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Suspended sentence for false rape allegation

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  • #2
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    Translating the article and as someone sensitive to mental health issues - she's a nutter. Locking her up is the last thing anyone needs. A suspended sentence was completely appropriate and I hope she gets the help she needs.

    The guy is extremely lucky, if she was so drunk as not to be able to consent then it would have been rape. Sticking your disco stick in a drunk woman in a car park is just asking for trouble.


  • #3
    lifeandtimes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lifeandtimes


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Translating the article and as someone sensitive to mental health issues - she's a nutter. Locking her up is the last thing anyone needs. A suspended sentence was completely appropriate and I hope she gets the help she needs.

    The guy is extremely lucky, if she was so drunk as not to be able to consent then it would have been rape. Sticking your disco stick in a drunk woman in a car park is just asking for trouble.

    Bit of difference with the article and your comment.

    She accused a foreign narional wearing a green hoodie of rape.
    She drank too much and had "consensual" sex with an Irish man in a laneway.
    The foreign narional had nothing to do with it.
    Also it doesn't say she was a nutter, it just says there's were lengthy probation and psychiatric reports.
    Nothing to confirm she suffers from a mental illness that would obstain her from making accusations and if there is she really shouldn't be out drinking "copious amounts of alcohol"


  • #4
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    lifeandtimes wrote: »
    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/woman-found-guilty-of-making-false-report-of-rape-gets-suspended-sentence-36702444.html

    I'm actually disgusted at this.

    This will in no detear false allegations in the future and is an almighty slap in the face for all the woman who have actually been raped.

    In light of the last 8 months of times up and me too you think this would have been taken more seriously and an example been set

    The sentence for making a false rape allegation should be exactly the same as the sentence for the crime.

    Face on the news and the same length of time in jail.


  • #5
    Samuel T. Cogley
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,684 ✭✭✭✭Samuel T. Cogley


    lifeandtimes wrote: »
    Bit of difference with the article and your comment.

    She accused a foreign narional wearing a green hoodie of rape.
    She drank too much and had "consensual" sex with an Irish man in a laneway.
    The foreign narional had nothing to do with it.
    Also it doesn't say she was a nutter, it just says there's were lengthy probation and psychiatric reports.
    Nothing to confirm she suffers from a mental illness that would obstain her from making accusations and if there is she really shouldn't be out drinking "copious amounts of alcohol"

    Quite right about the man sorry. However she is 'under psychiatric care'. There is absolutely no point in jailing her. She's better off getting treatment. She's on a suspended sentence with a criminal record. She's not been let off.


  • #6
    Defunkd
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 408 ✭✭Defunkd


    Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »
    Quite right about the man sorry. However she is 'under psychiatric care'. There is absolutely no point in jailing her. She's better off getting treatment. She's on a suspended sentence with a criminal record. She's not been let off.
    Article says she has since got married and has a stable home environment. She's not in a psych ward or hadn't been signed in. I'd wager money that it was her defence who emphasised her mental health issues, in a bid for leniancy.
    'See, she wasn't responsible for this...it was her mental health, the poor cratur.'


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  • #7
    Blazer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,472 ✭✭✭✭Blazer


    Guaranteed it was her defense...it’s the standard reply nowaday.
    She should have been named and jailed.


  • #8
    schemingbohemia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,606 ✭✭✭schemingbohemia


    Blazer wrote: »
    Guaranteed it was her defense...it’s the standard reply nowaday.
    She should have been named and jailed.

    If you read the article you'd know that she was named.


  • #9
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,992 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    Defunkd wrote: »
    Article says she has since got married and has a stable home environment. She's not in a psych ward or hadn't been signed in. I'd wager money that it was her defence who emphasised her mental health issues, in a bid for leniancy.
    'See, she wasn't responsible for this...it was her mental health, the poor cratur.'
    You'll win your bet; of course it was the defence who drew attention to her mental health issues. That's their job. Who else is going to do it?

    That doesn't mean that her mental health issues aren't real, though.


  • #10
    lifeandtimes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lifeandtimes


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    You'll win your bet; of course it was the defence who drew attention to her mental health issues. That's their job. Who else is going to do it?

    That doesn't mean that her mental health issues aren't real, though.

