Late Late Show repeat..

Sam Quentin

I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church.
I especially don't like when Irish National Television air people who are not respectful to Catholic priests..
I feel Ryan Tubridy was asking tough questions and apologising pre questioning! So he knows and is well aware of his questioning,..
That's at least two times this week 'Celebrity's'(as such)Mary Mc Aleese being the other, have been on our National tv station showing disrespect to the Catholic Church..
We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.
Why is this allowed.

Your Face

It's fashionable and safe.

Sam Quentin

Your Face wrote: »

It's fashionable and safe.

Agree.
They seem to think it's cool!?
Their so wrong, I'm more proud and happier every day, every week, month etc etc to be Catholic..

Donald Trump

I know how you feel.

My family fell out with our Irish Trump second cousins after Paddy Trump was disrespectful to his local Christian Brother maths teacher. Paddy wouldn't even suck Br. Murphys willy for an A+. No manners at all

Your Face

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Agree.
They seem to think it's cool!?
Their so wrong, I'm more proud and happier every day, every week, month etc etc to be Catholic..

The thing for me is, I'm not overly religious nor a believer.
I think the state shouldn't encourage religion but it shouldn't suppress it. Religions, for their part, should be subjected to the full rigours of the law. They shouldn't receive any special treatment.

The RCC have a lot to answer for in particular. Horrible crimes, lives ruined.

What gets me is the attitude that criticizing the church is edgy and cool. It's unhelpful and a waste of time.

The religions in this country need to humbled and subjected to rigorous and constant monitoring and auditing. It's a business like any other franchise.

I dont hate the RCC but am very suspicious of it. Personally, I think Jesus was a righteous man whose message has been perverted and misappropriated. A message of love and compassion that probably frightens tyrants to this day. The irony in this, hopefully, is self-evident.

I dont like the populist attacks on the RCC but they in turn need practice what they say they preach.

Are Am Eye

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Their so wrong, I'm more proud and happier every day, every week, month etc etc to be Catholic..

If you were truly secure in your belief then it you wouldn't be getting eorked up over other peoples opinions.

Yer Da sells Avon

Sam Quentin wrote: »

We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.

Are 'we' now?

kneemos

Turbiddy is such a sap.

seamus

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Why is this allowed.

Why wouldn't it be?

jester77

Church followers are just showing the same respect that the church has bestowed on them over the years.

Sam Quentin

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church.
I especially don't like when Irish National Television air people who are not respectful to Catholic priests..
I feel Ryan Tubridy was asking tough questions and apologising pre questioning! So he knows and is well aware of his questioning,..
That's at least two times this week 'Celebrity's'(as such)Mary Mc Aleese being the other, have been on our National tv station showing disrespect to the Catholic Church..
We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.
Why is this allowed.

A little bit of healthy self-criticism is good. It depends on how it is done there is a vast difference between vulgar offensive stereotypes and healthy debate on the issue.

Fighting Tao

Nothing wrong with constructive criticism and it should be taken on board. However, the RCC are infallible in their own eyes and can’t handle their flaws being questioned.

Raging_Ninja

If a person or organisation wants to be respected then they have to act respectably. It is earned, not demanded.

darkdubh

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church.
I especially don't like when Irish National Television air people who are not respectful to Catholic priests..
I feel Ryan Tubridy was asking tough questions and apologising pre questioning! So he knows and is well aware of his questioning,..
That's at least two times this week 'Celebrity's'(as such)Mary Mc Aleese being the other, have been on our National tv station showing disrespect to the Catholic Church..
We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.
Why is this allowed.[/QUOTE]

Because its not 1932.

Fighting Tao

Sam Quentin wrote: »

We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.

Who is this ‘we’. Almost all ‘members’ had no choice to join. It was forced upon them without consent. I am a member not by choice. The ‘we’ you use does not represent me and the RCC does not have an unsubscribe option so they can over report their membership numbers.

Odhinn

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church.
I especially don't like when Irish National Television air people who are not respectful to Catholic priests..
I feel Ryan Tubridy was asking tough questions and apologising pre questioning! So he knows and is well aware of his questioning,..
That's at least two times this week 'Celebrity's'(as such)Mary Mc Aleese being the other, have been on our National tv station showing disrespect to the Catholic Church..
We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.
Why is this allowed.

"shower of fucking hypocrits" is more accurate.

The church had its era of being "respected", and thats long over.

Sofiztikated

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church.
I especially don't like when Irish National Television air people who are not respectful to Catholic priests..
I feel Ryan Tubridy was asking tough questions and apologising pre questioning! So he knows and is well aware of his questioning,..
That's at least two times this week 'Celebrity's'(as such)Mary Mc Aleese being the other, have been on our National tv station showing disrespect to the Catholic Church..
We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.
Why is this allowed.

