'Hope he died roaring'

markodaly

'Hope he died roaring' is oft used when we hear someone we don't like after passing. It could be attributed to criminals or people who held positions of power in the past. Politicians are often targeted, religious clergy as well.

The thing that gets me though is why people use such a term in the first place?

If you are religious in anyway especially a Christian of any denomination, a central tenant of that is forgiveness. Why would you want someone to be in excruciating pain while on their deathbed.

Even more bizarrely are those who are not religious in anyway. Normally these would be irreligious, probably progressive in their views, yet they hope someone who passed away is in agony when they die. Explain that one to me?

Maybe these people or people in general are just pricks and disturbed deep down, and just label to justify their inner contradictions so they can rest easy.

You can call yourself a Christian but do you have the capacity for forgiveness?
You call yourself a non-religious progressive/liberal yet want someone to be in pain in their last moments?

Anyone explain this to me?

DoozerT6

Because some people are beyond forgiveness, sympathy or redemption and SHOULD die roaring.

People who intentionally torture others for their own pleasure, for example.

Chancer3001

Because you dislike the person and want them to suffer.

It's very very very straightforward

Yer Da sells Avon

I remember seeing an old woman having an argument with a bus driver once (because he asked to see her free travel pass), and as she was getting off the bus, she said to him: "that you may die without a priest!"

Jack Kanoff

Or people who use Lyons tea instead Barry's...the bastards!

Fighting Tao

markodaly wrote: »

'Hope he died roaring' is oft used when we hear someone we don't like after passing.

Never heard the phrase before. It must be a colloquial thing. Have you tried asking your questions in the fora for the area you are from? :pac:

Miaow_grl

Hapax Legomenon wrote: »

I remember seeing an old woman having an argument with a bus driver once (because he asked to see her free travel pass), and as she was getting off the bus, she said to him: "that you may die without a priest!"

What an awfully threatening comeback!:D

kittensmittens

markodaly wrote: »

'Hope he died roaring' is oft used when we hear someone we don't like after passing. It could be attributed to criminals or people who held positions of power in the past. Politicians are often targeted, religious clergy as well.

The thing that gets me though is why people use such a term in the first place?

If you are religious in anyway especially a Christian of any denomination, a central tenant of that is forgiveness. Why would you want someone to be in excruciating pain while on their deathbed.

Even more bizarrely are those who are not religious in anyway. Normally these would be irreligious, probably progressive in their views, yet they hope someone who passed away is in agony when they die. Explain that one to me?

Maybe these people or people in general are just pricks and disturbed deep down, and just label to justify their inner contradictions so they can rest easy.

You can call yourself a Christian but do you have the capacity for forgiveness?
You call yourself a non-religious progressive/liberal yet want someone to be in pain in their last moments?

Anyone explain this to me?

Those pesky Christians with their ways of making you talk....:pac:
I reckon OP, you may find the answer to your question here

Stonedpilot

DoozerT6 wrote: »

Because some people are beyond forgiveness, sympathy or redemption and SHOULD die roaring.

People who intentionally torture others for their own pleasure, for example.

Nobody is beyond Christ's forgiveness the ONLY forgiveness that matters. Peoples doesnt mean anything not one jot in the long run. People dont like to hear this as well deep down they know their anger/grudges/righteousness doesnt mean jack shyt so why hang onto it?.

Many murderers and such seek Christs sanctification in prison etc and the peace they feel is astonishing.
Look at serial killer David Berkowitz. Hes a Born again Christian now.
People might never forgive him.
Christ has and thats what matters.

markodaly

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Because you dislike the person and want them to suffer.

It's very very very straightforward

Yes, it actually is. Humans are queer bunch. However I wanted to highlight the fact that individuals on one hand would be against things like torture, corporal punishment, capital punishment and so on. Yet on the other hand, they get self gratification at the thought of someone they dislike being in pain.

I suppose we are very much Old Testament in our core. The New Testament was supposed to be about turning the other cheek, there is an attempt of progression there.
Yet our modern world is secular and progressive, but we kid ourselves that we are actually that much more advanced than the people who were around in the Old Testament era.

