long out of date.

The key is to only buy a puppy from a Reputable Breeder that health tests their dogs.

Sadly however most people don't do their research and that is why puppy farms are still in business.

Discodog

Peter Stale Medicine wrote: »

You are five to seven years out of date with that. Breed issues have been addressed since then.

Have puppy farms been addressed ? Has the obsessive desire for designer breeds been addressed ?

Introducing the vet checks was a positive first step, and we welcome the Kennel Club’s recognition that many pedigree dogs health and welfare is compromised as a result of the way they’ve been bred.

However, we’re concerned that they aren’t doing enough to improve the serious health and welfare problems of many pedigree dogs. For example, the checks only apply to 11 breeds, but a 2009 scientific study showed that all of the 50 most popular breeds have some aspect of their body whichmake them more likely to suffer from a disease.

In addition, these checks are very superficial, only assessing the dogs on face value on that one day. They’re not able to take into account ongoing or less obvious diseases, like neurological conditions or heart problems.

Vets are not allowed to exclude dogs because of exaggerations alone, even though it’s these exaggerations which can cause so many problems for the dogs

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/health/pedigreedogs/dogshows

Knine

Discodog wrote: »

Have puppy farms been addressed ? Has the obsessive desire for designer breeds been addressed ?

Introducing the vet checks was a positive first step, and we welcome the Kennel Club’s recognition that many pedigree dogs health and welfare is compromised as a result of the way they’ve been bred.

However, we’re concerned that they aren’t doing enough to improve the serious health and welfare problems of many pedigree dogs. For example, the checks only apply to 11 breeds, but a 2009 scientific study showed that all of the 50 most popular breeds have some aspect of their body whichmake them more likely to suffer from a disease.

In addition, these checks are very superficial, only assessing the dogs on face value on that one day. They’re not able to take into account ongoing or less obvious diseases, like neurological conditions or heart problems.

Vets are not allowed to exclude dogs because of exaggerations alone, even though it’s these exaggerations which can cause so many problems for the dogs

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/pets/dogs/health/pedigreedogs/dogshows

What have designer dogs & puppy farms got to do with dog shows?
Actually you are wrong. Many breeds now have to pass Vet checks to compete in their groups. No the health checks done by vets are much more invasive. Some tests involve GA, others are scans and blood tests. I recently tested all my own dogs. This involved taking swabs and sending them.for dna testing.

Always the same breeds mentioned. Anyone who is up to date with the latest information will know that a lot is being done. Also there are many many breeds with no exaggerations but nobody mentions them.