Morrissey denounces Halal meat as "evil" attacks Theresa May and Sadiq Khan

SharpshooterTom

Morrissey has made an extraordinary – even by his standards – series of pronouncements in a new interview published on his website, attacking halal meat producers, Theresa May, Diane Abbott and Sadiq Khan, among others.

The former Smiths frontman – already infamous for his statements on race, animal welfare and more – criticised halal meat production, the Islamic method of animal slaughter. He claimed that “halal slaughter requires certification that can only be given by supporters of Isis”, and described it as “evil”. He also described Jewish kosher food production as “very cruel”, and called for it to be banned.

Halal slaughter involves live animals having their throats cut and their blood drained. The vast majority of halal meat producers stun the animals before killing them, just as they do in non-halal production. To carry out halal slaughter, you must be a Muslim with a certificate of competence from the Food Standards Agency, and work in an approved abattoir. “I am not saying that stunned slaughter is acceptable, because it couldn’t ever be,” Morrissey added. “If you use the term ‘humane slaughter’ then you might as well talk in terms of ‘humane rape’.”

He criticised prime minister Theresa May for calling the Muslim Eid al-Adha festival a “joyous celebration” … “as millions of animals had their throats slit to mark the occasion. I wondered what kind of compassion she could possibly have.” He also said May was “incapable of leadership. She cannot say her own name unless it’s written down on a cue card in front of her.”

Elsewhere in the interview, he describes UK politics as “a moral disaster on every level. Even Tesco wouldn’t employ Diane Abbott [Labour’s shadow home secretary].” London mayor Sadiq Khan is also criticised: “London is debased. The mayor of London tells us about ‘neighbourhood policin’’ ... this is the mayor of London! And he cannot talk properly!”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain

Just saw Morrissey's name amongst the top trends on twitter and then found this

Does he actually believe all the crap he says or does he say these things to sell more tickets?

Stigura

Dunno.

Birneybau

That joke isn't funny any more. Bigmouth Strikes Again. Etc.

Also, his gigs still almost all sell out.

It's tiring thinking of the inevitable ad hominem attacks against Morrissey rather than the topic under discussion.
I agree with him in relation to halal slaughter and Diane Abbott though.

Harry Palmr

Mozza has been an idiot commentator for much of his public life, he must have been thrilled when twitter was invented.

Jim Bob Scratcher

Marty just can't keep out of trouble, the little hooligan.

DavidLyons_

Good man Morrissey. Love him or hate him, he's always good for straight shooting.

He's dead right about May, Khan and Abbott too.

Amirani

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain

Just saw Morrissey's name amongst the top trends on twitter and then found this

Does he actually believe all the crap he says or does he say these things to sell more tickets?

Having read his autobiography, I have no doubt he believes these things.

On the meat items above, I'm sure you might hear similar from many vegans. His statement on Khan though is ridiculous though IMO.

ceadaoin.

I remember a thread on another site the last time he said something annoying. Loads of people saying they see him in their local caf regularly eating meat. Wouldn't surprise me if he just says all this stuff for attention.

Irish Guitarist

He's right. It's a barbaric way to kill an animal.

jmayo

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain

Just saw Morrissey's name amongst the top trends on twitter and then found this

Does he actually believe all the crap he says or does he say these things to sell more tickets?

Feckin hell I have new found respect for Morrissey.
Still doesn't mean I want to sit through a concert of his.

He is on the money regarding the politicians and British politics.
May is an idiot whose Brexit strategy is just to keep the tories somehow together and fook the country.
Abbott is an eejit.
And Khan's answer to terrorism is that people should just accept it as part of living in a modern European city.

"As far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing,” said Morrissey. “But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless.

“It’s just a way of changing the subject. When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ‘hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was’.”

Nail on head.

And he goes on.

Speaking on the subject of acid attacks, he continued: “London is second only to Bangladesh for acid attacks. All of the attacks are non-white, and so they cannot be truthfully addressed by the British government or the Met Police or the BBC because of political correctness.

“What this means is that the perpetrator is considered to be as much of a victim as the actual victim. We live in the Age of Atrocity.”

dd972

He's a Mancunian of Dublin origins and people wonder why he's a gob****e!:eek: By default the chances are 200%!

