Live event: Jaguar I-Pace launch

cros13

Should be live at ~18:00:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpyh-4q661g

Guess the price ?

60K Euro's base ?

Soarer

Deleted User wrote: »

Guess the price ?

60K Euro's base ?

If that's their base, they'd better be offering more than Tesla!

cros13

In invoice price terms they initially stated the target was 10-15% more than the E-Pace.... which would make the base price ~€40k here after the effects of the grants.

But they've had issues sourcing lithium cells for the price they wanted and have upgraded the interior materials so maybe €55-65k?

100 Kw charging ? you'd think a bit more than that unless auto car UK is wrong ?

Anyone know the battery size ?

thierry14

I would say base

300bhp/75kWh/55k euro/100kWh charging

0-60 sub 5 secs

Low availability, less than 25k per year worldwide

Needs to be those specs min for the price

KCross

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105622237&postcount=14

€80k+

400 hp, 700 Nm of torque. 543 kilometers range (NEDC), standard four-wheel drive, a 90 kWh battery and a sprint to one hundred in four seconds. The first customers drive in their I-PACE in the summer of 2018.

jarrieta

KCross wrote: »

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=105622237&postcount=14

€80k+

400 hp, 700 Nm of torque. 543 kilometers range (NEDC), standard four-wheel drive, a 90 kWh battery and a sprint to one hundred in four seconds. The first customers drive in their I-PACE in the summer of 2018.

Yeah, that looks way more plausible, M3 loaded is going to be around the 55k-60k

80K that , I bet that's so it sells in low volumes compared to mass producing a more affordable EV , could I be wrong ?

cros13

UK Base Price £58,995 after grant.

So after grant probably ~€65k here due to the VRT payable

KCross

"Build your jaguar" on their website has the entry level at £63k (SE) up to £74k (HSE)
That will put it at the €80k mark here I bet?!

480km WLTP. Decent but it would bloody well want it for €80k!!!


Doesn't seem to have much more DC capability than current low cost EV's which is disappointing considering its a 90kWh battery pack. Their marketing says this:

"As the public charging infrastructure improves, I PACE will be equipped to accept up to a 100kW DC charge rate."

They then say:

"... a typical 50kW charger can deliver up to 270 km of range per hour"

That suggests it doesn't have 100kW at launch, just 50kW.



If I had the money to spend I'd buy it over a Tesla.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

UK Base Price £58,995 after grant.

So after grant probably ~€65k here due to the VRT payable

I presume you don't mean it will be an OTR price of €65k here?

Even converting the UK price straight to euro is €67k.... add on VRT, higher VAT, paddy pricing, dealer related charges, it will have to be over €70k anyway?

ted1

KCross wrote: »

"Build your jaguar" on their website has the entry level at £63k (SE) up to £74k (HSE)
That will put it at the €80k mark here I bet?!

480km WLTP. Decent but it would bloody well want it for €80k!!!


Doesn't seem to have much more DC capability than current low cost EV's which is disappointing considering its a 90kWh battery pack. Their marketing says this:

"As the public charging infrastructure improves, I PACE will be equipped to accept up to a 100kW DC charge rate."

They then say:

"... a typical 50kW charger can deliver up to 270 km of range per hour"

That suggests it doesn't have 100kW at launch, just 50kW.



If I had the money to spend I'd buy it over a Tesla.

Typical chargers around London are 50KWh

thierry14

Don't think Tesla have too much to worry about

Very meh

cros13

Irish and UK sites are up.

UK car builder is up too: https://buildyour.jaguar.com/jag2/r/model/_/en_gb/i-pace/3fp38

Prices are before applicable grants.

Ah I think we're just looking at the specs too much but I think the majority of Jag buyers will just see range and recharge times and not care about much else.

I think they priced it right, means they can continue to sell more petrols and diesels and not worry about battery demand. They probably already assume it will be a pretty low volume seller.

100 Kw DC is a bit sh1t in all fairness for such a expensive car today.

cros13

Roof rails but lacks towing.... which is what I was expecting but is still disappointing for the price & pack capacity.

WLTP range is similar to the Kona despite nearly 50% higher capacity pack (64kWh vs 92kWh) and more opportunity for improving the efficiency of regen and high speed driving due to the dual motors and different gear ratio for each.

Given the size and weight ~30-35% increase in consumption would be justified but it's more than that.

KCross

cros13 wrote: »

WLTP range is similar to the Kona despite nearly 50% higher capacity pack (64kWh vs 92kWh) and more opportunity for improving the efficiency of regen and high speed driving due to the dual motors and different gear ratio for each.

Given the size and weight ~30-35% increase in consumption would be justified but it's more than that.

Who is supplying the batteries?

Is the drivetrain developed in-house?

I guess this car sacrifices range for performance and it is over 2 ton unladen!!

cros13

KCross wrote: »

Who is supplying the batteries?

