Two clubs reactions to players' tweets about Belfast trial

QueenOfWexico

Two differing reactions from Laois GAA and Drogheda United football club.

http://leagueofireland.ie/index.php/2018/03/28/drogheda-united-horrified-by-a-players-tweet-on-paddy-jackson-trial/

https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/gaa/laois-gaa-issue-statement-disassociating-themselves-from-players-reaction-to-rugby-rape-trial-verdict-834735.html

I would personally feel that Drogheda responded better in this circumstance. Thoughts?

fatknacker

Well if nothing else, it's drawing the scummy sportsmen out of the woodwork and highlighting their gross attitudes toward women.

ted1

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major bill

Having a read through that Laois guys twitter he seems like a bit of a twat anyway.

Two idiots!! silly comments to put up on social media no matter how frustrated they might have felt as fellow sportsmen.

pleas advice

QueenOfWexico wrote: »

I would personally feel that Drogheda responded better in this circumstance. Thoughts?

responded better to what? two completely different things they were responding to

_Dara_

I think it’s time for Gary Walsh to smash his own skull open and start feasting on the goo inside. Good lord.

QueenOfWexico

pleas advice wrote: »

responded better to what? two completely different things they were responding to

Weren't both clubs responding to tweets sent out by a player of theirs who used very questionable language?

Yer Da sells Avon

Kind of funny though...

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Nekarsulm

How stupid can you get?

After 9 weeks of a trial where infantile, immature, sexist and misogynistic tweets were read out in public court to their senders great discredit, these guys seem to have learned nothing.

retro:electro

Jesus Christ, that tweet is shocking. And I’ve been reading the boards thread all evening, was beginning to think I’d become immune :pac:

pleas advice

QueenOfWexico wrote: »

Weren't both clubs responding to tweets sent out by a player of theirs who used very questionable language?

well one used 'tramps' and 'sluts', the other said 'feminists'. Lets say both were posted on Boards, one would earn you a swift ban, and rightly so, the other probably wouldn't..

_Dara_

retro:electro wrote: »

Jesus Christ, that tweet is shocking. And I’ve been reading the boards thread all evening, was beginning to think I’d become immune :pac:

I would be sooooo embarrassed if he was my son/grandson/brother/boyfriend. He just sounds so hard-of-thinking.

Summer In the City

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

Kind of funny though...

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Haha. He learned better english between them two tweets

QueenOfWexico

pleas advice wrote: »

well one used 'tramps' and 'sluts', the other said 'feminists'. Lets say both were posted on Boards, one would earn you a swift ban, and rightly so, the other probably wouldn't..

Well yes but then he also eloquently added that he'd 'throw the kitchen sink' at them :pac:

I know I'd get in trouble with work for saying that online

pleas advice

ah. I thought that was a brilliant line, in fairness

_Dara_

pleas advice wrote: »

ah. I thought that was a brilliant line, in fairness

No, it sounds like a line I’d have heard in school in the late ‘90s. Truly witless stuff.

retro:electro

You can agree the jury made the right decision without slapping the backs of those accused and calling for the head of the woman involved. There’s no winners here. At worst, these guys would have been rapists, and at the very best they’re inconsiderate foul mouthed arseholes.
Why would anyone want to defend that?

QueenOfWexico

retro:electro wrote: »

You can agree the jury made the right decision without slapping the backs of those accused and calling for the head of the woman involved. There’s no winners here. At worst, these guys would have been rapists, and at the very best they’re inconsiderate foul mouthed arseholes.
Why would anyone want to defend that?

Exactly.

You can have whatever opinion you want on it, but at the end of the day there is no reason to celebrate any verdict from a rape trial. Be it guilty, or not guilty. There are no winners.

Yer Da sells Avon

"All yee (sic) feminists come at me I'll throw the kitchen sink at ye"

*a few hours later...*

"In relation to my earlier tweet, I would like to apologise..."

Love how he's only apologising for negative attention brought to the GAA, his team and their sponsors, rather than for calling for an innocent person to be "destroyed".

pleas advice

retro:electro wrote: »

At worst, these guys would have been rapists, and at the very best they’re inconsiderate foul mouthed arseholes.
Why would anyone want to defend that?

I'm not defending it, at all. but the people who had them written off as rapists from the start shouldn't be surprised if there is some backlash

QueenOfWexico

pleas advice wrote: »

I'm not defending it, at all. but the people who had them written off as rapists from the start shouldn't be surprised if there is some backlash

It wasn't right for people to write them off either, but two wrongs surely don't make a right?

What is most concerning here is that two sportsmen who are role models in their respective clubs/communities actually thought it was fine to mouth off such utterly disgraceful drivel publicly.

