Irish people talking like US teenagers?

bobbyss

Heard a Martin Kenny TD on the radio last week (never heard of him before) talking about something or other and noticed very clearly an American influence whereby he finishes his sentences with a question kind of tone?
The way some Americans do? Especially teenagers?

I found this surprising as a debate in the Dail last year (where he said something like 'after I done a lot of research...') he showed no evidence of this frailty at all. Does Micheal Martin suffer the same?

Invariably if you listen to the radio or tv across the spectrum this kind of use of language is pervasive. Miriam O'Callaghan is particularly guilty here. Yet strangely in England I note it little used compared to here. What explains this?

Harry Palmr

Will and Grace

Tom Mann Centuria

It happens in the UK, it was the influx of Australian soaps that were accused back then. The Aussies are far worse than anyone for this particular way of speaking.

corner of hells

bobbyss wrote: »

Heard a Martin Kenny TD on the radio last week (never heard of him before) talking about something or other and noticed very clearly an American influence whereby he finishes his sentences with a question kind of tone?
The way some Americans do? Especially teenagers?

I found this surprising as a debate in the Dail last year (where he said something like 'after I done a lot of research...') he showed no evidence of this frailty at all. Does Micheal Martin suffer the same?

Invariably if you listen to the radio or tv across the spectrum this kind of use of language is pervasive. Miriam O'Callaghan is particularly guilty here. Yet strangely in England I note it little used compared to here. What explains this?

Martin Kenny was born in Leitrim thus accounting for the American accent.

SmartinMartin

I really don't like the American influence on accents here, but my hatred is reserved especially for those who start a sentence with 'So...', and those who speak of past events in the present tense. Horrible bastards.

harry Bailey esq

Drive me mad on the train. Today it was so bad I was jumped up, and at the top of my voice roared ALRIGHT ALREADY!

freshpopcorn

A guy I went to school with used often talk about the shopping cart, parking lot, the trunk and the sidewalk. He just watched to much American TV!

Atoms for Peace

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

It happens in the UK, it was the influx of Australian soaps that were accused back then. The Aussies are far worse than anyone for this particular way of speaking.

Bloody flaming golahs.

NIMAN

There's a girl on The Last Word on TodayFM who reviews TV or music or something, and she has a rising inflection at the end of every sentence.

Its hard to listen to.

Franz Von Peppercorn

SmartinMartin wrote: »

I really don't like the American influence on accents here, but my hatred is reserved especially for those who start a sentence with 'So...', and those who speak of past events in the present tense. Horrible bastards.

So has been around for years in Hibernian English. As has using the present tense for past events for emphasis.

corner of hells

freshpopcorn wrote: »

A guy I went to school with used often talk about the shopping cart, parking lot, the trunk and the sidewalk. He just watched to much American TV!

Was this high school ?

freshpopcorn

corner of hells wrote: »

Was this high school ?

Yes, he used also hate the commercials!

Tipperary animal lover

Like like like and like after every second word, holy ****e it's brutal

GrumpyMe

Our esteemed Minister for Financial Wreaktitude, Pastcal, does it when delivering practiced/prepared pieces. The inflection disappears when he deviates from the scripted presentation.

tigger123

It's called Valley Girl Upspeak.

Jawgap

What-ever.......

.....I blame the J1 programme

McDermotX

'Sup Bro

dxhound2005

Gino Kenny talks proper.

JohnnyFlash

One of my young lads does a bit of that. Like all his sentences finish in a raised tone that makes everything sound like a question. It's bad enough that they have a Dublin accent, but if they start getting yankee accents on top of it then I'll have to send them down to their cousins in Wexford for reeducatin'

whatever99

A lot of Irish teenagers have slight American accents these days. It’s really grating.

And the use of “mom”. The only people I heard using that while growing up were people from Irish-speaking areas, as that’s what mother sounds like in Irish.

It’s definitely a result of too much American television.

splinter65

I don’t mind the teenagers sure they’re temporarily idiots ( I defy anyone to listen to Kourtney Kardashian speaking for 2 whole minutes)
But I overheard a woman in her sixties use the expression “Sorry, my bad!” in Dunnes at the till.

splinter65

GrumpyMe wrote: »

Our esteemed Minister for Financial Wreaktitude, Pastcal, does it when delivering practiced/prepared pieces. The inflection disappears when he deviates from the scripted presentation.