Sonics2k

"As far as racism goes, the modern Loony Left seem to forget that Hitler was Left wing,” said Morrissey. “But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless.

“It’s just a way of changing the subject. When someone calls you racist, what they are saying is ‘hmm, you actually have a point, and I don’t know how to answer it, so perhaps if I distract you by calling you a bigot we’ll both forget how enlightened your comment was’.”

hahahahahahahaha

Nobody is really taking this man seriously if he thinks Hitler was Left Wing?

gozunda

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain

Just saw Morrissey's name amongst the top trends on twitter and then found this

Does he actually believe all the crap he says or does he say these things to sell more tickets?

He's gone vegan - I think that explains plenty.

Oh and he makes loads of money from his 'meat is muder' album and sounding off ..

Funny not all vegans appear to like him. Like this extreme bunch -

http://www.abolitionistapproach.com/after-30-years-morrissey-goes-vegan-but-calls-veganism-purist/

I wouldn't get too excited about what he says tbh

alchemist33

jmayo wrote: »

And Khan's answer to terrorism is that people should just accept it as part of living in a modern European city.

Do you have a reference for this? I keep seeing it on boards but can't find it

Amirani

Sonics2k wrote: »

hahahahahahahaha

Nobody is really taking this man seriously if he thinks Hitler was Left Wing?

Hitler was fairly left wing economically; the Nazis we're actually the National Socialist Workers Party. Stalin and Mao were clearly also left-wing in this sense, as is the North Korean Kim dynasty.

The big issue arises when people attempt to project economic, social and other ideologies on a stupid 2 dimensional line. So while what Morrissey said is accurate, it's being deliberately obtuse, but then, that's what he does...

Grayson

Deleted User wrote: »

It's tiring thinking of the inevitable ad hominem attacks against Morrissey rather than the topic under discussion.
I agree with him in relation to halal slaughter and Diane Abbott though.

Are they ad hominem if he's an idiot?

He's the kind of guy no-one wants on their side. Like Bob Geldolf. No Bob, you're not helping the remain argument.

Amirani

alchemist33 wrote: »

Do you have a reference for this? I keep seeing it on boards but can't find it

Khan is continually misquoted on it (Boards and elsewhere) which is a large part of the issue.

DavidLyons_

Grayson wrote: »

Deleted User wrote: »

It's tiring thinking of the inevitable ad hominem attacks against Morrissey rather than the topic under discussion.
I agree with him in relation to halal slaughter and Diane Abbott though.

Are they ad hominem if he's an idiot?

He's the kind of guy no-one wants on their side. Like Bob Geldolf. No Bob, you're not helping the remain argument.

Harsh on Morrissey there. Geldof is an utter cnut.

Amirani

Grayson wrote: »

Are they ad hominem if he's an idiot?

That's pretty ironic.

RustyNut

New album on coming out I'm guessing.

Stigura

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Does he actually believe all the crap he says or does he say these things to sell more tickets?

Stigura wrote: »

Dunno.

Okay. I just read the entire, original interview. Word for word. Every word. Hands up who else has ................................................ No? Okay.

It actually gives a fuller perspective.

But, carry on .....

lawred2

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

He's right. It's a barbaric way to kill an animal.

aren't all methods to kill an animal for mass consumption barbaric?

Graces7

lawred2 wrote: »

aren't all methods to kill an animal for mass consumption barbaric?

Of course they are ....

How Soon Is Now

Oh Morrissey I love you....

ceadaoin.

alchemist33 wrote: »

Do you have a reference for this? I keep seeing it on boards but can't find it

This is what he said

“Part and parcel of living in a great global city is you’ve got to be prepared for these things, you’ve got to be vigilant, you’ve got to support the police doing an incredibly hard job. We must never accept terrorists being successful, we must never accept that terrorists can destroy our life or destroy the way we lead our lives.”

Zebra3

May is particularly thick. Not sacking Jackson, actually even giving him a job in the first place, is inexcusable.

Or maybe she keeps him around as she thinks he’ll make her look good....

