Should I reject offer in hope of a Better one?

Pivot Eoin

Been offered a Job, they originally came in at €70k, which I wasnt happy with, they came back a few hours later Offering base €73k, and have asked me to accept by Monday.

At the beginning of the process, I was told the Scale was €75k - €85k (Base by my understanding), Depending on performance in the process which was fine. They told me i performed very strongly then made those offers below the Scale.

The HR person is convinced she was saying the 75-85k scale was for total package, even though Im convinced it was basic. There is an 11k Bonus structure so it adds up I suppose, but She also mentioned the payment for this changed during the process, but didnt tell me.

Im convinced I'm the only candidate as its a very specific niche in this country, even though they are telling me they need to know by Monday to be fair to other candidates.

Should I reject the offer in hope of getting more in line with the original 75k to 85k scale I understood?

The standing offer isn't terrible, just not what I was expecting.

Feedback appreciated. E

Sixtoes

Difference between €75K & €73K will be about €20 quid a week in your pocket.

Pivot Eoin

Sixtoes wrote: »

Difference between €75K & €73K will be about €20 quid a week in your pocket.

Lol I know that, I'm actually more thinking it should have been closer to the 85k though. COnsidering their instructions at the start

I suppose it depends on your current situation. Can you afford to lose this job if the negotiations sour things? As an aside what area is job in as that is great money!

Jim2007

Pivot Eoin wrote: »

Lol I know that, I'm actually more thinking it should have been closer to the 85k though. COnsidering their instructions at the start

I would have thought 85K would be closer to what someone having already worked in the company would earn...

Appledreams15

God that is great money

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Tell me who they are and the job and I'll do it for €65k

jimmycrackcorm

Appledreams15 wrote:

God that is great money

Not if the norm in the area is higher.

OP, basically you're taking a gamble. You can stand your ground and insist that the job is worth the higher amount but only if you are certain there is no other competition or you think you can get that elsewhere.

myshirt

Tell them your number. Given they have offered an awkward number that's likely the upper end of their budget. Never ever believe clowns like that that told you 75-85. Remember, they missell you the job just as much as you missell yourself to the employer, there's always some degree of fluff in there.

Tell them if they can do 75 you are happy, rather than say a generic can you do better. From what you say, there's likely not more in them. So it's up to you to decide on other factors. Can you work with these people. Will you progress. Etc.

thewools

I was in a very similar situation last year whereby a recruitment company had advertised a range of x - y. I applied directly via a ex colleage who recommended me. I got an offer at x -5k and negotiated up to X but wanted Y.

They wouldn't budge and I tried to negotiate a sign on fee as I would have had to sacrifice my Xmas Bonus for that year. Didn't work out. I ended up rejecting the role and renegotiated my salary in current workplace.

But if this new role is something you really want then this is what should be priority. A job which is rewarding greatly exceeds a high paid sh*t job.

ballyargus

I would push for other terms. Flexibility in place of work (if not available already); additional leave; a more heavily incentivised bonus scheme. These are usually workable rewards that won't have the company breaching it's salary ceiling

tomwaits48

Appledreams15 wrote: »

God that is great money

It really isn’t.

Cloudio9

You don’t reject, you go back with calm, rational arguments why they should increase it. Having market salary data on the role would be helpful.


I wouldn’t worry too much about the Monday deadline if you’re still actively discussing the offer.

goalscoringhero

Cloudio9 wrote: »

You don’t reject, you go back with calm, rational arguments why they should increase it. Having market salary data on the role would be helpful.


I wouldn’t worry too much about the Monday deadline if you’re still actively discussing the offer.

This exactly.

They have disclosed their range (of base salary, presumably), their offer is below that range.
I expect potential employers to disclose the base salary, not overall package. Overall package can vary wildly, and may be linked to conditions outside of your control (e.g. overall company performance / stock market)

Are you interested in the job, leaving salary considerations aside for a moment?

If yes, go back to the table with reasonable arguments why you are worth 75k-85k.

What worked for me in the past was something like 'I have demonstrated my value in the past and I believe I will be very valuable to you, but I can't sell myself short. My expectations for base salary fall into the bracket that you have disclosed as X-Y.'

