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More troubles with Turas Nua

  • 15-02-2018 10:33AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭


    Hi,

    I would like to do a Payroll course, which the officer in DSP said would be fine, and I would qualify for funding. Jobseekers are allowed €500/year grant towards education, and I was told 'private courses' are included.
    Then I was told as I'm on TNs' books, they must arrange the funding for me.
    After 2weeks of waiting on callbacks, I received an email yesterday saying NO.
    The guts of the reason given was "Unfortunately private courses such as this one, are not ones we can refer you on to and cover / part cover the costs.
    If you get a guaranteed job offer, on the condition that you complete this course, we may be able to review this at that time."

    Today my intent is to get to someone in DSP to assist me. Surely being with TN does not negate my rights?

    Does anyone have any advice please?

    thanks,
    Twelve Bar Blues


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    It is sad that Turas Nua instead of helping you into employment is actually preventing you from persuing opportunities that will help you find a job.

    Ask to see a social welfare inspector. They can have some influence to help you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x








  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x


    Hi,

    I would like to do a Payroll course, which the officer in DSP said would be fine, and I would qualify for funding. Jobseekers are allowed €500/year grant towards education, and I was told 'private courses' are included.
    Then I was told as I'm on TNs' books, they must arrange the funding for me.
    After 2weeks of waiting on callbacks, I received an email yesterday saying NO.
    The guts of the reason given was "Unfortunately private courses such as this one, are not ones we can refer you on to and cover / part cover the costs.
    If you get a guaranteed job offer, on the condition that you complete this course, we may be able to review this at that time."

    Today my intent is to get to someone in DSP to assist me. Surely being with TN does not negate my rights?

    Does anyone have any advice please?

    thanks,
    Twelve Bar Blues
    Contact Jeff Rudd on Facebook. He can help. Himself and a few other people brought Turas Nua / Seetec aka Jobpath to the dublin High Court and won a case against them for illegally cutting people off the dole. Also he has been investigating JobPath with the past two years so he can help you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Steve30x wrote: »
    Contact Jeff Rudd on Facebook. He can help. Himself and a few other people brought Turas Nua / Seetec aka Jobpath to the dublin High Court and won a case against them for illegally cutting people off the dole. Also he has been investigating JobPath with the past two years so he can help you.

    None of this is true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x


    splinter65 wrote: »
    None of this is true.
    Its very very true.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x


    splinter65 wrote: »
    None of this is true.

    https://www.facebook.com/Jeffrudd31/posts/1833821596628532?pnref=story

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1833659906644701&set=a.201612419849466.54255.100000021280418&type=3&theater
    An Irish Victory.
    .
    Today (26th day of January, 2018) in the Dublin highcourt, the judgement of Ms. Justice Faherty was delivered regarding the case taken against the Department of Social Protection, Seetec and Turas Nua.
    .
    The outcome was a typical style Irish one. It was alleged in complaint and the judge in her verdict agreed that all involved had "egregiously" acted "erroneously" as stated in court. To further quote her own exact full report legalese words:
    .
    "...the Court is satisfied that what is sought to be achieved by the applicant in the within application is the leave of the Court to judicially review by seeking orders of certiorari of what are alleged to be the unlawful decisions of the second respondent and third respondent whereby the applicant was denied his Jobseekers Allowance, Supplementary Welfare Allowance and, as he alleges, a proper, fair, effective and expeditious appeal process."
    .
    In plain English, they had broken the law in stopping social welfare payments. Due to a citizen not signing a private contract, the state and private company acted illegal and by their own (reluctant) admission, they further stated that they had acted outside legislative powers. The judge agreed. This is a court verdict - not an opinion.
    .
    Up till now all we had (even though it was clear cut itself) was a court admission by the state and private company, reluctantly admitting they acted wrong and a sworn admission given by them also reluctantly that they had not the legal power to cut benefits as they were doing.
    .
    This now is further backed up by court verdict - that they have been deemed to have acted outside the law of the land.
    .
    .
    The sting in the tale.
    .
    Here's where it gets typical Irish. As the original initiator of the case Damien Fagan, had bravely decided not to let the now found court guilty, away with their actions, he went down the legal route to get his illegal deducted money back. As he much later was able to do this, having to force their hand just so he could gain what should not have been stolen from him in the first place, the judge was reluctant to apply any punishments upon the parties involved.
    .
    Further more, as he had got his money back, this was used as a reason to deny a further application, the seeking of a full judicial review into what was and still is going on.
    .
    It is on latter basis that now we are all off to the Supreme Court for further judgement regarding the denial of a judicial review and the non-application of any penalty on those now found in verdict to be guilty.
    .
    .
    Scenario.
    .
    Imagine if you will, you being mugged for your money - the thief gets caught - admits they broke the law - the court agrees - the mugger gives the money back - so the judge says he won't be punished. That in essence is what has happened today.
    .
    Justice has not been seen, to be properly administered according to legal punishment guidelines. If there is to be any further effective deterrent to stop further law breaking, punishments must be rendered and also seen to be rendered. As that has not effectively happened, off to the Supreme court we go. If this fails, off to the European court we go.
    .
    This matter is not over.
    .
    .
    16,000
    .
    16,000 people last year was sanctioned. Many of these were due to now court verdict decided, ILLEGAL actions by culprits involved. Those that were illegal sanctioned for their refusal to sign a private contract, can now take a legal case against those who administered what a court verdict has said, was an illegal deduction.
    .
    Under the eyes of the law they MUST gain their money back - but to get it, they must at least probably initiate a legal case to do this.
    .
    UnitedPeople will help all those that wish to do this, for free and show all how they can go through the courts using a free process to do it.
    .
    This case has already cost them €60,000. Now their bill for trying to push one person into a contract he had the legal right to turn down, will go up another €100,000. Imagine if every person that was bullied previously or is being bullied RIGHT NOW, also takes a similar case...
    .
    It is thought likely that the state will continue to act illegally - as will the two private companies. They will continue to each act illegally even - even though there's a court verdict that they have acted such - as they know that a lot of people after being illegal deducted or cut off, will not likely take a legal case against them.
    .
    They knowing this, is a further example of how low they are willing to go and a further example of they individually and collectively will exploit the current JobPath programme so that two private companies can profit even more to the tune of more Millions of Euro.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x