ToddyDoody

Speaking of roaring...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidney_stone_disease

Chancer3001

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, it actually is. Humans are queer bunch. However I wanted to highlight the fact that individuals on one hand would be against things like torture, corporal punishment, capital punishment .

Nah. It's torture of NICE OR INNOCENT people that were all against.

Torture of somebody who truly deserves it...then meh

If someone raped and killed ones parents one would be happy enough to have them tortured

Ray Palmer

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Nobody is beyond Christ's forgiveness the ONLY forgiveness that matters. Peoples doesnt mean anything not one jot in the long run. People dont like to hear this as well deep down they know their anger/grudges/righteousness doesnt mean jack shyt so why hang onto it?.

Many murderers and such seek Christs sanctification in prison etc and the peace they feel is astonishing.
Look at serial killer David Berkowitz. Hes a Born again Christian now.
People might never forgive him.
Christ has and thats what matters.

How do you know anything about what Jesus has done? An heavily edited book and being told what it means is all you have. The arrogance of the religious is pretty insulting. All we really know is this reality.

The fact so many people call themselves christians and also want people to die in pain as punishment just shows their hypocritical nature. Not in favour of capital punishment or torture as somebody has to do it. People worry about people who torture people for pleasure but torturing somebody because you think you are morally right is equal in my eyes.

dxhound2005

I have an original copy of the Bible, signed by Jesus. Would that be worth anything?

darkdubh

I think it's a funny term, gives me a giggle every time.

professore

Can people please stop using tenant when they actually mean tenet.

dxhound2005

professore wrote: »

Can people please stop using tenant when they actually mean tenet.

Probably not.

markodaly

professore wrote: »

Can people please stop using tenant when they actually mean tenet.

koumi

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUaxVQPohlU

I think the expression is one people use but few mean literally. It would be a rare person who truly hopes someone dies roaring in agony, no matter how bad they are.

Arrival

Are you telling me that you wouldn't feel hatred towards a child molester that raped multiple kids during his life, for example? Would you forgive that simply because he has died or would you think "good riddance"? Or how about a serial killer? What about someone like Hitler?

Quite honestly I think you would be the strange one to not feel hatred towards people like these and be glad about their death. But my point is, we all have different breaking points for forgiveness where once they're crossed we no longer feel sympathy towards the person and feel okay with expressing that through sayings such as that. Certain people's actions are just so deeply abhorrent that we can feel negative emotions towards them so strongly that we wish them pain and suffering. It's honestly very simple, to the point that I think you're just virtue signalling.

Stonedpilot

Ray Palmer wrote: »

How do you know anything about what Jesus has done? An heavily edited book and being told what it means is all you have. The arrogance of the religious is pretty insulting. All we really know is this reality.

The fact so many people call themselves christians and also want people to die in pain as punishment just shows their hypocritical nature. Not in favour of capital punishment or torture as somebody has to do it. People worry about people who torture people for pleasure but torturing somebody because you think you are morally right is equal in my eyes.

Want people to. Die?.

What are ya on about?.

Sundays days off for the ould pills is it?.

anewme

darkdubh wrote: »

I think it's a funny term, gives me a giggle every time.

My Granny used to say....may he die roaring ...like Doran's ass.

Paddy Doran had a donkey that was always braying Apparently.

Now if someone starts the phrase...i always automatically finish it for them.😂

Franz Von Peppercorn

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Nobody is beyond Christ's forgiveness the ONLY forgiveness that matters. Peoples doesnt mean anything not one jot in the long run. People dont like to hear this as well deep down they know their anger/grudges/righteousness doesnt mean jack shyt so why hang onto it?.

Many murderers and such seek Christs sanctification in prison etc and the peace they feel is astonishing.
Look at serial killer David Berkowitz. Hes a Born again Christian now.
People might never forgive him.
Christ has and thats what matters.

And yet as a Catholic you believe that Christ may not have forgiven his victim if he died unconfessed (through no fault of his own since he was murdered).