Paschal has at least 2 speech impediments and to be honest I admire him for getting on with it.

ignorance is strength

Prefer it to most Irish accents, tbh.

Martina1991

freshpopcorn wrote:

A guy I went to school with used often talk about the shopping cart, parking lot, the trunk and the sidewalk. He just watched to much American TV!

I work with a guy who uses the words sweater, sidewalk, gross, awesome etc.

He's 30 and from Sligo. Drives me mad.

jimbis

It could be worse, we could be all talking with accents like minister for stepaside Shane Ross :pac:

Robsweezie

You need to be more woke bae

NIMAN

So many voices on Irish radio now aren't Irish accents.

Most of those girls for work for AA Roadwatch, feck knows what accents they have.

Mister Vain

whatever99 wrote: »

A lot of Irish teenagers have slight American accents these days. It’s really grating.

And the use of “mom”. The only people I heard using that while growing up were people from Irish-speaking areas, as that’s what mother sounds like in Irish.

It’s definitely a result of too much American television.

Yeah I have only really noticed this with teenagers. My niece is 13 and has an American twang, as does her mates. It's a lot different to my bogger accent anyway. :pac:

DoozerT6

My friend's young fella (he's 11) sounds like he's been transplanted from California. It's quite pronounced, and in his case, definitely due to too many cartoons when he was younger.

rob316

My young lad has autism and spends alot of time on his iPad watching YouTube videos all American kids on it. He's got an awful twang, calls a bin lorry a "garbage truck". The other day he asked me could we go to target?

Point is kids are picking it up all over the place. And they watching these brainless reality tv shows where the accents are much more pronounced than in movies.

DickSwiveller

This is a particular bug bearer of mine: The uptalk at the end of a sentence. Mary Lou McDonald is terrible for it. It's clearly the influence of American television.

Also, can people stop saying Mom, cab, cops. Irritates me no end.

SQ2

T's becoming D's.

Grrrrrrr.

dxhound2005

SQ2 wrote: »

T's becoming D's.

Grrrrrrr.

You do that yourself.

Klinkhammer

The Internet is making irish adults talk like idiots. Describing things they don't like as "garbage" or instead of thinking something they "feel like". Get the boat if you're Irish and talk like that.

DickSwiveller

Klinkhammer wrote: »

The Internet is making irish adults talk like idiots. Describing things they don't like as "garbage" or instead of thinking something they "feel like". Get the boat if you're Irish and talk like that.

The saddest thing about this trend is that eventually the Irish accent will be indistinguishable from American English. I went on a J1 a few years ago and the Americans I worked thought it was very funny when I said 'grand', 'rubbish' etc. It will be a shame if we lose these words.

diomed

jimbis wrote: »

It could be worse, we could be all talking with accents like minister for stepaside Shane Ross :pac:

We all speak like that on the southside.

Wanderer2010

Its definitely a generational thing. Anyone 35 and under definitely are influenced by American culture, music and tv shows. Teenagers especially you can hear saying words like Amazeballs, awesome, or expressions like you suck or that is SO no true all with strange American/Irish twangs.

diomed

rob316 wrote: »

Point is kids are picking it up all over the place. And they watching these brainless reality tv shows where the accents are much more pronounced than in movies.

You did that for a laugh?

donegaLroad

NIMAN wrote: »

There's a girl on The Last Word on TodayFM who reviews TV or music or something, and she has a rising inflection at the end of every sentence.

Its hard to listen to.

The rising inflection, finishing with the word 'right', with a question-like tone. It has also crept into Canadian lingo over the last 10 years.

Stovepipe

Spot on thread...two teenage friends of my teenage daughter are from deepest West Wickla and should sound like Dinny from Glenroe, but they sound like they are from California. One is male, one if female and if you'd never met them before, you'd assume that they were Americans. I asked my daughter where the female friend got her American accent from, as both her parents are native West Wicklow people, with strong local accents. My daughter just shrugged and said "that's her"........At least, the male friend, his parents are not locals......another local girl was sent to a Southside school and came back sounding like Rachel Allen. After a week. Dropped her local accent like a hot rock. Bit sad, really.

Mrs OBumble

diomed wrote: »

You did that for a laugh?

