No irish chinese or irish indian?

drillyeye

I have never come across a Chinese restaurant or takeaway run/operated by irish people.

Ditto for indian, Mongolian, Japanese, French etc (maybe Italian is an exception?)

Do people actually believe that following a recipe is some kind of magical thing that only natives can do?

Do people need the complete illusion of "authenticity"?

Is there some other reason why you rarely see this? Maybe a closed community for supplies or something (doubtful!)?

Theres massive opportunity for irish people that just seems to go completely unnoticed? Is it that they work for very low wages (hence the constant immigration raiding)?

Anyone able to provide insider knowledge on this?

Check the poll before you wreck your hole.

Supergurrier

Shurre Genghis Khan invaded China for a spice box.

How can we top that

Omackeral

This is gonna shock you but chicken balls and chips or the 3 in 1 that you get from the Chinese folks from the local Rose Garden isn't exactly the essence of Cantonese cuisine either.

drillyeye

Omackeral wrote: »

This is gonna shock you but chicken balls and chips or the 3 in 1 that you get from the Chinese folks from the local Rose Garden isn't exactly the essence of Cantonese cuisine either.

No doubt.

So why aren't irish people operating something so simple?

dxhound2005

Ulaanbaatar sausage.

bloodless_coup

drillyeye wrote: »

No doubt.

So why aren't irish people operating something so simple?

Some do. But a China man would be more qualified to make the pseudo Chinese food.

endacl

doylefe wrote: »

Some do. But a China man would be more qualified to make the pseudo Chinese food.

A man made of porcelain?

bodice ripper

doylefe wrote:

Some do. But a China man would be more qualified to make the pseudo Chinese food.

Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature

drillyeye

doylefe wrote: »

Some do. But a China man would be more qualified to make the peudo Chinese food.

I've never seen it myself.

But why would a competent chef of ANY nationality not be able to follow a recipe from anywhere? I'm not talking about getting it perfectly right in one go either, but a practiced chef who has done a certain dish thousands of times.

I think its one of the biggest cons going to be honest, especially at the lower end when it comes to buying tubs of "Chinese curry sauce" and pre-made chicken balls from some supplier. Real "authentic"!

Just to add: its more likely a Chinese chef has done a recipe thousands of times of course, but why wouldn't an enterprising irish chef just practice and get in on the game instead? Theres like 1 Chinese takeaway per person in Ireland, there must be some bloody good business in it.

drillyeye

bodice ripper wrote: »

Dude, Chinaman is not the preferred nomenclature

preferred by who, the thousands of billions of Chinese that cant even read English?

_Dara_

Chinese takeaway food is truly mank in this country. I’d say it bears little resemblance to actual Chinese food.

PTH2009

I actually get Sausages and onion rings sometimes in the Chinese. not sure what there made off though lol

love Crispy shredded chicken in curry sauce

Noveight

drillyeye wrote: »

Check the poll before you wreck your hole.

At the time of opening this thread I found that there was no poll and my hole subsequently became wrecked. What do I do now?

JCX BXC

If they use the same flavourings and techniques, there's no problem.

I dislike most of these new Asian street food places though, a mass up of several different Asian foods with a dummed down Irish flavour. I enjoy my Chinese and Indian food to be spicy and bursting with flavour, not some take on it so that Martin and Shelia who cook the same meal every day can enjoy some more flavourless food.

pleas advice

I'd love to eat some authentic Kai food cooked in a traditional hangi oven... but of course, there are no Maori on the island

drillyeye

_Dara_ wrote: »

Chinese takeaway food is truly mank in this country. I’d say it bears little resemblance to actual Chinese food.

So why haven't irish people jumped all over it then if its already so bad and easy to replicate? That's the root of my question.

bodice ripper

drillyeye wrote:

preferred by who, the thousands of billions of Chinese that cant even read English?

Pc gone mad, is it?

drillyeye

Noveight wrote: »

At the time of opening this thread I found that there was no poll and my hole subsequently became wrecked. What do I do now?

Take your nappy off, and fold it up reaalllll sweet. Hop in the bed and strum your diddums till the postman knocks on Wednesday.

Only thing for it.

dreamliner

JCX BXC wrote: »

If they use the same flavourings and techniques, there's no problem.