An eternity of torture now for that time he stole the biscuit and lied about it in confession.

wakka12

I dont understand why you'd want a person who caused great pain to other people during their life to die peacefully..?
Personally Im fairly indifferent, I don't 'wish' for anybody to die in agony


Also Im pretty sure christians only practice the concept of forgiveness on those who wish for it and are remorseful. Maybe the person in question is even proud of their crimes, a christian will not forgive them for what they did then

Ray Palmer

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Want people to. Die?.

What are ya on about?.

Sundays days off for the ould pills is it?.

Makes more sense than a magic man in the sky with a zombie son

Arrival

Arrival wrote: »

Are you telling me that you wouldn't feel hatred towards a child molester that raped multiple kids during his life, for example? Would you forgive that simply because he has died or would you think "good riddance"? Or how about a serial killer? What about someone like Hitler?

Quite honestly I think you would be the strange one to not feel hatred towards people like these and be glad about their death. But my point is, we all have different breaking points for forgiveness where once they're crossed we no longer feel sympathy towards the person and feel okay with expressing that through sayings such as that. Certain people's actions are just so deeply abhorrent that we can feel negative emotions towards them so strongly that we wish them pain and suffering. It's honestly very simple, to the point that I think you're just virtue signalling.

Think what you like, and I'll think what I like about the use of the term virtue signalling to negate the opinion of someone who doesn't share someone elses views.

You can hate a person for what they've done without glorying in their suffering. I don't think I'd get much satisfaction from someone elses pain, but if they hurt me or my loved ones personally I might. I don't know.

I don't think many people mean it literally when they say they hope someone dies roaring, because few people have that level of justification for such a dark desire. It would take a lot to justify.

aaronjumper

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I have an original copy of the Bible, signed by Jesus. Would that be worth anything?

Not if a sequel gets released, sell it quick!

Stonedpilot

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

And yet as a Catholic you believe that Christ may not have forgiven his victim if he died unconfessed (through no fault of his own since he was murdered).

An eternity of torture now for that time he stole the biscuit and lied about it in confession.

Im not Catholic. What makes you think that?. Assumptions

Assume= ass out of u and me

Stonedpilot

Ray Palmer wrote: »

Makes more sense than a magic man in the sky with a zombie son

As opposed to everything coming from nothing and from the nothingness all species were created, and man is a glorified monkey and the monkey started off as pond scum ad finitum.

Ah Id rather know I was made in the image of God almighty rather than being some offspring of some pond gloop!.

Also Christians DONT believe God is "in the sky". Bible is clear on this.

If your gonna insult Christianity at least try and learn something on it.

Otherwise your ignorance makes you look foolish.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Im not Catholic. What makes you think that?. Assumptions

Assume= ass out of u and me

Generally Christians in this country are. Either way the point stands. The murdered guy might be going to hell because he didn’t live long enough to find Jesus or be born again while the murder did find Jesus and is therefore saved.

Stonedpilot

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Generally Christians in this country are. Either way the point stands. The murdered guy might be going to hell because he didn’t live long enough to find Jesus or be born again while the murder did find Jesus and is therefore saved.

Im not. Most Christians would be VERY critical of the Catholic Church and the Pope.

Its a Moot point. Live long enough you serious?. Whats to stop a murdered guy in his 30/40/50 whatever years of life repenting and accepting Christ as saviour?. How many thousands of hours he spent wasting time on this or TV?. Takes five minutes really to be honest. Not an arduous process at all.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Im not. Most Christians would be VERY critical of the Catholic Church and the Pope.

Its a Moot point. Live long enough you serious?. Whats to stop a murdered guy in his 30/40/50 whatever years of life repenting and accepting Christ as saviour?. How many thousands of hours he spent wasting time on this or TV?. Takes five minutes really to be honest. Not an arduous process at all.

I think your definition of Christian probably even excludes Catholicism.

Ok. So we are clear on the point that the murdered guy is going to hell, even though he lived what normal humans would consider a largely blameless life, and the murderer gets to go to heaven.

