Rest Home in RTE?

Brendan Bendar

Is this the start of it.

Following a case where an employee was awarded €50k in an ‘ageism case’ one wonders if this is the start of a new ‘campaign’?

What are folks views on this, I wonder, should people in nice secure well paid employment move on at age 65 and leave the progression open for others or should they hang on till performance issues arise and the subsequent ‘falling out’ happens, and it usually does.

Looks like there is a rump out in Montrose unhappy with the current set up,and in my opinion this could be a very big issue not too far into the future.

Thin end of the wedge??

garbo speaks

Please god, do not let me have to watch Kathryn Thomas on TV for the next 74 years.

Brendan Bendar

garbo speaks wrote: »

Please god, do not let me have to watch Kathryn Thomas on TV for the next 74 years.

That’s what you could be facing garbo, make absolutely no mistake about that.

Hector Bellend

RTE employees are like highlander. Gay Byrne is deathproof

SEPT 23 1989

The ones who are self employed on the holiday camp can go on until they drop

The_Valeyard

Dont see why anyone should be forced to retire at 65 if they are of sound body and mind.

I am a bit conflicted by this on the one hand if someone wants to work let them, on the other hand, you have to give younger people a chance. I don't have a lot of time for those whose whole life is work and haven't made a plans for retirement.

Why is someone like Pat Kenny still working every day, doing something occasionally is different.

buried

The licence fee has pretty much generated an actual licence for RTE to not bother their ar$e to innovate any sort of forward pushing shows, presenters or ideas. If this was a private station ran to this sort of extreme level of uselessness it would have collapsed on its face a long long time ago. Even the couple of younger presenters seem to be trained or told to emulate and copy the older presenters that have gone before. The whole TV side of RTE is an utter tired old joke, so poor and halfarsed, but all of them on there think they are on a massive culturally significant station or something while their presenters performances and production output is really, really poor. Nothing or nobody new or innovative. Its amazing because back in the days when there was no or little money they managed to create a few good things, now, it's just really really bad.

Brendan Bendar

This is bigger than RTE, but it starts there.

Let’s not forget that if folks are allowed to ‘hang on’ indefinitely it will be hugely cost ineffective, deprive those coming up through the ranks of opportunities, and encourage lifers and ‘ seat blockers’ to ‘drop anchor’ and hang in till they are forced out,all which stirs up another nest of hornets.

If it ain’t broke stay away from it.

facehugger99

With continuing increases in life expectancy and our demographics shifting to a far older populace, I think it's inevitable that retirement ages will get pushed up a bit.

I don't think people should be allowed to hang on indefinitely mind.

bodhrandude

I'm waiting in anticipation for Builderplumber to come on the thread, as he is one of the more outspoken about the state of Irish television, why can't they pick up This Ain't No Disco from the net, Donal Dineen is doing a fine job with that.

Brendan Bendar

facehugger99 wrote: »

With continuing increases in life expectancy and our demographics shifting to a far older populace, I think it's inevitable that retirement ages will get pushed up a bit.

I don't think people should be allowed to hang on indefinitely mind.

Well then the State needs to, and fast, sort out a solution.

Can it continue to pay an employee €120k to occupy a seat, contribute little, but based on ‘legislation’ can’t be gotten rid of?.

Huge jungle of problems there for the taxpayer, who as it stands, is relatively free from those problems.

If the PS allow that kind of ethos, costs will skyrocket and ordinary folk like you and I will be ridden ragged, pissed on, supporting these jerks on Greek holidays, traveling the world, necking two bottles of Chateau du Pape a night!! and staggering into work next day on liquorice stick legs.


Open your eyes peeps, this is going to be big.

bigroad

A few words come to mind.
Entitlement.
And hungry cow.

Brendan Bendar

bigroad wrote: »

A few words come to mind.
Entitlement.
And hungry cow.

Would be in broad agreement with those sentiments.

Ursus Horribilis

An issue that got skirted over when they announced the end of the mandatory retirement age is what you do when people are no longer able to do their jobs properly. Like dementia, for example. That creeps up on people and they start off by being less sharp than they had been. Or people who can't physically do the work they could do. It's a can of worms nobody wants to open.

Mrs OBumble

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

An issue that got skirted over when they announced the end of the mandatory retirement age is what you do when people are no longer able to do their jobs properly. Like dementia, for example. That creeps up on people and they start off by being less sharp than they had been. Or people who can't physically do the work they could do. It's a can of worms nobody wants to open.

No it's not.

You just performance manage them out, like you would for a younger person who wasn't performing.

Agreed that no one really wants to PM and old person who's given years of good service.

But compulsory retirement, especially at less than the state pension eligibility age, is nonsense: if people want to work and are able for it, there's no reason why they shouldn't.

What would be helpful is mechanisms to let people move to less responsible positions as they age.

Brendan Bendar

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

An issue that got skirted over when they announced the end of the mandatory retirement age is what you do when people are no longer able to do their jobs properly. Like dementia, for example. That creeps up on people and they start off by being less sharp than they had been. Or people who can't physically do the work they could do. It's a can of worms nobody wants to open.

No, it was brought up but not fully addressed.

You are correct, it’s a can of worms and I have to say I was surprised a Prof Crown today on Ray D, being very vehement in support of allowing people to stay on.

Huge issues surround this, and I can safely say RTE will be at the forefront for the campaign.

I can see it building.

