Full Birth Certificate?

sweirdo

Hi everyone, I'm losing my mind with the registration office. I'm German, and am moving to Ireland six months before I intend to marry my Irish fiancé. Now, after dealing with all the freedom-to-marry-cert stuff, I was told I need to have a long birth certificate or full birth certificate which must contain details about my parents.
The problem is: We only have one birth certificate in Germany. And all the details it includes are my name, place of birth, date of birth and my parents' names and where they lived at the time of my birth. Will this be sufficient? What am I supposed to do?
I'm dreading trying to explain this to the GRO as they haven't been particularly helpful in the past and are by now super annoyed by me asking questions. (Which can't really be avoided if every time my fiancé calls we get different information). Help!

Cushie Butterfield

If Germany just issue one type of birth Cert then that’s what you give them. They’ll be familiar with how the German Birth Cert looks so won’t question it once it’s legit.

sweirdo

Okay, thanks. They don't seem to familiar with anything as I had to explain everything a thousand times until they saw that I cannot get a freedom-to-marry cert and only a documentation of my civil status from my registration office here. So I wouldn't count on that. An international birth cert with an apostille stamp should be fine, you think?

lazygal

My other half's birth cert is a laminated credit card size yoke. It was fine. If that's what a country calls a birth cert you can't get something which doesn't exist.

pixbyjohn

sweirdo wrote: »

Okay, thanks. They don't seem to familiar with anything as I had to explain everything a thousand times until they saw that I cannot get a freedom-to-marry cert and only a documentation of my civil status from my registration office here. So I wouldn't count on that. An international birth cert with an apostille stamp should be fine, you think?

That is perfect

Faith

sweirdo wrote: »

Hi everyone, I'm losing my mind with the registration office. I'm German, and am moving to Ireland six months before I intend to marry my Irish fiancé. Now, after dealing with all the freedom-to-marry-cert stuff, I was told I need to have a long birth certificate or full birth certificate which must contain details about my parents.
The problem is: We only have one birth certificate in Germany. And all the details it includes are my name, place of birth, date of birth and my parents' names and where they lived at the time of my birth. Will this be sufficient? What am I supposed to do?
I'm dreading trying to explain this to the GRO as they haven't been particularly helpful in the past and are by now super annoyed by me asking questions. (Which can't really be avoided if every time my fiancé calls we get different information). Help!

My husband was born in Germany and his birth cert was a ratty little piece of paper. We had to order some kind of longer birth cert for him and get an apostille stamp. Looking at it now, it’s got “Geburtskunde” written on the top and details of him, his mum and his dad. It’s about A4 size. As far as I remember, we asked a family friend still living in Germany to get it for him from the city hall or something?

Edit: there’s another piece of paper that I think translates to “international birthcert” along with that.

splinter65

lazygal wrote: »

My other half's birth cert is a laminated credit card size yoke. It was fine. If that's what a country calls a birth cert you can't get something which doesn't exist.

That sounds so cool, I don’t know why it just does!

miezekatze

I will be in the same situation soon and afaik the international birth cert is fine.. I sure hope it will be! The letter of freedom to marry should be the Ehefähigkeitsbescheinigung, no?

sweirdo

miezekatze wrote: »

I will be in the same situation soon and afaik the international birth cert is fine.. I sure hope it will be! The letter of freedom to marry should be the Ehefähigkeitsbescheinigung, no?

Well, we asked if the Ledigkeitsbescheinigung will do and apparently it's up to each registration office. So where we are going it is accepted, in Cork they wanted the Ehefähigkeitszeugnis which would pretty much be impossible to get for us as far as we know (my FI would need a freedom-to-marry cert and apparently they don't issue that unless you get married abroad [which we don't] nd not until 8 weeks before the wedding [so the 3-month-notification period won't work]).
Anyone know if they'll ask me for a PPSN? They told me I wouldn't need one, but the checklist says I do. And then they won't issue me a letter requesting a PPSN for me which is what the lady at the welfare center told me to ask for. So I'm confused. But I have their mails black on white, so I'll go by that now. I'll try and get a number until the appointment and hope for the best.

Cheshire Cat

You can apply for an international birth certificate from the Standesamt your birth was registered at. This gives details of your parents. You need the number on your original birth certificate, you should be able to do this online unless you are from a small place. I was born in Munich and my sons in Berlin. Got our birth certificates within 10 days and don't have to worry about having them translated.

Unrelated: make sure to hold on to your Abmeldebescheinigung, the embassy is still looking for it after 13 years

sweirdo

Huh. I am from a small place, but I'll get my mum to get me a birth certificate of my own (as they only have one in a little book together with their marriage license, so they can't give me that).
I guess the number will be on that?

Oh, that's a good tip. Will I get one from my Einwohnermeldeamt if I do the whole thing via mail? I'll have to as I'm still in a work contract for like 3 more months after I leave for Ireland, so I have public health insurance in Germany. Meaning I'd probably do the whole thing after the contract ends.

Cheshire Cat

sweirdo wrote: »

Huh. I am from a small place, but I'll get my mum to get me a birth certificate of my own (as they only have one in a little book together with their marriage license, so they can't give me that).
I guess the number will be on that?

Oh, that's a good tip. Will I get one from my Einwohnermeldeamt if I do the whole thing via mail? I'll have to as I'm still in a work contract for like 3 more months after I leave for Ireland, so I have public health insurance in Germany. Meaning I'd probably do the whole thing after the contract ends.

Yes, the number is on the original birth cert.

Not sure about the Abmeldebestätigung, if you do it online, but you should get some sort of receipt.

sweirdo

Okay, that should do then. Maybe they can send it to my parents and they can hold onto it for me.
So would I have to look at the one that my parents have together with their marriage license or on the one that I'll be issued now?
(To clarify, I didn't have a birth certificate before. My thing is called Abstammungsurkunde and is fixed in a family book, meaning I can't take it out. I can't take the book because it has my parents' marriage license. It's difficult )

Cheshire Cat

Abstammungsurkunde = Geburtsurkunde

You can order extra copies of the one in your parents' Stammbuch. Make sure to get the international version and get more than one!

http://www.recht-finanzen.de/faq/2667-internationale-geburtsurkunde-beantragen

sweirdo

Hi, I did order the international one already and asked my mom to get me the birth certificate. If that'S a copy, then that should be all fine and dandy. Thanks again.

Haithabu

How did you get on with all that ? I plan to get married here in Ireland in October and want to avoid any bad surprises.



I have my Abstammungsurkunde from the family booklet, had it copied by an Irish solicitor (stamped as "true copy of the original") and have it translated by a registered translator. That should be enough I hope.

miezekatze

Haithabu wrote: »

How did you get on with all that ? I plan to get married here in Ireland in October and want to avoid any bad surprises.

I have my Abstammungsurkunde from the family booklet, had it copied by an Irish solicitor (stamped as "true copy of the original") and have it translated by a registered translator. That should be enough I hope.

I got married here a few months ago. For the letter of freedom I was told that I just needed some kind of document that confirmed I was single. So I got an Erweiterte Meldebescheinigung and had it translated. I didn't even need it in the end though, all I needed was my birth certificate (I got an international one) with apostille stamp (you do need the apostille stamp!). So don't worry too much about it, they are much more easy going about these things here than they would be in Germany! I didn't need an Abstammungsurkunde or anything like that, just the regular international birth cert.

sweirdo

Hey, I got on with no problems at all. International Birth cert was fine and no questions asked about the other document. (But we asked beforehand several times).

We're all good and married now