You mean Mary McAleese, a died in the wool Catholic, speaking about the ****ty things the RCC STILL do to this day, and is trying to change it, for the betterment of ALL it's members?

The brazen hussy.

"We" are not a thiriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'. We are a thriving, very proud IRISH people, whose religion happens to predominantly, but not exclusively Catholic.

Blind, unquestioning loyalty to a religion, any religion, is just plain daft. By all means, believe in whatever you want. In my family, there's Presbyterian, Church of Ireland, Catholic, lapsed Catholic, born again Christian, and atheists/agnostics. But every single one of them can and will be critical of the ****ty parts of the organised religion they subscribe to.

topper75

For the most part, on the whole, generally speaking 'we' actually are. Otherwise you can take it up with the CSO.

I'm not myself for what its worth.

What I'd like to see is sauce for the goose being sauce for the gander.

If I was on air laying into some of the other faiths, I'd be a pariah, a hate-mongering rabble-rouser. But if you lay into the RCC you are the cool clean progressive hero.

That isn't right. That is something RTE need to think about. Either you give people the air time to rip into any of the religions or none of them.

MilesMorales1

Who's we? You can criticise any religion much as you like, just as you can criticise their criticisms. Why shouldn't we question the church, why on earth wouldn't it be allowed? They ruined thousands of peoples live, abused thousands of people, and are still using whats left of their wrecked reputation to try and dictate to people how they should live. Why don't you go on the late late and defend the church if thats what you want.

TheChizler

topper75 wrote: »

If I was on air laying into some of the other faiths, I'd be a pariah, a hate-mongering rabble-rouser. But if you lay into the RCC you are the cool clean progressive hero.

That isn't right. That is something RTE need to think about. Either you give people the air time to rip into any of the religions or none of them.

Maybe it's the most criticised because it's the religion with most impact on people here?

Grayson

Sam Quentin wrote: »

I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church.
I especially don't like when Irish National Television air people who are not respectful to Catholic priests..
I feel Ryan Tubridy was asking tough questions and apologising pre questioning! So he knows and is well aware of his questioning,..
That's at least two times this week 'Celebrity's'(as such)Mary Mc Aleese being the other, have been on our National tv station showing disrespect to the Catholic Church..
We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.
Why is this allowed.

I see a post like this and think, that has to be trolling. That has to be someone just trying to get a rise out of people. They can't be serious and I shouldn't be taking them seriously.

Irish Guitarist

It's in the Bible that Jesus had a massive problem with how the churches of the time treated its members. If there was a second coming he'd have even more to be unhappy about now. He'd probably be on the Late Late Show himself.

Arghus

topper75 wrote: »

For the most part, on the whole, generally speaking 'we' actually are. Otherwise you can take it up with the CSO.

I'm not myself for what its worth.

What I'd like to see is sauce for the goose being sauce for the gander.

If I was on air laying into some of the other faiths, I'd be a pariah, a hate-mongering rabble-rouser. But if you lay into the RCC you are the cool clean progressive hero.

That isn't right. That is something RTE need to think about. Either you give people the air time to rip into any of the religions or none of them.

I guess it comes down to the fact that for a long time the RCC, or at least it's teachings, called the shots in determining the ethos of the state and by extension it had extreme influence on the lives led by the people. Like it or not, it's not going to be treated the same way as other religions.

One of the defining features of Irish life in recent times in a change in the relationship between the state and the church and the people of the church - and that's manifested in a more open and skeptical questioning of the RCC that's rooted in Ireland's somewhat unique historical relationship with the religion and all it entails.

Sometimes - maybe even oftentimes - that means the RCC gets a rougher ride than other religious groups in some ways in terms of questions it has to answer to and explainations it has to give, but, looking at our history, that seems only natural.

Sam Quentin

The amount of work priests do nowadays in their communities is UNNATURAL, I don't know were they find the energy, I don't know how they have a minute to themselves!?
I can only imagine that it comes from deep down inside, from within the goodness of their hearts... And a total devotion to God and fellow humans.
And I can see myself there is a shortage of members, the workload must be overwhelming by times, but they keep GOING GOING GOING at all times of day and night.
God bless them all.

Fighting Tao

Sam Quentin wrote: »

The amount of work priests do nowadays in their communities is UNNATURAL, I don't know were they find the energy, I don't know how they have a minute to themselves!?
I can only imagine that it comes from deep down inside, from within the goodness of their hearts... And a total devotion to God and fellow humans.
And I can see myself there is a shortage of members, the workload must be overwhelming by times, but they keep GOING GOING GOING at all times of day and night.
God bless them all.

