Cow with Laminitis

ford4610

Hi All, I bought a cow a month ago and I have had treat her two weeks ago for swelling at the hoof and lameness. I got the vet out today as she has got bad again, he said she is bad and only fit for the factory.

Surely the seller is liable as this did not happen over night, so he should take her back.

Please let me know your thoughts.

Lady Haywire

Was she sold as a dry cow or a suckler?
Most dry cows are sold as seen, no comebacks, whereas sucklers have a sort of 'guarantee' on them to be correct or else they can go back to seller.

ford4610

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Was she sold as a dry cow or a suckler?
Most dry cows are sold as seen, no comebacks, whereas sucklers have a sort of 'guarantee' on them to be correct or else they can go back to seller.

She is pedigree cow I bought private she wasn't incalf but he said she is cycling regularly and there is no faults with her.

tanko

If she was cycling regularly and had no faults i doubt he would have sold her. As it was a private sale i cant see you getting anywhere unless he's a generous sort which is unlikely,
Have you spoken to him about it?

ford4610

tanko wrote: »

If she was cycling regularly and had no faults i doubt he would have sold her. As it was a private sale i cant see you getting anywhere unless he's a generous sort which is unlikely,
Have you spoken to him about it?

He is a elderly man and he is getting out of sucklers he said. Yes he is going to talk to his brother he was a vet.

Lady Haywire

Seems strange that someone would sell on a pedigree cow with no faults if she was cycling regularly, you'd imagine he'd keep her or sell her incalf. Was it close to home or did you find her on Done deal?
Out of interest, what breed & what was she treated with. We had a limousin that had to get Tylosin each year as she had a bad foot, would swell up like a balloon around the shin & above the clouts.

Edit- i see you say he was elderly, hard to imagine he'd be a con sort when he's of the older generation.

ford4610

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Seems strange that someone would sell on a pedigree cow with no faults if she was cycling regularly, you'd imagine he'd keep her or sell her incalf. Was it close to home or did you find her on Done deal?
Out of interest, what breed & what was she treated with. We had a limousin that had to get Tylosin each year as she had a bad foot, would swell up like a balloon around the shin & above the clouts.

Edit- i see you say he was elderly, hard to imagine he'd be a con sort when he's of the older generation.

Close to home. He knows my uncle from down through the years.

Hereford and Oxytetracycline

greysides

Acting as Devil's Advocate.... 'swelling at the hoof and lameness'.... doesn't sound to me to be laminitis, sounds more like an infection and that could have come on within the time after you bought her....

IF it was confined to one crub and IF it was a backleg and IF you wanted to keep her then it's possible to amputate the bad crub.

Gawddawggonnit

greysides wrote: »

Acting as Devil's Advocate.... 'swelling at the hoof and lameness'.... doesn't sound to me to be laminitis, sounds more like an infection and that could have come on within the time after you bought her....

IF it was confined to one crub and IF it was a backleg and IF you wanted to keep her then it's possible to amputate the bad crub.

20cc Naxel into the back of the ear?

greysides

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

20cc Naxel into the back of the ear?

Antibiotic treatment could be tried but from the vets comment i was assuming it was considered to be gone beyond that. If it was coming from infection within the foot then paring might establish drainage.

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

20cc Naxel into the back of the ear?

I find similar stuff good, the generic version of excenel, Ceftiofur is the active ingredient. Naxcel would be handy for a suckler to save doing it over a few days with excenel

White Clover

Was it yourself or the vet that diagnosed her 2 weeks ago? Have you considered getting a good experienced hoofcare guy to investigate? They are the experts on hooves and would more than likely diagnose the problem correctly and treat if necessary or possible.

ford4610

White Clover wrote: »

Was it yourself or the vet that diagnosed her 2 weeks ago? Have you considered getting a good experienced hoofcare guy to investigate? They are the experts on hooves and would more than likely diagnose the problem correctly and treat if necessary or possible.

Just myself ya I thought it was just a infection as she was lame. The swelling went down after the antibiotics but last few days swelling up again.

That hoof has rot and is cracked, also other front is cracked.

No but that might be a option.

ford4610

Photo attached of hoof. This was after I washed it out.

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

I find similar stuff good, the generic version of excenel, Ceftiofur is the active ingredient. Naxcel would be handy for a suckler to save doing it over a few days with excenel

Lol, you know your drugs Moo!

I tried to ‘manufacture’ Naxcel using Certiofur and rapeseed oil, but failed. Wouldn’t mix properly.
Naxcel certainly isn’t cheap.
I use it on culls that are going off to grass to be fattened.

Gawddawggonnit

ford4610 wrote: »

Photo attached of hoof. This was after I washed it out.