That’s a pretty sick philosophy.

Ray Palmer

Stonedpilot wrote: »

As opposed to everything coming from nothing and from the nothingness all species were created, and man is a glorified monkey and the monkey started off as pond scum ad finitum.

Ah Id rather know I was made in the image of God almighty rather than being some offspring of some pond gloop!.

Also Christians DONT believe God is "in the sky". Bible is clear on this.

If your gonna insult Christianity at least try and learn something on it.

Otherwise your ignorance makes you look foolish.

You believe in Adam and Eve? You know we know more about the evolution of the story than the story states about the creation of the world. We are no more a glorified monkey than a monkey is a downgraded human. We simply are what we are.

You don't know anything about God you are just choosing to lie. Your talk of ignorance is ridiculous when certain Christians do believe in he sky and the term of heaven is interchangeable with sky

Debtocracy

This sentiment of wanting to torture a criminal indicates the sadistic desires and fantasies within the average person. I believe that people have these fantasies about many other people in their lives but never communicate them – it could be a controlling boss, a cheating partner etc. Murderers and paedophiles on the other hand are safe targets to communicate these usually taboo fantasies.

I often think a good way to judge a person is to see how they talk about criminals and social welfare lifers. These are two groups that people freely express their violent anger towards in a morally righteous way. If they start getting into eugenics, torture, hell, prison rape, 1,000 year sentences etc., you get a glimpse into the violent fantasies that they keep hidden in other contexts.

dresden8

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I have an original copy of the Bible, signed by Jesus. Would that be worth anything?

Do you mind if I get a buddy of mine down to look at it?

kylith

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Its a Moot point. Live long enough you serious?. Whats to stop a murdered guy in his 30/40/50 whatever years of life repenting and accepting Christ as saviour?. How many thousands of hours he spent wasting time on this or TV?. Takes five minutes really to be honest. Not an arduous process at all.

Bit fckin' difficult when he's dead, innit?

But yeah, by Christian teaching a person who loses faith in the Christian god because they prayed and prayed for their abuser to stop, to no avail, will go to hell when they die, while that very same rapist just has to repent on their death bed to get into the kingdom of heaven. God is good and merciful and just, y'all.

dxhound2005

dresden8 wrote: »

Do you mind if I get a buddy of mine down to look at it?

I'm not handing it over to any pawnshop.

Schwanz

Stonedpilot wrote: »

Nobody is beyond Christ's forgiveness the ONLY forgiveness that matters. Peoples doesnt mean anything not one jot in the long run. People dont like to hear this as well deep down they know their anger/grudges/righteousness doesnt mean jack shyt so why hang onto it?.

Many murderers and such seek Christs sanctification in prison etc and the peace they feel is astonishing.
Look at serial killer David Berkowitz. Hes a Born again Christian now.
People might never forgive him.
Christ has and thats what matters.

Christ has forgave eh? You know this do ya?? Please share how you do.

A pedophile, can they be forgiven with your beliefs for instance?

koumi

Schwanz wrote: »

Christ has forgave eh? You know this do ya?? Please share how you do.

A pedophile, can they be forgiven with your beliefs for instance?

I think the idea is that if they repent they can be forgiven, although that's a moral issue not a legislative one. To forgive is divine so they say and I suspect the victims of those crimes are really the only ones who can answer that question.

Pac1Man

Christ didn't die at all actually, at least not by crucifixion. Here's what really happened:

Day Two of Christ's Crucifixion

If you look back at the photo during the execution you will see a hooded figure at the front of the crowd. That figure shouted at a nearby Roman soldier.

"Stab him with a spear. Show em who's boss wha?"

"I don't have one."

"I brought one with me, just in case like. Don't kill him with it though."

The soldier then pierced the side of Jesus. Suddenly Jesus' head bowed. The soldier was convinced he killed Jesus but the hooded figure knew better. The spear was tipped with a strong opiate mix which simply have Jesus a tremendous high and left him unconscious.