    Of course not but to use a mental health defence to get off a jail sentence for a horrible crime and then to go on and have a normal life as if nothing happened and not seemingly be effected by this mental illness, while this man probably went through hell is just ridiculous and does nothing to stop people doing this in the future which is point of custodial sentences.

    A woman was mistakenly taken to prison for non payment of tv license there the other week while a guilty verdict of a false rape claim against someone who wasn't involved at all give a suspended sentence is bizzare


  • #11
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    She is named and is easily found on facebook.

    An innocent chap who just happened to be wearing a green hoodie was arrested and questioned about raping someone.

    He should be entitled to compensation from her imo.

    And she should have to make a contribution to the costs of investigation


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  • #12
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,733 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    Glad the accused are not named in this country when the case is ongoing.


  • #13
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    Atlantic Dawn wrote: »
    Glad the accused are not named in this country when the case is ongoing.

    WHY ??????

    They bloody well should be.

    The Ultster players currently on trial are having their names blackened - if they are acquitted they are still ruined.

    Meanwhile she gets off scot free. Not right.


  • #14
    lifeandtimes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lifeandtimes


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    WHY ??????

    They bloody well should be.

    The Ultster players currently on trial are having their names blackened - if they are acquitted they are still ruined.

    Meanwhile she gets off scot free. Not right.

    You read that wrong, he said the "accused" are not named


  • #15
    lifeandtimes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lifeandtimes


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    She is named and is easily found on facebook.

    An innocent chap who just happened to be wearing a green hoodie was arrested and questioned about raping someone.

    He should be entitled to compensation from her imo.

    And she should have to make a contribution to the costs of investigation

    Quite right incognito but alas the court systems dont view it that way and sadly probably never will


  • #16
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    lifeandtimes wrote: »
    You read that wrong, he said the "accused" are not named

    I did - but my point stands. Both parties should be named.


  • #17
    lifeandtimes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lifeandtimes


    PeterParker957 wrote: »
    I did - but my point stands. Both parties should be named.

    What?

    So you suggest that a potential inncoent victim has his name blackend by being named during a trail?:eek:


  • #18
    Robbo
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,581 Mod ✭✭✭✭Robbo


    Just a casual reminder that this isn't AH and we aim for a more informed level of discussion.


  • #19
    Mr. Incognito
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,798 ✭✭✭Mr. Incognito


    lifeandtimes wrote: »
    Quite right incognito but alas the court systems dont view it that way and sadly probably never will

    I cannot see why the tort of reasonable forseeablility with regard to a duty of care could not be extended so that he has an action - the Old Donoghue v Stevenson chestnut.

    She knowingly made a false statement which had detail such that an innocent person could be wrongly identified and had his civil liberties taken away for the purpose of a bogus investigation

    I would think that would be a novel case and I would believe would have the locus standi to bring it.


  • #20
    lifeandtimes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭lifeandtimes


    Mr. Incognito wrote: »
    She knowingly made a false statement which had detail such that an innocent person could be wrongly identified and had his civil liberties taken away for the purpose of a bogus investigation.

    The knowingly part here would be debated by her defense.

    She had consumped copious amounts of alcohol, had sex with a what would be presumed a stranger(no clarification on this) as seen on CCTV but remembers a person with a green hoodie who could be found and identified on CCTV.

    This distortion of events is what the defense would have used( " it was a mistake on her memorys part"), however she was found guilty and a guilty verdict in this matter should carry a custodial sentance.

    The judge was to light, considering an completly innocent man was thrown into the frey just because he had a hoodie colour she could remember and as such should be compenstated for it


  • #21
    PeterParker957
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,177 ✭✭✭PeterParker957


    lifeandtimes wrote: »
    What?

    So you suggest that a potential inncoent victim has his name blackend by being named during a trail?:eek:

    God No!!!!!! Apologies.

    My point is if the accused is named then so should the accuser.


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  • #22
    idnkph
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭idnkph


    lifeandtimes wrote:
    The judge was to light, considering an completly innocent man was thrown into the frey just because he had a hoodie colour she could remember and as such should be compenstated for it


    Sure don't all judges go too light?? The legal system is a load of sh1te. It needs a complete overhaul from the foundations up. All the dinosaur judges should be retired and newly trained judges that work in a strict code of conduct and work consistently in line with one another should be brought in.


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