The Tories are so in the brown stuff that Rees-Mong is being touted as a saviour.

Sonics2k

Amirani wrote: »

Hitler was fairly left wing economically; the Nazis we're actually the National Socialist Workers Party. Stalin and Mao were clearly also left-wing in this sense, as is the North Korean Kim dynasty.

The big issue arises when people attempt to project economic, social and other ideologies on a stupid 2 dimensional line. So while what Morrissey said is accurate, it's being deliberately obtuse, but then, that's what he does...

I'm on mobile so I'm not going to go into the full details, but suffice to say, this has been cleared up an discussed dozens of times on After Hours alone.

Hitler was not a socialist. The Nazi Party were not socialists. The name was a lie.

Mao and Stalin claimed socialism, but were not in practice.

A key rule of socialism is income equality. None of the three believed in this.

Socialism is a flawed concept because humans are jerks.

But again, Hitler was not left wing. He believed in National Socialism, which is vastly different to Left Wing Socialism, eg Jeremy Corbin.

Again, on mobile so can only type so much. Apologies

Graces7

ceadaoin. wrote: »

This is what he said

Which does amount to saying that we have to expect it

Ash.J.Williams

ThomasFlynn wrote: »

Morrissey has made an extraordinary – even by his standards – series of pronouncements in a new interview published on his website, attacking halal meat producers, Theresa May, Diane Abbott and Sadiq Khan, among others.

The former Smiths frontman – already infamous for his statements on race, animal welfare and more – criticised halal meat production, the Islamic method of animal slaughter. He claimed that “halal slaughter requires certification that can only be given by supporters of Isis”, and described it as “evil”. He also described Jewish kosher food production as “very cruel”, and called for it to be banned.

Halal slaughter involves live animals having their throats cut and their blood drained. The vast majority of halal meat producers stun the animals before killing them, just as they do in non-halal production. To carry out halal slaughter, you must be a Muslim with a certificate of competence from the Food Standards Agency, and work in an approved abattoir. “I am not saying that stunned slaughter is acceptable, because it couldn’t ever be,” Morrissey added. “If you use the term ‘humane slaughter’ then you might as well talk in terms of ‘humane rape’.”

He criticised prime minister Theresa May for calling the Muslim Eid al-Adha festival a “joyous celebration” … “as millions of animals had their throats slit to mark the occasion. I wondered what kind of compassion she could possibly have.” He also said May was “incapable of leadership. She cannot say her own name unless it’s written down on a cue card in front of her.”

Elsewhere in the interview, he describes UK politics as “a moral disaster on every level. Even Tesco wouldn’t employ Diane Abbott [Labour’s shadow home secretary].” London mayor Sadiq Khan is also criticised: “London is debased. The mayor of London tells us about ‘neighbourhood policin’’ ... this is the mayor of London! And he cannot talk properly!”

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2018/apr/17/morrissey-denounces-halal-meat-as-evil-attacks-theresa-may-diane-abbott-sadiq-khan-isis-for-britain

Just saw Morrissey's name amongst the top trends on twitter and then found this

Does he actually believe all the crap he says or does he say these things to sell more tickets?

What part of it is untrue?

Ash.J.Williams

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I remember a thread on another site the last time he said something annoying. Loads of people saying they see him in their local caf regularly eating meat. Wouldn't surprise me if he just says all this stuff for attention.

That's a fairly silly post now isn't it?

Birneybau

ceadaoin. wrote: »

I remember a thread on another site the last time he said something annoying. Loads of people saying they see him in their local caf regularly eating meat. Wouldn't surprise me if he just says all this stuff for attention.

:rolleyes:

super_furry

Morrissey turning into your racist BNP uncle is one of the funniest things of the last 10 years.

Billy86

Sonics2k wrote: »

Hitler was not a socialist. The Nazi Party were not socialists. The name was a lie.

Whoa whoa whoa, you mean to tell me that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democracy!? :eek:

Ulysses Gaze

Billy86 wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa, you mean to tell me that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democracy!? :eek:

And therefore the German Democratic Republic was not a Democracy either!!

super_furry

Ah lads, you aren’t really going to do the ‘Nazi’s were socialists’ thing are you?