There are millions of people doing huge work in their communities and don’t believe in any gods. A belief in a god is not necessary to be a decent person.

I also note that you appear to be here just to preach and not address responses to your posts. Very RCC of you.

MilesMorales1

Sam Quentin wrote: »

The amount of work priests do nowadays in their communities is UNNATURAL, I don't know were they find the energy, I don't know how they have a minute to themselves!?
I can only imagine that it comes from deep down inside, from within the goodness of their hearts... And a total devotion to God and fellow humans.
And I can see myself there is a shortage of members, the workload must be overwhelming by times, but they keep GOING GOING GOING at all times of day and night.
God bless them all.

Any evidence for that? Any evidence that isn't anecdotal? I've lived here for going on 9 years, never even met my local priest, most of the good work is done by the council and council volunteers, nothing to do with the church.

Sam Quentin

Fighting Tao wrote: »

There are millions of people doing huge work in their communities and don’t believe in any gods. A belief in a god is not necessary to be a decent person.

I also note that you appear to be here just to preach and not address responses to your posts. Very RCC of you.

Ok I'll reply to your post.
Yes I'm well aware that lots of people do good work in their communities and it should be recognised and usually is..
So I'll ask you.
Do you think it's fair that these guys get lauded and applauded on radio/tv whatever, but yet when a priest is being interviewed not a mention of his great doings!?
It's ridiculous now at this stage and it's been going on for at least 10 yrs now..

Foxhound38

Sam Quentin wrote: »

We are a thriving very proud Catholic 'peoples'.

You might be a catholic person. I'm not. Plenty like me aren't.

Why do we need to be a "catholic people" - why can't we all be just people and leave religious arrangements up to the individual?

seamus

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Do you think it's fair that these guys get lauded and applauded on radio/tv whatever, but yet when a priest is being interviewed not a mention of his great doings!?

What are you talking about?

Peter McVerry is never off the news.

If someone is going to appear as a representative of the church, then they're going to face questions about the church. What they personally do with the rest of their time is irrelevant.

If I went on TV to talk about my employer, they're not going to ask me about my home life and what I do outside of work.

What's so special about priests?

Fighting Tao

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Ok I'll reply to your post.
Yes I'm well aware that lots of people do good work in their communities and it should be recognised and usually is..
So I'll ask you.
Do you think it's fair that these guys get lauded and applauded on radio/tv whatever, but yet when a priest is being interviewed not a mention of his great doings!?
It's ridiculous now at this stage and it's been going on for at least 10 yrs now..

Seamus answered you better than I ever could.

Sam Quentin

seamus wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Peter McVerry is never off the news.

If someone is going to appear as a representative of the church, then they're going to face questions about the church. What they personally do with the rest of their time is irrelevant.

If I went on TV to talk about my employer, they're not going to ask me about my home life and what I do outside of work.

What's so special about priests?

Every passing minute in a priests life is devoted to the Church and it's people(also to non religious people)
What do you mean 'the rest of their time'??

MilesMorales1

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Every passing minute in a priests life is devoted to the Church and it's people(also to non religious people)
What do you mean 'the rest of their time'??

Is this a real post? Are you suggesting priests aren’t entirely fallible human beings? What about the priests who abused kids, are they devoted to the church?

Sam Quentin

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

Is this a real post? Are you suggesting priests aren’t entirely fallible human beings? What about the priests who abused kids, are they devoted to the church?

And what has todays priest got to do with any of that filth you talk about?

Fighting Tao

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Every passing minute in a priests life is devoted to the Church and it's people(also to non religious people)
What do you mean 'the rest of their time'??

I have an aunt that is a nun. She has her own life outside of the church. Not everything she does is for the benefit of the RCC. People who dedicate their lives to religion are just like the rest of us and want to have a bit of craic and enjoy some down time.

seamus

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Every passing minute in a priests life is devoted to the Church and it's people(also to non religious people)
What do you mean 'the rest of their time'??

I mean the rest of the time. "Every minute of their day is devoted to the church" is a nonsense cop-out. Are they devoted to the church when they're down the pub skulling pints? Or watching Game of Thrones?

You can't insist on separating priests from the church when it comes to things like child abuse and religious intolerance and then cry foul when people separate the priest from the church when it comes to their good works. That's hypocrisy.

If you want priests' collective good deeds to be recorded as "works of the church", then their collective evils must also be "works of the church".

Or, if you want individual priests to be celebrated for their individual works, then ask them about it when they're not representing the church.

And before you claim, "The evil priests weren't being real Catholics", look up the "No true Scotsman" fallacy.

Fighting Tao

Sam Quentin wrote: »

And what has todays priest got to do with any of that filth you talk about?

So there are no priests doing anything wrong today? How do you know what every priest is at?