A good hoof parer would sort that.
Tetracycline and bandage etc.
20cc Naxcel into the ear.

White Clover

ford4610 wrote: »

Photo attached of hoof. This was after I washed it out.

A good hoofcare man is what you need. It looks A lot like neglect. She should have been seen to months ago.

A good tip is if you have a lame cow is get her looked at straight away. Why delay? Do your best to get it sorted without the use of antibiotics. Antibiotics are being used to mask husbandry which is not a road you should be going down.

Lady Haywire

I third a hoofcare man, sure looks like neglect over a period of time. Did you buy her in the field by any chance & didn't see her feet?

ford4610

Lady Haywire wrote: »

I third a hoofcare man, sure looks like neglect over a period of time. Did you buy her in the field by any chance & didn't see her feet?

She was in a winterage was walking fine when I bought her and collected her. It was only yesterday when I washed her foot out yesterday I saw how bad it was.

This hoof has been bad for a long time by looks of it, my opinion is the seller should take her back and look after the problem himself.

charolais0153

ford4610 wrote: »

She was in a winterage was walking fine when I bought her and collected her. It was only yesterday when I washed her foot out yesterday I saw how bad it was.

This hoof has been bad for a long time by looks of it, my opinion is the seller should take her back and look after the problem himself.

Ring tje seller and talk to him

ford4610

charolais0153 wrote: »

Ring tje seller and talk to him

I have, I said she has been like this with more than a month. He will be back to me today.
I said to him did you not see anything, he thought at one stage it might have only been the ground.

I am not footing the bill the rectify them problem.

ford4610

White Clover wrote: »

A good hoofcare man is what you need. It looks A lot like neglect. She should have been seen to months ago.

A good tip is if you have a lame cow is get her looked at straight away. Why delay? Do your best to get it sorted without the use of antibiotics. Antibiotics are being used to mask husbandry which is not a road you should be going down.

Exactly, she obviously has been this way with months. She wasn't only lame for a few days and after a course of antibiotics swelling when down and lameness went.

After examining closer yesterday it needs to be sorted asap if it can be.

greysides

That is a long standing problem. The vertical crack tells you that. While it may not be impossible to get it right (horizontal and vertical cracks, proud flesh at coronet, chronic changes in foot, not suitable for amputation) I think the chances of success are poor. The time and expense would be very hard to justify. Your vet was correct, IMO.

ford4610

greysides wrote: »

That is a long standing problem. The vertical crack tells you that. While it may not be impossible to get it right (horizontal and vertical cracks, proud flesh at coronet, chronic changes in foot, not suitable for amputation) I think the chances of success are poor. The time and expense would be very hard to justify. Your vet was correct, IMO.

Ya I got a surprise yesterday when I washed it out as the dirt was covering it up.

tanko

Looks like he pulled a fast one on you. It doesnt say much for him that he let her foot get to that state. Thats been going on for a good while.
Maybe im wrong but it looks too late for a hoof parer to rescue.
Caveat Emptor.

ford4610

Lads what is the factory value of her? She is about 700 kg

tanko

Have you given her antibiotics, if so she cant be killed until the withdrawl periods are up.

ford4610

tanko wrote: »

Have you given her antibiotics, if so she cant be killed until the withdrawl periods are up.

No I haven't again as vet said no point, only 2 weeks ago withdrawal is 28 days.

I will be pushing for the seller to take her back.

Base price

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Lol, you know your drugs Moo!

I tried to ‘manufacture’ Naxcel using Certiofur and rapeseed oil, but failed. Wouldn’t mix properly.
Naxcel certainly isn’t cheap.
I use it on culls that are going off to grass to be fattened.

Your have to be taking the piss posting that

Never wrestle with pigs

She's probably worth €1200/€1300 on the hook. Just take her in after the withdrawal and call it a lesson.

ford4610

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

She's probably worth €1200/€1300 on the hook. Just take her in after the withdrawal and call it a lesson.

The seller will be taking her not me, its his problem he sold the cow with a fault.

valtra2

ford4610 wrote: »

The seller will be taking her not me, its his problem he sold the cow with a fault.

Is stock not usually sold as seen.

ford4610

valtra2 wrote: »

Is stock not usually sold as seen.

Well in my books he sold her with that condition and she was lame only two weeks after I got her. Its only when it was washed out you could see how bad it was.

I also said to him did he not see anything and he said he only thought it was the ground she was in.

Never wrestle with pigs

TBH that's fairly obvious. Chalk it down as a lesson and move on. We've all had a few of them.

ford4610

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

TBH that's fairly obvious. Chalk it down as a lesson and move on. We've all had a few of them.

I wont be giving up that easily!

whelan2

What did you pay for her?