Missing woman found dead as man 'hurt jumping from window' - MOD NOTE POST THREE

Wombatman

Joanne Lee was reported missing on February 13 and her body found wrapped in a sleeping bag inside a wardrobe in a bedsit flat in Dublin.

A suspect was found with two broken legs to the rear of the apartment on Ranelagh Road, having allegedly leapt from a third storey window as Gardai made a forced entry to the front.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-woman-found-dead-wardrobe-12034143

jimbobaloobob

Its a very sad world we live in, may she rest in peace.

freshpopcorn

Just a MOD NOTE Please remember not to speculate at this time and that people's families might read this.

clairewithani

Very sad news for the woman's family and friends. RIP.

Noveight

She was a pretty lady. Even aside from the tragic circumstances 38 is far too young to lose someone.

Assetbacked

Going on facebook combined with the mention in the article of the suspect being “someone well known to her” and it becomes obvious who they are talking about. If true, lock them up forever.

splinter65

Seems to be a big close family. It must be very hard to get to grips with this.
They seemed to be very anxious and worried about her right from Tuesday.
Very very sad.

The_Valeyard

Horrible news to hear. Her family were very active on social media pleading for information.

Really difficult and sad time for them. Cant imagine how difficult a time it will be.


Thoughts and prayers to the family
RIP Joanne.

Outlaw Pete

When I read the headline I thought it was about the recent Manchester murder as the guy who did that jumped out the window also.

McMurphy

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I'll be giving the other half an extra hug this evening - it could be any of our family members getting news like this.

Rip Joanne.

beertons

Reported that the estranged husband was the guy who jumped out the window and broke both his legs.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-believe-joanne-lee-murder-12037265

screamer

Very very tragic. Her poor uncle was in bits talking on the news last night I really felt so very sorry for him.

Assetbacked

beertons wrote: »

Reported that the estranged husband was the guy who jumped out the window and broke both his legs.

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/gardai-believe-joanne-lee-murder-12037265

Suspect who jumped out of the window reported as saying "I had to kill her" plus the fact that this person was in the room where the body was found. Now the person who jumped out of the window has been identified by the Gardaí as her husband.

My thoughts are with her family who are traumatised and devastated. Such an awful thing to have to experience, I hope they can unite together and get the justice they deserve.

whiskeyman

So much awful news at the moment.
This story, that poor 3 year old in Shankill a week ago.
Cases like this seemed to dominate the media if they happened years ago... I just feel it's more and more common these days.

DEFTLEFTHAND

So much evil going on in this country.

What kind of fcking animals do we have here.

That's horrific for both sides of that family, can you imagine the devastation, there would be no getting over that. Poor girl, my heart goes out to her friends and loved ones.

BillyBobBS

Tragic ending. Put's all the little things we worry about on a daily basis in perspective.

Wheety

He's been found dead this morning in his cell

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0412/953940-keith-lee/

Hammer89

I feel so sorry for the relatives of his victim. There is no possible way that justice can be served as a result.

Graces7

May he and she rest in peace and the families find resolution and peace

Assetbacked

I hope he rots in hell.

TheBoyConor

Graces7 wrote: »

May he and she rest in peace and the families find resolution and peace

WTF Grace?


Its what he deserved for what he done. I hope he thrashed in agony while slowly choking.

seamus

Fncking piece of murdering sh1t.

Her family will get no closure now, he wouldn't even afford them that basic courtesy.

TheBoyConor

I don't get that though, them not having closure.....

He's dead now so would they not be "even" if thats the right word to use?

seamus

Closure is not about revenge. It's about understanding the how, when, why and what. It's incredibly difficult to have a family member die without someone they love nearby. Even worse when you've been denied any knowledge of her state of mind when she died, and the person who killed her providing nothing in the way of an explanation.

You will naturally assume the worst; that she has died terrified and in agony. Even knowing whether that's true or not can help you move on. Not knowing makes it way harder to get past the death.

TheBoyConor

That makes sense of course.
But surely the pathologist's investigstion could determine a lot of those things - how stressed she was at time of death, evidence of defensive wounds, whether she had been drugged etc etc.

Hammer89

TheBoyConor wrote: »

That makes sense of course.
But surely the pathologist's investigstion could determine a lot of those things - how stressed she was at time of death, evidence of defensive wounds, whether she had been drugged etc etc.

It won't tell them why and if they don't already have a motive then that's the question which will burn away at them forever.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Closure is not about revenge. It's about understanding the how, when, why and what. It's incredibly difficult to have a family member die without someone they love nearby. Even worse when you've been denied any knowledge of her state of mind when she died, and the person who killed her providing nothing in the way of an explanation.