Ursus Horribilis

How do you manage out someone who's a public servant on a permanent contract?

odyssey06

The state retirement age was raised to 68... in light of that, no employer should be able to dismiss someone because of some arbitrarily set earlier retirement age i.e. one that doesn't consider whether the employee is capable of carrying out the work.

What's the person supposed to do between 65 and 68?

Beechwoodspark

Title should prob be old folks home not rest

Ursus Horribilis

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

You are correct, it’s a can of worms and I have to say I was surprised a Prof Crown today on Ray D, being very vehement in support of allowing people to stay on..

Irony of ironies, I've a friend who has an ongoing health condition. She was attending a well-known but retired consultant who was continuing to work privately. A man who was a household name back in the day. He has since died but I shan't be naming names. She ended up going elsewhere when she realised his mental sharpness had gone south. Perhaps 65 is a safeguard against hungry folk who want to continue milking the teat.

facehugger99

odyssey06 wrote: »

What's the person supposed to do between 65 and 68?

Golf.

Baking.

Crosswords perhaps?

odyssey06

facehugger99 wrote: »

Golf.
Baking.
Crosswords perhaps?

Careful now all that excitement could be too much... plus need to leave some things undone, and some funds, for when you hit 68.

odyssey06

Ursus Horribilis wrote: »

Perhaps 65 is a safeguard against hungry folk who want to continue milking the teat.

So how does it make sense to have a state retirement age of 68???

Someone can be incapable of continuing to do their job at 60... some can continue until 68. 65 is an abritrary number. We need a more accurate safeguard.

If someone is medically incapable of doing their job they will be on state disability. They will just be milking a different teat.

Brendan Bendar

odyssey06 wrote: »

So how does it make sense to have a state retirement age of 68???

Someone can be incapable of continuing to do their job at 60... some can continue until 68. 65 is an abritrary number. We need a more accurate safeguard.

If someone is medically incapable of doing their job they will be on state disability. They will just be milking a different teat.

If the taxpayer, people like you and me, are paying , then continuing to pay folk at the top of their pay scale after 65 is stupid when cheaper younger folk are coming up thru the ranks.

Gives them a break and a chance as well to progress.

May sound harsh but it's business.

If the older person is that good let them get a job in the pvt sector

odyssey06

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If the taxpayer, people like you and me, are paying , then continuing to pay folk at the top of their pay scale after 65 is stupid when cheaper younger folk are coming up thru the ranks.

Gives them a break and a chance as well to progress.

May sound harsh but it's business

No its not its ageism.

If its about business abolish increments and have pay bands per grade ... no reason why a 65yo doing the same job as a 30yo should be paid more.

If the younger person is so good let them make it elsewhere.

dxhound2005

70 will be the normal retirement age soon, and it will continue to go up. With a lot of people going to school until they are around 25, that is fair enough. They need to contribute a proper span of years to the income tax pot.

Even in France things are on the move. Soon train drivers there might have to work beyond the age of 52.

diomed

odyssey06 wrote: »

The state retirement age was raised to 68... in light of that, no employer should be able to dismiss someone because of some arbitrarily set earlier retirement age i.e. one that doesn't consider whether the employee is capable of carrying out the work.

What's the person supposed to do between 65 and 68?

Get a job.

suicide_circus

I'll be working til my mid 90s at this stage

dxhound2005

suicide_circus wrote: »

I'll be working til my mid 90s at this stage

When are you going to start?

suicide_circus

dxhound2005 wrote: »

When are you going to start?

17 years ago

dirtyden

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

If the taxpayer, people like you and me, are paying , then continuing to pay folk at the top of their pay scale after 65 is stupid when cheaper younger folk are coming up thru the ranks.

Gives them a break and a chance as well to progress.

May sound harsh but it's business.

If the older person is that good let them get a job in the pvt sector

Why let someone that is good (but getting on a bit) go to the private sector just to give an unknown younger person a chance purely because of age?

That does not sound like good business.

odyssey06

diomed wrote: »

Get a job.

No sorry we don't hire people with grey hair. They stopped us turning down blacks and women so now we take it out on old people. Just because we can.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/106514630#Comment_106514630

Because instead of paying at the top of the scale for years, you are giving a younger person a chance.

screamer

I don’t think older people should be forced out of the workplace if they are still capable of doing the job well. Age discrimination is a huge issue, even prior to 60s, try being hired into a company in your 50s, very difficult as they are hiring younger, cheaper people. With the cost of living and massive mortgages, we will have to work into our later years out of necessity, and for most workers, gone are the gilded defined benefit pensions. Ageism will become an issue for everyone, in time

Out on your ear at 65.

Brendan Bendar

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117719641#Comment_117719641

Yep, get your snout out of the trough, give others a chance.

Hotblack Desiato

Since when has being capable of doing the job well been a criterion for being an RTE presenter?

It doesn't matter if you are related to the right people.

Atlantic Dawn

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117719641#Comment_117719641

Not quiet that in RTE, you are let off on your pension and then back within months as a contractor. Aonghus McNally retired as a producer in RTE on June of this year yet has been back multiple times as producer on Liveline. Talk about zero sucession planning, joke of an organisation.

Gary Scrod

A quick google search shows that Tubridy is 48. Only another 32 years until he leaves our screens. 🤮

Montage of Feck

It's mad the amount of people in rte married to other people in rte.

KaneToad

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117721514#Comment_117721514

Was surprised to hear his name mentioned as a producer on Liveline recently. He's hardly retired a wet weekend from RTE and now he's back as a contractor...