"I told ye not to kill em ye bleedin dope ye" shouted the hooded figure while trying to hold back a smile. Himself and the apostle John brought the limp but high as fuk Jesus towards the tomb as was agreed. However they never made it to the tomb. They detoured to the coast where the hooded man had a waiting boat, coincidentally just big enough for three medium sized bearded men with exceptional teeth.

"Who are you really?" asked John. "It is I" said the man removing the hood "Judas Iscariot!". Redeeming himself at the eleventh hour, Judas, Jesus and John set sail for Cribb Island Australia. Jesus woke along the way with a vision that he must start a band. With John's writing skills and Judas' ingenuity, Jesus knew they could be a success.

"We need a name" said Jesus. "What about The Three Js" suggested John. "Too obvious. We'll be found out." said Jesus.

"I have it" quipped the ever popular Judas...

padd b1975

There's enough lies on the headstones of Ireland without me adding to them.

Big Maggie. John B. Keane.

_Brian

markodaly wrote: »

'Hope he died roaring' is oft used when we hear someone we don't like after passing. It could be attributed to criminals or people who held positions of power in the past. Politicians are often targeted, religious clergy as well.

The thing that gets me though is why people use such a term in the first place?

If you are religious in anyway especially a Christian of any denomination, a central tenant of that is forgiveness. Why would you want someone to be in excruciating pain while on their deathbed.

Even more bizarrely are those who are not religious in anyway. Normally these would be irreligious, probably progressive in their views, yet they hope someone who passed away is in agony when they die. Explain that one to me?

Maybe these people or people in general are just pricks and disturbed deep down, and just label to justify their inner contradictions so they can rest easy.

You can call yourself a Christian but do you have the capacity for forgiveness?
You call yourself a non-religious progressive/liberal yet want someone to be in pain in their last moments?

Anyone explain this to me?

You seem to have lived a sheltered life if you haven’t been crossed by people who you just can never forgive.

I’ve a few people on the “hope he dies roaring” list and I’m still keeping my fingers crossed tight.

And I’ll admit I was in the company of someone as they passed away struggling. They fought for every breath and fought and fought right to the very end. It was quite a sobering experience, I’d been with two relatives as they died before and both were extremely peaceful.

markodaly

kylith wrote: »

Bit fckin' difficult when he's dead, innit?

But yeah, by Christian teaching a person who loses faith in the Christian god because they prayed and prayed for their abuser to stop, to no avail, will go to hell when they die, while that very same rapist just has to repent on their death bed to get into the kingdom of heaven. God is good and merciful and just, y'all.

No, that is an ignorant philistine view on it but I think the message would be lost on you anyway.

markodaly

_Brian wrote: »

You seem to have lived a sheltered life if you haven’t been crossed by people who you just can never forgive.

I’ve a few people on the “hope he dies roaring” list and I’m still keeping my fingers crossed tight.

And I’ll admit I was in the company of someone as they passed away struggling. They fought for every breath and fought and fought right to the very end. It was quite a sobering experience, I’d been with two relatives as they died before and both were extremely peaceful.

It is fine if you have people on a list but then how do you reconcile that with your own personal philosophy?

Are you religious?
Are you an Athiest?

Surreptitious

Depressing fkcing thread.

PTH2009

https://youtu.be/11hJal7qAtU

dasdenny

markodaly wrote: »

Yes, it actually is. Humans are queer bunch. However I wanted to highlight the fact that individuals on one hand would be against things like torture, corporal punishment, capital punishment and so on. Yet on the other hand, they get self gratification at the thought of someone they dislike being in pain.

I suppose we are very much Old Testament in our core. The New Testament was supposed to be about turning the other cheek, there is an attempt of progression there.
Yet our modern world is secular and progressive, but we kid ourselves that we are actually that much more advanced than the people who were around in the Old Testament era.

Perhaps part of the confusion is that we use the Old and New Testaments as some kind of legitimate benchmark

kylith

markodaly wrote: »

No, that is an ignorant philistine view on it but I think the message would be lost on you anyway.

Enlighten me then.