    Of course you can ignore the proof I posted too

    http://www.unitedpeople.ie/the-jobpath-threat/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 953 ✭✭✭The Nutty M


    splinter65 wrote: »
    None of this is true.

    One wonders what your motives are for saying something that is,quite clearly,untrue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x


    One wonders what your motives are for saying something that is,quite clearly,untrue.
    He is either a Fine Gael troll or he works for Turas Nua or Seetec. He doesn't like it when people speak out against Job path and tell the actual truth.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Hi,

    I would like to do a Payroll course, which the officer in DSP said would be fine, and I would qualify for funding. Jobseekers are allowed €500/year grant towards education, and I was told 'private courses' are included.
    Then I was told as I'm on TNs' books, they must arrange the funding for me.
    After 2weeks of waiting on callbacks, I received an email yesterday saying NO.
    The guts of the reason given was "Unfortunately private courses such as this one, are not ones we can refer you on to and cover / part cover the costs.
    If you get a guaranteed job offer, on the condition that you complete this course, we may be able to review this at that time."

    Today my intent is to get to someone in DSP to assist me. Surely being with TN does not negate my rights?

    Does anyone have any advice please?

    thanks,
    Twelve Bar Blues

    So you want to try and get yourself some new skills and better yourself for chances of employment and this crowd are stopping you, unbelievable.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 557 ✭✭✭Steve30x


    So you want to try and get yourself some new skills and better yourself for chances of employment and this crowd are stopping you, unbelievable.
    This is how they work. The very first day at Turas Nua last june there was a Turas Nua rep and the manager of our local Social Welfare office giving speeches there. We were told we can not in any circumstances take any schemes (CE Schemes , Gateway etc) or do any courses. We just do the two hour courses they give every few months and do what we have been doing all along. Apply for jobs online and hand out CV's. Turas Nua is in our twon with two and a half years. They haven't got a job for one person in the town yet.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    The bit about Jeff Rudd investigating this for 2 years is untrue. It's a lie pushed by a well known liar (Jeff Rudd, his shenanigans can be easily looked up on a thread in the Political Cafe). Jeff has been on about Seetec on his political page since they tried to get him back to work- he's been unemployed for 10 years+.

    Jeff didn't take a case against the DSP. Damien Fagan did. Jeff assisted Damien- exactly how is unclear. Damien Fagan isn't on record confirming Jeff's exact role.

    I'm not saying what Jeff is saying is wrong with regards to people's contact with Seetec etc. I simply don't know. But I would caution people about believing anything coming from Jeff Rudd. He's stung and mislead a lot of people over the years and he's intent on doing it into the future.

    There is a large back up of his previous antics on Boards.ie.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭whippet


    It would also be worth thinking about Jeff’s real intentions ... he is campaigning for the rights of people to keep their Job Seekers benifet even if they have no intention of seeking work.

    He has spent a decade unemployed and yet feels that he needs no help with his CV or in looking for work.

    Anyone who questions him is labelled a troll, FG supporter or of being Denis O’Brien.

    Unfortunately as there is such a cohort of people who are unwilling to seek gainful employment the government had to introduce something like JobPath to speerate the can’t work from the won’t work and as with anything introduced by government and the civil service it becomes a mess.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 81,176 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    whippet wrote: »
    It would also be worth thinking about Jeff’s real intentions ... he is campaigning for the rights of people to keep their Job Seekers benifet even if they have no intention of seeking work.

    He has spent a decade unemployed and yet feels that he needs no help with his CV or in looking for work.