Well none of you can pronounce film correctly, so movies is an improvement.

Billy86

Tom Mann Centuria wrote: »

It happens in the UK, it was the influx of Australian soaps that were accused back then. The Aussies are far worse than anyone for this particular way of speaking.

It's almost a fine art down there(?), it's almost as if... well it's almost as if(?), as if they can get three or more in a single sentence(?)

Comhrá

"omg.....I was like..."

Those youngsters talking like that should be packed away to the Gaeltacht for a month or so - Rosmuc, Baile na nGall, Ciarrar An Spideal and it would bring them to their senses.

Franz Von Peppercorn

Then there’s the use of that appalling American neologism “OK” for yes, or alright.

What does it even mean? What’s the O and K mean?

Billy86

Comhra wrote: »

"omg.....I was like..."

Those youngsters talking like that should be packed away to the Gaeltacht for a month or so - Rosmuc, Baile na nGall, Ciarrar An Spideal and it would bring them to their senses.

It's a bit head wrecking, but people have been talking like that since I was a kid over 20 years ago. It's not something exclusive to 'youngsters'.

s7ryf3925pivug

This is just bashing southside Dublin people. I'm from southside Dublin and am regularly taken to be American because my accent sounds that way to some people. (It doesn't sound that way to Americans though.) It's not an affectation or me imitating US TV shows. When I grew up we only had a few channels and the content was mainly English or Irish. It's just my accent, get over it.

People from higher status backgrounds have more geographically homogenous accents. People from poorer areas have more regional accents. It's not an American accent, it's a middle class accent some people associate with Americans. So really this boils down to reverse snobbery and bashing people because of where they're from.

Omackeral

Franz Von Peppercorn wrote: »

Then there’s the use of that appalling American neologism “OK” for yes, or alright.

What does it even mean? What’s the O and K mean?

I could be wrong but I think i read that it stood for "oll korrect", a deliberate bastardisation of all correct from way way back. Some sort of secret messaging system, maybe wartime or anti establishment.

Hoboo

Kohen Green Servant wrote: »

This is just bashing southside Dublin people. I'm from southside Dublin and am regularly taken to be American because my accent sounds that way to some people. (It doesn't sound that way to Americans though.) It's not an affectation or me imitating US TV shows. When I grew up we only had a few channels and the content was mainly English or Irish. It's just my accent, get over it.

People from higher status backgrounds have more geographically homogenous accents. People from poorer areas have more regional accents. It's not an American accent, it's a middle class accent some people associate with Americans. So really this boils down to reverse snobbery and bashing people because of where they're from.

Mid Atlantic accent, have one myself. It comes from my parents speaking without an accent. Born in south Dublin too, but moved at 6 to a Louth town with one of the worst accents imaginable, and my parent ensured I didn't 'staaaat speakin liyk dat so they did'. Only issue Ive ever encountered is from people with inferiority complexes and as you said, regional accents and inverted snobbery.

Klinkhammer

Kohen Green Servant wrote: »

This is just bashing southside Dublin people. I'm from southside Dublin and am regularly taken to be American because my accent sounds that way to some people. (It doesn't sound that way to Americans though.) It's not an affectation or me imitating US TV shows. When I grew up we only had a few channels and the content was mainly English or Irish. It's just my accent, get over it.

People from higher status backgrounds have more geographically homogenous accents. People from poorer areas have more regional accents. It's not an American accent, it's a middle class accent some people associate with Americans. So really this boils down to reverse snobbery and bashing people because of where they're from.

I'm from a middle class area in southside Dublin and some people have the accent you describe. Most picked it up when they went to private secondary schools or UCD. The lads that didn't go to these schools or college still have a normal Dublin accent.

So what I'm saying is that you're talking bollox.

SQ2

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You do that yourself.

I todally do.
Anyone for a wader?

s7ryf3925pivug

Klinkhammer wrote: »

I'm from a middle class area in southside Dublin and some people have the accent you describe. Most picked it up when they went to private secondary schools or UCD. The lads that didn't go to these schools or college still have a normal Dublin accent.

So what I'm saying is that you're talking bollox.

No I'm not. Maybe you know people who copied the accent to fit in. But the people they copied just grew up with the accent. The fact it's in private schools is pretty much my point - it's a middle class accent. You're just bashing them for being middle class.