MilesMorales1

Sam Quentin wrote: »

And what has todays priest got to do with any of that filth you talk about?

Are you seriously suggesting there’s no priests abusing kids or indeed anyone in Ireland right now? Or in the world? I was abused by a catholic priest as late as 2003/04, that’s not ancient history.

topper75

Arghus wrote: »

Sometimes - maybe even oftentimes - that means the RCC gets a rougher ride than other religious groups in some ways in terms of questions it has to answer to and explainations it has to give, but, looking at our history, that seems only natural.

The very opposite of natural though - unnatural - that you would allow open season on one outfit, but be shut down if you go at others who perhaps take McAleese's much-maligned misogyny onto a whole new level.

As I said - sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

We just need to decide which way to be consistent:

• No slagging of religions.
• All religions are fair game.

Not being a religious guy myself, I don't care what call you go with there.

Sam Quentin

So todays teachers should be seen as physical and mental abusers,. And all the good work they do for our children should be totally ignored..
Because when my parents went to school and most of my primary schooling, I,,, day in day out was and watched children being slapped and beaten and mentally abused by lay teachers!?
Because that's the only argument I'm seeing here by most posters....

Look I know a lot of 'priests' did terrible things(I personally never witnessed such things but I know it happened)I just don't see the point in this relentless disrespect towards todays priests. THAT'S ALL.

MilesMorales1

Sam Quentin wrote: »

So todays teachers should be seen as physical and mental abusers,. And all the good work they do for our children should be totally ignored..
Because when my parents went to school and most of my primary schooling, I,,, day in day out was and watched children being slapped and beaten and mentally abused by lay teachers!?
Because that's the only argument I'm seeing here by most posters....

Look I know a lot of 'priests' did terrible things(I personally never witnessed such things but I know it happened)I just don't see the point in this relentless disrespect towards todays priests. THAT'S ALL.

You are in fact a troll then. Good to know.

Sam Quentin

MilesMorales1 wrote: »

You are in fact a troll then. Good to know.

I'm not a troll

seamus

Sam Quentin wrote: »

So todays teachers should be seen as physical and mental abusers,. And all the good work they do for our children should be totally ignored..
Because when my parents went to school and most of my primary schooling, I,,, day in day out was and watched children being slapped and beaten and mentally abused by lay teachers!?
Because that's the only argument I'm seeing here by most posters....

Look I know a lot of 'priests' did terrible things(I personally never witnessed such things but I know it happened)I just don't see the point in this relentless disrespect towards todays priests. THAT'S ALL.

Your opening post talks about disparaging the church though. Not priests.

"I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church."

If you or someone else is unable to draw a distinction between criticising the church and criticising priests, then that's your problem.

To continue with your analogy, if two people from the dept. of education were on the Late Late fielding questions about schools and past incidents which occurred in state schools, would you consider that an attack on all teachers?

I wouldn't. And I bet you wouldn't either. Yet when it's the church, suddenly all priests are under attack.

Funny that.

Arghus

topper75 wrote: »

The very opposite of natural though - unnatural - that you would allow open season on one outfit, but be shut down if you go at others who perhaps take McAleese's much-maligned misogyny onto a whole new level.

As I said - sauce for the goose, sauce for the gander.

We just need to decide which way to be consistent:

• No slagging of religions.
• All religions are fair game.

Not being a religious guy myself, I don't care what call you go with there.

Perhaps, in an ideal world where everything is equal and all religions are equal then it would be possible that all religions could be treated equally well or equally poorly in this regard, but the RCC does occupy a unique position in Irish society in relation to other faiths and has for a long time - I'm not making the argument about whether that is good or bad - so I think it's understandable that the coverage it receives is unique.

Sam Quentin

seamus wrote: »

Your opening post talks about disparaging the church though. Not priests.

"I don't like anyone undermining or demeaning the Catholic Church."

If you or someone else is unable to draw a distinction between criticising the church and criticising priests, then that's your problem.

To continue with your analogy, if two people from the dept. of education were on the Late Late fielding questions about schools and past incidents which occurred in state schools, would you consider that an attack on all teachers?

I wouldn't. And I bet you wouldn't either. Yet when it's the church, suddenly all priests are under attack.

Funny that.

I'm not separating or distinguishing anyone from anything. I'm answering questions from people who decide when it suits them that all priests should answer for the past Church/Priests
Your not getting my point at all.
When will they be outed for the unrelenting endless stellar work that they do in their respective communities???

Esel

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Look I know a lot of 'priests' did terrible things(I personally never witnessed such things but I know it happened)I just don't see the point in this relentless disrespect towards todays priests. THAT'S ALL.

So the perverted 'priests' were not actual, real priests. Is that your point?