I dislike most of these new Asian street food places though, a mass up of several different Asian foods with a dumbed down Irish flavour. I enjoy my Chinese and Indian food to be spicy and bursting with flavour, not some take on it so that Martin and Shelia who cook the same meal every day can enjoy some more flavourless food.

I think that's an unfair judgment of Irish people. I find Irish people are actually very often willing to try out different flavours and love a kick to their food, obviously many then will have their personal preferences.

I have been to more than a few countries in which nothing but local cuisine is eaten, if something foreign is eaten then it's with something that gives it a similar taste to the local cuisine anyway.

drillyeye

bodice ripper wrote: »

Pc gone mad, is it?

No, just stupidity on behalf of people that don't even know about it in the first place.

Did you know that in mainland china they call irish people


愤愤不平


?

You didn't? Well who gives a fook then!

drillyeye

pleas advice wrote: »

I'd love to eat some authentic Kai food cooked in a traditional hangi oven... but of course, there are no Maori on the island

So if you had the ingredients, the know-how (google) and a traditional hangi oven.......

why would you need a maori?

pleas advice

JCX BXC wrote: »

If they use the same flavourings and techniques, there's no problem.

The year was 1968. We were on recon in a steaming Mekong delta. An overheated private removed his flack jacket, revealing a T-shirt with an ironed-on sporting the MAD slogan "Up with Mini-skirts!". Well, we all had a good laugh, even though I didn't quite understand it. But our momentary lapse of concentration allowed "Charlie" to get the drop on us. I spent the next three years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew made of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right!

drillyeye

pleas advice wrote: »

The year was 1968. We were on recon in a steaming Mekong delta. An overheated private removed his flack jacket, revealing a T-shirt with an ironed-on sporting the MAD slogan "Up with Mini-skirts!". Well, we all had a good laugh, even though I didn't quite understand it. But our momentary lapse of concentration allowed "Charlie" to get the drop on us. I spent the next three years in a POW camp, forced to subsist on a thin stew made of fish, vegetables, prawns, coconut milk, and four kinds of rice. I came close to madness trying to find it here in the States, but they just can't get the spices right!

This brings me back! I was just across from your cage, crucified on the pole, remember!

Remember how we laughed when the pigs ate my feet! So many laughs! And then when they served you up some of the pig that had eaten my feet, and I said "You're literally eating me right now!......how we laughed through the night, drunk on the local fermented piss "pam-tam-tay", cant get that for love nor money on this rock.

The good times.

dd972

_Dara_ wrote: »

Chinese takeaway food is truly mank in this country. I’d say it bears little resemblance to actual Chinese food.

Mind you, getting to China to get the real stuff isn't like jumping on a Dart.

riffmongous

drillyeye wrote: »

I've never seen it myself.

But why would a competent chef of ANY nationality not be able to follow a recipe from anywhere? I'm not talking about getting it perfectly right in one go either, but a practiced chef who has done a certain dish thousands of times.

I think its one of the biggest cons going to be honest, especially at the lower end when it comes to buying tubs of "Chinese curry sauce" and pre-made chicken balls from some supplier. Real "authentic"!

Just to add: its more likely a Chinese chef has done a recipe thousands of times of course, but why wouldn't an enterprising irish chef just practice and get in on the game instead? Theres like 1 Chinese takeaway per person in Ireland, there must be some bloody good business in it.

It's too low grade stuff to interest any practiced Irish chef I'd say, if you were any way decent you'd set your sights a bit higher.

But you are essentially right though and better quality restaurants often have quite an international staff, but at the lower end everything is.. yeah..and you are only going to attract cheap labour or people who prefer to work in those conditions for ease, language, culture, whatever

Minderbinder

drillyeye wrote: »

_Dara_ wrote: »

Chinese takeaway food is truly mank in this country. I’d say it bears little resemblance to actual Chinese food.

So why haven't irish people jumped all over it then if its already so bad and easy to replicate? That's the root of my question.

Perhaps the business model is not as successful as you think it is... especially if you have to hire staff and pay them a legal wage.

Your Face

Reminds me of that time I ordered a black russian.

CalRobert

To be fair, there is more to a meal than a recipe. You'll notice only one place has managed to get tacos right here (El Grito) and it's the only place a person can order in Spanish that I know if.

corks finest

drillyeye wrote: »

I have never come across a Chinese restaurant or takeaway run/operated by irish people.

Ditto for indian, Mongolian, Japanese, French etc (maybe Italian is an exception?)