Aidric

This extract of the interview wasn't quoted in the OP and despite any value in his other points it's all undermined by the below quote.

Morrissey instead throws his weight behind For Britain, the far-right party set up by former Ukip member Anne Marie Waters, someone he namechecked in a recent concert on the BBC. He said he was supporting the party because “they have the best approach to animal welfare”.

super_furry

Aidric wrote: »

This extract of the interview wasn't quoted in the OP and despite any value in his other points it's all undermined by the below quote.

Nor was the fact that there’s a fairly large suspicion that Morrissey is interviewing himself in the actual interview, given how sycophantic it is and the fact that no-one has ever heard of the interviewer.

I heartily recommend browsing some Morrissey fan forums if you’re stuck for 10 minutes entertainment. It’d put the civil war here to shame.

gozunda

lawred2 wrote: »

aren't all methods to kill an animal for mass consumption barbaric?

Is that a rhetorical question you are asking?

alchemist33

ceadaoin. wrote: »

This is what he said

Thanks. Doesn't quite seem as bad as people make it out to be

Ash.J.Williams

I was actually thinking about Morrissey today, so many normal things we see and do are actually quite cruel, I was observing a camel ride today, so many people laughing and having fun, but if you step back for a second and look.. It's vile!

Amirani

Sonics2k wrote: »

I'm on mobile so I'm not going to go into the full details, but suffice to say, this has been cleared up an discussed dozens of times on After Hours alone.

Hitler was not a socialist. The Nazi Party were not socialists. The name was a lie.

Mao and Stalin claimed socialism, but were not in practice.

A key rule of socialism is income equality. None of the three believed in this.

Socialism is a flawed concept because humans are jerks.

But again, Hitler was not left wing. He believed in National Socialism, which is vastly different to Left Wing Socialism, eg Jeremy Corbin.

Again, on mobile so can only type so much. Apologies

I never said any of above were socialists. Again, you're just assuming left-wing and socialist are synonymous, they're not. Hitler can be left-wing economically and not be socialist in the same way that Netanyahu can be right-wing economically and not be a Christian Democrat.

Main overriding theme that left-wing and right-wing contain many subdivisions. Quite useless as specific labels these days.

Nermal

super_furry wrote: »

Morrissey turning into your racist BNP uncle is one of the funniest things of the last 10 years.

From the interview:

"But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject."

super_furry

Nermal wrote: »

From the interview:

"But of course, we are all called racist now, and the word is actually meaningless. It’s just a way of changing the subject."

Yeah Morrissey’s a genius alright. Say loads of racist stuff, support a racist political party, say that ISIS are behind Halal food and then shout ‘Pax! No backsies or returns! You can’t call me racist because I’m in den!’

Still, Everyday is Like Sunday was good.

Zebra3

Billy86 wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa, you mean to tell me that the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democracy!? :eek:

Not really a republic either...

alchemist33

Zebra3 wrote: »

Not really a republic either...

And it's in Cork

Irish Guitarist

lawred2 wrote: »

aren't all methods to kill an animal for mass consumption barbaric?

I'd say most non-Muslim people would either not think about where their meat comes from or they would prefer it came from an animal that was killed as quickly as possible.

What's barbaric is the insistence on making animals suffer as much as possible. "I'm not eating that chicken because it didn't have it's throat slashed and its veins drained of blood" sounds like the belief of someone from the stone age.

Amalgam

You're included in the Halal merry-go-round, wether you're Muslim or not, most chicken in northern Europe is killed Halal. It is a situation the poultry industry doesn't really want to talk about..

There's a backlash in the Netherlands over this. The death is *not* instant. Bleed out an animal, fine, but shock it first.

I distinctly remember RTE doing a feature on the very last Jewish butchers, here in Dublin, the cattle were turned over on a large metal contraption to bleed it out. No thanks. Just use a bolt and get it over with, no kinky stuff please.

SEPT 23 1989

One of the last great poets

He can say anything he wants

Skylinehead

Zebra3 wrote: »

Not really a republic either...

As for "Peoples"...

Hector Bellend

He's right about Teresa May