LG Chem - NMC cells from the new plant in poland.

KCross wrote: »

Is the drivetrain developed in-house?

Yes, with a litte design help from suppliers

KCross

Sabre Man wrote: »

Why does it have a slit in the bonnet? To cool the battery?

According to the video they showed, its for aerodynamics. The air goes in a slot in the front grill and diverted up and out over the windscreen at a more appropriate angle. Not sure if that's marketing BS or not but it looked cool!

Sabre Man

KCross wrote: »

According to the video they showed, its for aerodynamics. The air goes in a slot in the front grill and diverted up and out over the windscreen at a more appropriate angle. Not sure if that's marketing BS or not but it looked cool!

Thanks, I figured it out soon after posting. Not very practical when it snows I would think.

I also think it detracts from the look of the car. I wonder how much difference it really makes.

thierry14

cros13 wrote: »

Roof rails but lacks towing.... which is what I was expecting but is still disappointing for the price & pack capacity.

WLTP range is similar to the Kona despite nearly 50% higher capacity pack (64kWh vs 92kWh) and more opportunity for improving the efficiency of regen and high speed driving due to the dual motors and different gear ratio for each.

Given the size and weight ~30-35% increase in consumption would be justified but it's more than that.

Found that weird too

Bigging up the 200 mile journey from one state to another like an achievement, but with 90kWh I would expect a 300 mile target.

Model 3 LR with smaller pack can achieve that 300 mile

CD is very poor @ 0.29

Fine for an entry level Leaf or Niro but a 80k exclusive brand should be better

Doesnt look like an 80k car either, looks like a Mazda

BMW will be an annoucing an X3 EV soon, I think it will be better for the money

80sDiesel

Its not exactly pretty !

bertie4evr

80sDiesel wrote: »

Its not exactly pretty !

I wouldn't say a Model X is either!

goz83

bertie4evr wrote: »

I wouldn't say a Model X is either!

But the rear doors are way cooler :cool:

80sDiesel

bertie4evr wrote: »

I wouldn't say a Model X is either!

I agree. I would even say the Model X looks worse.

Mc-BigE

Very informative youtube video on fully charged by Johnny Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MocHcoBm4bU

how much will this cost in ireland? i only see UK prices on the link above


edited: silly me: https://jaguar.ie/build-yours but no price that i can see)

bertie4evr

Mc-BigE wrote: »

Very informative youtube video on fully charged by Johnny Smith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MocHcoBm4bU

how much will this cost in ireland? i only see UK prices on the link above


edited: silly me: https://jaguar.ie/build-yours but no price that i can see)

Seeing it "in the flesh" in the Fully Charged video has made me warm up to it a lot more than the picture further up the page.

Shefwedfan

The heat pump idea is very interesting.....

Shefwedfan

I am robbing this off facebook in case people have not seen

"Retail pricing will start as follows before the VRT rebate / SEAI grant".

S €92,835
SE €102,130
HSE €109,155
First Edition €121,060

Spirit says delivery is €1,250 and VRT is €11,540

ted1

WAYMO have ordered 20,000.

Not a bad order for jag

Sabre Man

Is anyone here considering buying one?

ELM327

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I am robbing this off facebook in case people have not seen

"Retail pricing will start as follows before the VRT rebate / SEAI grant".

S €92,835
SE €102,130
HSE €109,155
First Edition €121,060

Spirit says delivery is €1,250 and VRT is €11,540

So does that mean 10k off and 1250 added to the above pricing?


Very expensive for a non Tesla ev.

I was always a Jag fan (have owned 2 so far) but I'm not sure I'd pay 80k for one.


Wonder if these will sell well?

Sabre Man

The S Model will start at €91,585. It will qualify for €7,500 in Grants - €5,000 SEAI and €2,500 Revenue and come then come in at €84,085.

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2018/0521/965089-jaguar-launches-its-first-all-electric-car-in-ireland/

ELM327

Sabre Man wrote: »

The S Model will start at €91,585. It will qualify for €7,500 in Grants - €5,000 SEAI and €2,500 Revenue and come then come in at €84,085.

https://www.rte.ie/lifestyle/motors/2018/0521/965089-jaguar-launches-its-first-all-electric-car-in-ireland/

That's incorrect, it qualifies for €5000 VRT rebate, not €2500.
That's an example of lazy hack journalism with no research done.


€2500 is for PHEV.

Mc-BigE

you'd get a lot of petrol or diesel for 90ish grand!

nice looking EV , but out of reach of most people.

ELM327

Mc-BigE wrote: »

you'd get a lot of petrol or diesel for 90ish grand!

nice looking EV , but out of reach of most people.

A comparable petrol or diesel would have to be less... to allow for the exponential difference in running costs.


EG I'm doing 50-60k km a year. Even at half that , 25-30k per year you've still got to account for about 3k per year in fuel. And tax and maintenance. Brings it to at least 4 possibly 5k per year.