Do people actually believe that following a recipe is some kind of magical thing that only natives can do?

Do people need the complete illusion of "authenticity"?

Is there some other reason why you rarely see this? Maybe a closed community for supplies or something (doubtful!)?

Theres massive opportunity for irish people that just seems to go completely unnoticed? Is it that they work for very low wages (hence the constant immigration raiding)?

Anyone able to provide insider knowledge on this?

Check the poll before you wreck your hole.

Used go to a Cypriot restaurant in kilburn years ago whose signature dish on a Sunday was bacon and cabbage yum( especially to us craving for it)

OldMrBrennan83

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dudara

Isn’t the Bombay Pantry chain owned and ran by Irish people? As is most of those chains like Camille and Diep.

Patww79

Patww79 wrote: »

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Can you not read the thread for yourself? Or do the sour fúcks brigade not do that?

uck51js9zml2yt

_Dara_ wrote: »

Chinese takeaway food is truly mank in this country. I’d say it bears little resemblance to actual Chinese food.

You're correct.
I lived in China for a while and what you get here is muck.

There is a Thai restaurant in D7 that has every nationality working there except Thai....go figure!

The best Chinese restaurants are in Parnell Street. When you have Chinese menus and Chinese customers something is right.

OldMrBrennan83

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Wheeliebin30

Dont the chinese government give there citizens money to open restaurants in other countries around the world?

Quietly taking over, under the radar.

And im ok with that.

chewed

drillyeye wrote:

preferred by who, the thousands of billions of Chinese that cant even read English?

Or the thousands of Irish that "cant" even write English!

bodice ripper

drillyeye wrote:

No, just stupidity on behalf of people that don't even know about it in the first place.

Yeah, that must be it.

Gravelly

Omackeral wrote: »

This is gonna shock you but chicken balls and chips or the 3 in 1 that you get from the Chinese folks from the local Rose Garden isn't exactly the essence of Cantonese cuisine either.

Funnily enough, I work with an Indian guy, and he claims that he is within 10 minutes walking distance of more good Indian restaurants where he lives in Dublin than he was when he lived in Chennai!

Ralf and Florian

When I visited Wexford town some years back there was an Indian run by an Irish couple.

Nekarsulm

https://www.tripadvisor.ie/Restaurant_Review-g1050090-d3737454-Reviews-Rahulton_s_Indian_Restaurant-Belturbet_County_Cavan.html

Indian restaurant (and B&B if you overdose on the Kingfisher) near me. Ran by an Irish/English couple.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

bodice ripper wrote: »

Pc gone mad, is it?

****ing hope not. Spent three hours getting rid of malware last night.

Chris_Heilong

For a take away I dont care who runs it but for a restaurant it would have to be ethnic all the way, in fact depending on where in China the chef comes from the food can be influenced by their regional preferences(more salty or sweet or spicy) even if the dish they cook in from a different region.

Subcomandante Marcos

dd972 wrote: »

Mind you, getting to China to get the real stuff isn't like jumping on a Dart.

No, but there are umpteen authentic chinese restaurants within spitting distance from dart stops around Capel and Parnell Street (even just off of O'Connell Street).

B.A._Baracus

A lot of Chinese takeaways don't even have any Chinese workers over here. Go figure!
and it is fairly easy to spot once you have an eye (or an ear) for the differences in Asian languages. My girlfriend has spotted quite a lot that in fact are Taiwanese.
I reckon they are laughing at the average Irish-Joe who can't tell the difference :pac:

It would be no different than say a German person opening a "British fish and chip restaurant" in Tokyo, Japan while the workers blatantly speak German and you see German written on the wall near the till.

B.A._Baracus

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A lot of Chinese takeaways don't even have any Chinese workers over here. Go figure!
and it is fairly easy to spot once you have an eye (or an ear) for the differences in Asian languages. My girlfriend has spotted quite a lot that in fact are Taiwanese.
I reckon they are laughing at the average Irish-Joe who can't tell the difference :pac:

It would be no different than say a German person opening a "British fish and chip restaurant" in Tokyo, Japan while the workers blatantly speak German and you see German written on the wall near the till.

All those fools eating food from the Republic of China by mistake.

Subcomandante Marcos

drillyeye wrote: »

I have never come across a Chinese restaurant or takeaway run/operated by irish people.