    Anyone who questions him is labelled a troll, FG supporter or of being Denis O’Brien.

    Unfortunately as there is such a cohort of people who are unwilling to seek gainful employment the government had to introduce something like JobPath to speerate the can’t work from the won’t work and as with anything introduced by government and the civil service it becomes a mess.

    Is this the same guy?

    http://www.thejournal.ie/united-people-jeff-rudd-new-political-party-direct-democracy-ireland-2332823-Sep2015/


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    ^^yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,024 ✭✭✭Owryan


    Also if you read up on the judgement, he didn't actually win any case. Judge ruled that since the claimant got his money there was no case to answer.

    But in typical ruddish this was twisted to suit his narrative. Apparently he is now taking a case that does not exist to the courts, one has to ask how he plans to fund this on the dole.

    Imagine if he put the same effort into a job as he has into avoiding getting a job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,740 ✭✭✭whippet


    It seems jeff has been reading here !!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Steve30x wrote: »
    Its very very true.

    It’s not true it’s lies. But please. Go along with Rudd if that what you want to do. It’s a free country after all.
    Come back though and let us know exactly how you get on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    One wonders what your motives are for saying something that is,quite clearly,untrue.

    My motives are to help people avoid being lured down a blind alley with Jeff Rudd. A blind alley which may result in them having their benefits cut or even stopped.
    But you go down there if you like, no one is stopping you at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 126 ✭✭Plugguy


    Hi,

    I would like to do a Payroll course, which the officer in DSP said would be fine, and I would qualify for funding. Jobseekers are allowed €500/year grant towards education, and I was told 'private courses' are included.
    Then I was told as I'm on TNs' books, they must arrange the funding for me.
    After 2weeks of waiting on callbacks, I received an email yesterday saying NO.
    The guts of the reason given was "Unfortunately private courses such as this one, are not ones we can refer you on to and cover / part cover the costs.
    If you get a guaranteed job offer, on the condition that you complete this course, we may be able to review this at that time."

    Today my intent is to get to someone in DSP to assist me. Surely being with TN does not negate my rights?

    Does anyone have any advice please?

    thanks,
    Twelve Bar Blues

    Unfortunately I suspect that when you go to DSP they will tell you that it is up to Turas Nua now that you are with them. I hope I am wrong.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 846 ✭✭✭Tenigate


    Op, you're not entitled to funding for private courses.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,409 ✭✭✭Nomis21


    Tenigate wrote: »
    Op, you're not entitled to funding for private courses.

    Yes you are. Up to 500 Euro per year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 161 ✭✭Twelve Bar Blues


    Plugguy wrote: »
    Unfortunately I suspect that when you go to DSP they will tell you that it is up to Turas Nua now that you are with them. I hope I am wrong.

    I really hope this is wrong too. Couldn't get through to anyone, will start calling again Mon. Whatever the outcome, I'll update here.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Steve30x wrote: »
    Its very very true.

    Hey Steve, the guy you quote and believe in is the same person that thinks his house was broken into by the government. Jeff's evidence was that wires were loose on the back of his computer.

    Just saying- the guy you believe in believes the government broke into his house to check his computer. His evidence is some loose wires in the back of his computer.

    I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm just making sure that's the same guy we're talking about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    humberklog wrote: »
    Hey Steve, the guy you quote and believe in is the same person that thinks his house was broken into by the government. Jeff's evidence was that wires were loose on the back of his computer.

    Just saying- the guy you believe in believes the government broke into his house to check his computer. His evidence is some loose wires in the back of his computer.

    I know I'm repeating myself, but I'm just making sure that's the same guy we're talking about.

    Humberklog there’s none so blind as those who will not see. Your efforts to warn and dissuade the easily persuaded are noted though.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    splinter65 wrote: »
    Humberklog there’s none so blind as those who will not see. Your efforts to warn and dissuade the easily persuaded are noted though.

    That's why over on the Political Cafe forum we warn people about him. He's fooled a lot of good people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    humberklog wrote: »
    That's why over people about this person over on the Political Cafe forum. He's fooled a lot of good people.

    A professional fantasist all his life.
    Truth is that he’s one of the unemployable anyway.
    Nutter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,353 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Nomis21 wrote:
    Yes you are. Up to 500 Euro per year.

    There are conditions; you are not automatically entitled to this by default.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 211 ✭✭Johnnycanyon


    So you want to try and get yourself some new skills and better yourself for chances of employment and this crowd are stopping you, unbelievable.
    . That ass hole varadkar would rather pay the British scam organization than help out one of our own people to better themselves. But I suppose it's the blue shirts we are talking about and truth be known some of them are probably involved financially with this so called company.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,920 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    made me apply for a job a few weeks back to a local niteclub for a bar position and have heard nothing back. it said experience essential but they told me I have it (I work part time in customer service role nothing to do with bar work)

    I work varied hours a week but always fall under the 30 hour limit. I'm made do these courses which my advisor says 'be good for ya'

    Christ


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