Summer In the City

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

"All yee (sic) feminists come at me I'll throw the kitchen sink at ye"

*a few hours later...*

"In relation to my earlier tweet, I would like to apologise..."

Love how he's only apologising for negative attention brought to the GAA, his team and their sponsors, rather than for calling for an innocent person to be "destroyed".

In an organisation I grew up in that I loved as a child, the GAA can stick it up their bums after letting Mickey Harte give a character reference for a convicted rapist and still be respected.

gormdubhgorm

fatknacker wrote: »

Well if nothing else, it's drawing the scummy sportsmen out of the woodwork and highlighting their gross attitudes toward women.

I think that is a little bit unfair both men are uneducated male sportmen and are well aware of the fact that the same thing could happen to them someday on any given night out.
Yes, their language is coarse and choice but that is the way young fellas of such backgrounds speak in everyday life.
You can be sure neither gentleman was ever in college with the debating team...

Personally I think the court case lifted the lid on the out of control binge drinking culture which was the main cause of the court case in the first place.
Worse still it seems to be accepted as normal when it is not.

That is far more shocking and saddening to me that in this island that people have to get blind drunk and call it a good time.

The girl was just as bad as the lads drinking that amount with complete disregard for his own safety.

major bill

pleas advice wrote: »

I'm not defending it, at all. but the people who had them written off as rapists from the start shouldn't be surprised if there is some backlash

Twitter certainly isn't the place to air that backlash especially from two sports people playing at a National level. How might Laois Women supporters of whom I am guessing some wouldn't agree with the verdict react to this. Might be a personal opinion by the lad but the minute he advertises the fact on his bio that he plays for Laois he is more or less representing them online so very silly tweeting something like that in a public domain.

diomed

What is most shocking is footballers think people are interested in their opinions.

Zebra3

Is it any business of the clubs what these people post in their own time?

With regard to the Gah player, I assume he’s an amateur. What right have they to monitor or comment on his opinions?

The bloke playing for Drogheda is probably on €50 or €100 a week. Does this give Drogheda United a right to hold him to account for his comments outside of football?

Are we all accountable to our employers for our social media use?

Sidebaro

Zebra3 wrote:

Is it any business of the clubs what these people post in their own time?

If they post something controversial and people boycott matches, reducing ticket sales, then of course they're going to want to be seen to deal with it.

eviltwin

The thing I find most worrying is the amount of people assuming the woman in this case was a liar. I said it on the main thread and I will repeat it here, it's possible the woman involved did feel she was raped and the men involved believed it was consensual. Painting her as a liar is no different to painting them as rapists.

kneemos

The Lord protect and preserve us from any more rape trials and abortion referendums.

major bill

Zebra3 wrote: »

Is it any business of the clubs what these people post in their own time?

With regard to the Gah player, I assume he’s an amateur. What right have they to monitor or comment on his opinions?

The bloke playing for Drogheda is probably on €50 or €100 a week. Does this give Drogheda United a right to hold him to account for his comments outside of football?

Are we all accountable to our employers for our social media use?

These guys weren't playing for RagBall Rovers though, they are representing both teams at a National Level. It's not like they were posting it on their Facebook where its more locked down to family and friends, they posted it on Twitter for everyone to see and twitter can be a very unforgiven place. Once they have their team advertised in their bio (Laois lad did anyway) that to me is a representation of that team and that teams values so I think they were right to come out and distance themselves.


Common sense like, think before you post online

Cork Lass

Zebra3 wrote: »

Is it any business of the clubs what these people post in their own time?

With regard to the Gah player, I assume he’s an amateur. What right have they to monitor or comment on his opinions?

The bloke playing for Drogheda is probably on €50 or €100 a week. Does this give Drogheda United a right to hold him to account for his comments outside of football?

Are we all accountable to our employers for our social media use?

If their bio photo shows them wearing the club jersey, which Walshes does, then yes I do think it is the clubs business. Appalling comments by both of them to be fair.

Defunkd

Unless a twitter user expresses their own personal views as being indicative of the organisations, the organisation should steer clear of it.
Both clubs could have left their statements at personal opinions not being representative of the club.

Such fear of twitter mobs nowadays.

Zebra3

Sidebaro wrote: »

If they post something controversial and people boycott matches, reducing ticket sales, then of course they're going to want to be seen to deal with it.

But what right do these organisations have to censure the point of view of these individuals?

Will they be allowed criticise anyone in the abortion referendum? What if they want to slag off a political party? What if they oppose gay marriage?

Sidebaro

Zebra3 wrote:

But what right do these organisations have to censure the point of view of these individuals?