Avatar MIA

tomwaits48 wrote: »

It really isn’t.

Everything is relative.


Re the OP, at that level it's more the optics and self worth issues that creep into these decisions and can cloud judgement.

If I wanted a job I'd not push too hard to get an initial 2.7% increase, I'd back myself to prove I'm an asset to the company and ensure I get the top range of my potential bonus and a large annual increase in a year's time.

You may also be in for a hop re your exclusiveness for the role, if that's the case and unless it's a very small company or a minor enough role the salary isn't great at all. Or what if there's someone from abroad looking at the role? When we put up job adverts I'm amazed at the number of ex-pats/foreigners applying for the roles.

TL/DR Read the Golden Goose story

Avatar MIA

goalscoringhero wrote: »

What worked for me in the past was something like 'I have demonstrated my value in the past and I believe I will be very valuable to you, but I can't sell myself short. My expectations for base salary fall into the bracket that you have disclosed as X-Y.'

What worked for me the last time was something along the lines of, 'You wouldn't be hiring the person you think you're hiring if I didn't negotiate and accepted this offer. I believe X would be a reasonable starting salary because...' €7k pa extra earned.

But, the OP is beyond the initial stage, and is on an ultimatum which is a different situation.

Appledreams15

tomwaits48 wrote: »

It really isn’t.

It really really is.

I am travelling around Eastern Europe right now. When you compare Ireland to other parts of Europe, it is incredibly wealthy.

I am not sure how someone thinks 73k is not great money!

wally1990

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It really really is.

I am travelling around Eastern Europe right now. When you compare Ireland to other parts of Europe, it is incredibly wealthy.

I am not sure how someone thinks 73k is not great money!

*Notice*

Incoming cost of living in Ireland and taxation discussion

noel100

Bob24 wrote:

Secondly and more importantly it could overtime create a two tiers rental market in high demand areas with only poor quality and small accommodation available under the scheme in those areas (as there would be no incentive for landlords to renovate there property if the resulting increased rental value is all eaten up by taxes).

Collegue of mine last year had pushed the base salary to 41k and tried to get an extra 2k more and lost the job offer.
On offer was
41k + shift + vhi + pension contribution and built-in over time. Package close to 70k.
He is still working with us.

Appledreams15

Appledreams15 wrote: »

It really really is.

I am travelling around Eastern Europe right now. When you compare Ireland to other parts of Europe, it is incredibly wealthy.

I am not sure how someone thinks 73k is not great money!

Because this is boards, where some people can’t understand how anyone on under 80k can survive in Dublin

Yet the majority of us do just fine and do it in style

_Brian

They may well have a few strong candidates and are hedging their bets that one will accept the lower offer, I’ve seen this tactic before.
You can try stock it out but you could be passed over for the next candidate too.

spurious

Deleted User wrote: »

Because this is boards, where some people can’t understand how anyone on under 80k can survive in Dublin

Yet the majority of us do just fine and do it in style

Some of us do it, just about, on 16k.
OP I'd take it. Bird in the hand etc..

antodeco

Things you need to consider for any job:.

Why did you apply for that job?
What's the reason for leaving the old job?

If the new job is a positive on the second question, then you are halfway there. Changing job is not all about money, hence the first question

Pivot Eoin

Thanks for all the feedback. Given me some food for thought.

GhostyMcGhost

wally1990 wrote: »

*Notice*

Incoming cost of living in Ireland and taxation discussion

Which, ironically is being pushed higher by people who think €75k isn’t great money

Company needs to raise prices to pay for such salaries, ergo the cost of living keeps increasing

noel100

GhostyMcGhost wrote:

Company needs to raise prices to pay for such salaries, ergo the cost of living keeps increasing

GhostyMcGhost wrote:

Which, ironically is being pushed higher by people who think €75k isn’t great money

Then wage inflation happens and all the bad debt from the past disappear.

Avatar MIA

GhostyMcGhost wrote: »

Which, ironically is being pushed higher by people who think €75k isn’t great money

Company needs to raise prices to pay for such salaries, ergo the cost of living keeps increasing

We live in a capitalist society, no other system works better for the most people. People on high wages pay more tax to the government at a relatively low level than they receive themselves. This money the government uses to pay decent welfare rates.