Ditto for indian, Mongolian, Japanese, French etc (maybe Italian is an exception?)

Do people actually believe that following a recipe is some kind of magical thing that only natives can do?

Do people need the complete illusion of "authenticity"?

Is there some other reason why you rarely see this? Maybe a closed community for supplies or something (doubtful!)?

Theres massive opportunity for irish people that just seems to go completely unnoticed? Is it that they work for very low wages (hence the constant immigration raiding)?
Anyone able to provide insider knowledge on this?

Check the poll before you wreck your hole.

There are plenty of "asian" restaurants in Dublin and the rest of the country owned by and run by Irish people, and they tend to resemble the food of the countries they claim to be "inspired" by in name alone.

If you want good chinese food in Ireland, the best places to try are the restaurants along Capel Street and Parnell Street with a good handful of very worthwhile establishments scattered across the rest of the city centre.
If you want good indian food, forget Popadom and their slave labour and seek out places like Madina Desi Curry on Mary's Street.

The best thai restaurant in Ireland isn't in Ranelagh or Donnybrook being run by Irish lads who spent a weekend at a full moon party, it's in places like Kin Khao in Athlone being run by the wife of an Athlone native and several of her family from Northern Thailand near Athlone Castle.

Ditto japanese food, vietnamese food, nepalese food and so on.

When you have chefs who grew up, trained, gained experience in and understand the food culture of specific places and understand the flavour profiles of that cuisine, they will almost always be better able to prepare and deliver that style of food than people from other culinary traditions.

Subcomandante Marcos

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A lot of Chinese takeaways don't even have any Chinese workers over here. Go figure!
and it is fairly easy to spot once you have an eye (or an ear) for the differences in Asian languages. My girlfriend has spotted quite a lot that in fact are Taiwanese.
I reckon they are laughing at the average Irish-Joe who can't tell the difference :pac:

It would be no different than say a German person opening a "British fish and chip restaurant" in Tokyo, Japan while the workers blatantly speak German and you see German written on the wall near the till.

There are Chinese and ethnically chinese people from China, Taiwan, Malaysia, The Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, and other southeast asian states operating chinese restaurants in Ireland and the rest of the western world, but the food is still chinese food.

Imagine confusing Taiwanese food and Chinese food, I mean, their traditions, language and history are so vastly different, you'd swear they haven't been different legal jurisdictions for less than 70 years!

*insert rolleyes*

gandalfio

drillyeye wrote: »

I have never come across a Chinese restaurant or takeaway run/operated by irish people.

Ditto for indian, Mongolian, Japanese, French etc (maybe Italian is an exception?)

Do people actually believe that following a recipe is some kind of magical thing that only natives can do?


Do people need the complete illusion of "authenticity"?

Is there some other reason why you rarely see this? Maybe a closed community for supplies or something (doubtful!)?

Theres massive opportunity for irish people that just seems to go completely unnoticed? Is it that they work for very low wages (hence the constant immigration raiding)?

Anyone able to provide insider knowledge on this?

Check the poll before you wreck your hole.

There's no demand for it becuase it's ****e

B.A._Baracus

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

There are Chinese and ethnically chinese people from China, Taiwan, Malaysia, The Philippines, Indonesia, Singapore, and other southeast asian states operating chinese restaurants in Ireland and the rest of the western world, but the food is still chinese food.

Imagine confusing Taiwanese food and Chinese food, I mean, their traditions, language and history are so vastly different, you'd swear they haven't been different legal jurisdictions for less than 70 years!

*insert rolleyes*

We're talking about Chinese takeaways that the most popular food people order are trios dude. Catering towards what Irish people think is Chinese food.

but am sure a condescending person such as yourself will have something to say about that

YFlyer

Gravelly wrote: »

Funnily enough, I work with an Indian guy, and he claims that he is within 10 minutes walking distance of more good Indian restaurants where he lives in Dublin than he was when he lived in Chennai!

A group of us from our research group went to the Jasmine Palace in Limerick with a Chinese couple. We ordered from the menu and they ordered something that wasn't even on the menu and got it.

YFlyer

Ralf and Florian wrote: »

When I visited Wexford town some years back there was an Indian run by an Irish couple.

There is an Indian take away near me run by some Pakistan people. I ordered a pork vindaloo. They didn't do. I said it must be vegetarian restaurant. They said no no we have beef, chicken and lamb vindaloo.