You will naturally assume the worst; that she has died terrified and in agony. Even knowing whether that's true or not can help you move on. Not knowing makes it way harder to get past the death.

Can the evidence gathered not be released anyway?
I don't think I'd much like to see the guy who did it describe my daughter's last breath tbh.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Can the evidence gathered not be released anyway?
I don't think I'd much like to see the guy who did it describe my daughter's last breath tbh.

Any evidence is still qualified guesswork though, right? Someone who slipped off a steep hill to their death would probably be in something of a similar state to someone who was brutally beaten; both in terms of the levels of hormones in their body and the injuries sustained. But the stories of their last minutes/hours/days of life would be completely different.

TheBoyConor

^^
Yeah it is but it's coming from a professional qualified and experienced in the field.

I'd take their word above the testimony of a murdering animal bastard any day of the week.

seamus

That's not really what I mean.

Where the perpetrator has died, all you've got is qualified guesswork. There are still a lot of unknowns. The experts can tell you roughly when she died and what killed her. They can't tell you what happened before then. They can't tell where she was for 3 days. These are the kind of questions that haunt you.

The murderer sure may lie, but in the case of a trial you'll at least get to piece some parts together; he'll be attempting to create a plausible narrative, so most of the story will be true to some degree. If he pleads guilty, then he'll probably tell the truth, why wouldn't he.

If he dies, you get nothing but what-ifs and probablys.

While knowing what transpired would most probably be torture, not knowing would be a never ending torture of questioning. I'd rather know, no matter how hard it would be.

Trigger Happy

Good riddance. I had assumed he was in the central mental hospital and not prison as he seemed a bit nuts.

fash

seamus wrote: »

Closure is not about revenge. It's about understanding the how, when, why and what. It's incredibly difficult to have a family member die without someone they love nearby. Even worse when you've been denied any knowledge of her state of mind when she died, and the person who killed her providing nothing in the way of an explanation.

And you think they'd have gotten any of that from a criminal trial?

Dial Hard

fash wrote: »

And you think they'd have gotten any of that from a criminal trial?

They have, or they may not. But this way they'll never know.

seamus

seamus wrote: »

Any evidence is still qualified guesswork though, right? Someone who slipped off a steep hill to their death would probably be in something of a similar state to someone who was brutally beaten; both in terms of the levels of hormones in their body and the injuries sustained. But the stories of their last minutes/hours/days of life would be completely different.

Do people generally wait until the trial to do a big reveal? I thought that was generally just on TV.

Leftyflip

Death was too good for him. B*stard

Shurimgreat

I think the victim's family will be happy enough with this outcome.
It saves them going through a painful trial where the crimescene and last moments of her life are poured over in detail.

I think they would also have to write a letter every couple of years saying why he shouldn't get parole. And he probably would get parole after 20 years.

All in all a satisfactory outcome for them and hopefully some closure.

the_syco

Wheety wrote: »

He's been found dead this morning in his cell

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2018/0412/953940-keith-lee/

I'd wonder was he on suicide watch?

wakka12

What was the reason he murdered her?

kenmc

wakka12 wrote: »

What was the reason he murdered her?

Coke, according to rte news. Jumped out the window to try to kill himself but a garda stemmed the flow of blood

Also said there's 3 investigations going on into his death. Seems a bit extreme to me TBH, if someone wants to kill themselves they should be free to do so, in jail or otherwise. Saves the cost of incarceration, trial etc.

seamus

kenmc wrote: »

Coke, according to rte news. Jumped out the window to try to kill himself but a garda stemmed the flow of blood

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/joanne-and-keith-lee-dead-after-a-spiral-of-drugs-betrayal-and-violence-1.3459584

Paints it as a "nice guy whose life was ruined by drugs", but from hearing from people who knew them, he was never exactly husband of the year material. Losing his job, having an affair and becoming a coke dealer was the end of a long chain of sh1ttyness.

Also said there's 3 investigations going on into his death. Seems a bit extreme to me TBH, if someone wants to kill themselves they should be free to do so, in jail or otherwise. Saves the cost of incarceration, trial etc.

Meh, due process. Always going to be a coroner's inquest during a sudden death, and the prison service will have to have their own to figure out how he did it.

Maybe there's a 3rd investigation required since he was in custody awaiting trial, and not a "real" prisoner?

Neyite

wakka12 wrote: »

What was the reason he murdered her?

That he was just an abusive bastard who couldn't grasp the fact his wife was entitled to end the marriage and decided if he can't have her, nobody will?

Who knows really, but that's my guess. Also fits with the cowardly suicide instead of facing up to the consequences of his actions.

Grayson

To be fair there are questions about how someone who was on suicide watch committed suicide. I'm not mourning him but it shouldn't have been possible.