Zebra3 wrote:

Will they be allowed criticise anyone in the abortion referendum? What if they want to slag off a political party? What if they oppose gay marriage?

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's the way it is. Although, maybe less controversial views would be allowed.

Zebra3

Sidebaro wrote: »

I'm not saying it's right, I'm saying that's the way it is. Although, maybe less controversial views would be allowed.

What are Drogheda United or Laois GAA gonna do? Ban the players? Fine them?

Sleeper12

QueenOfWexico wrote:

I would personally feel that Drogheda responded better in this circumstance. Thoughts?

Judging by the comments they seem to be the same calibre of scumbags as their northern rugby friends. They appear to have the same respect for women.

gormdubhgorm

eviltwin wrote: »

The thing I find most worrying is the amount of people assuming the woman in this case was a liar. I said it on the main thread and I will repeat it here, it's possible the woman involved did feel she was raped and the men involved believed it was consensual. Painting her as a liar is no different to painting them as rapists.

I would say she was that drunk it completely clouded the whole case, not only her own judgement.
A court of law found the men in question not guilty as the issue of lack of consent could not be proven definitively.

The lads are going to be tarred with this for life regardless of the result did they rape her etc?.
Plus the woman will be known for her questionable morals and behavior etc.

I hear all this talk about respect but very little about self-respect on both sides.
Does an individual have no responsibility for thier own actions and safety now?

Sidebaro

Zebra3 wrote:

What are Drogheda United or Laois GAA gonna do? Ban the players? Fine them?

If it effects ticket sales then I assume they would?

dr.fuzzenstein

I think in a time where we can instantly post anything that comes into our heads, I think people are finding out what nasty pieces of work people in general are.
When we talk face to face, we only think these things and don't say them out loud, but with mobile phones everyone can post sh*te at a seconds notice.
And we find out that we are pretty crap and horrible deep down inside.

Permabear

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josip

Summer In the City wrote: »

Haha. He learned better english between them two tweets

Oh, the irony.
Or do I need to turn up my sarcasm detector?

Ursus Horribilis

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I think in a time where we can instantly post anything that comes into our heads, I think people are finding out what nasty pieces of work people in general are.
When we talk face to face, we only think these things and don't say them out loud, but with mobile phones everyone can post sh*te at a seconds notice.
And we find out that we are pretty crap and horrible deep down inside.

A talk on social media usage wouldn't go amiss in these clubs, I think. I sometimes wonder do these people forget that anyone out there can read their tweets and take screenshots of them. It looks like the rape trial hit a sore nerve with these lads but what they posted was ill-advised drivel at best.

Fann Linn

Sidebaro wrote: »

If it effects ticket sales then I assume they would?

In fairness I don't think Laois GAA or Drogheda FC are exactly Dublin, Kerry or Barcelona.

Tsipras

What about all these idiots who protested today in Dublin over innocent people being acquitted?
Should they be named and shamed and lose their jobs?

Fann Linn

Tsipras wrote: »

What about all these idiots who protested today in Dublin over innocent people being acquitted?
Should they be named and shamed and lose their jobs?

In a case which took place in a foreign jurisiction.

Mtx

Is this the type of news we care about now? What people tweeted about?

Richard Hillman

Amazing the the way a Tweet by a League of Ireland player gets more attention than a Current League of Ireland player actually convicted in partaking in a Gang Rape of a Minor

gormdubhgorm

Permabear wrote: »

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Bit of a gerneralisation there.
At a function for Bliain na Gaeilge in Croke Park recently Rena Buckley was a speaker there.
She was lauded as the only GAA player male or female to have 18 all-ireland medals.
http://www.the42.ie/rena-buckley-18-all-ireland-medals-3591351-Sep2017/

Also see Niamh Briggs womens rugby full back
https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/niamh-briggs-returns-for-ireland-s-clash-with-france-1.3377918

Grab All Association

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Amazing the the way a Tweet by a League of Ireland player gets more attention than a Current League of Ireland player actually convicted in partaking in a Gang Rape of a Minor

That lot don’t care about children. Those out protesting today are the same people who vigorously defend minorities who exploited children in the U.K. He’s white and Irish though so it’s unusual they are letting him off.

Yer Da sells Avon

Grab All Association wrote: »

That lot don’t care about children. Those out protesting today are the same people who vigorously defend minorities who exploited children in the U.K. He’s white and Irish though so it’s unusual they are letting him off.

Can you be more specific and tell us who vigorously defends individuals who sexually exploited children in the UK?

Sidebaro

Tsipras wrote:

What about all these idiots who protested today in Dublin over innocent people being acquitted? Should they be named and shamed and lose their jobs?

That's different so no.