Vegans sending death threats to dairy farmers on social media.

Say my name

It seems to be getting very serious now.:eek:
Surely it must be time for prosecutions to follow for so called vegan representatives harassing dairy farmers who use social media. I mean a death threat is a death threat. Whether it's said face to face or even worse in my view posted over the internet. Prosecutions should follow or are the only people allowed to use social media now bully boy militant vegans?:mad:

http://www.thatsfarming.com/news/dairy-farm-vegan-abuse

beautyobsessed

Farmers put food on our table, anything that threatens a farmer threatens all who buy their produce in the markets and supermarkets. I am vegetarian and will make the transition to vegan but I'm just getting the hang of the veggie thing right now. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down other peoples throats. However we do eat a lot of meat[some have meat every day and that has proven to not be healthy]. We should at least have three meat free days per week if we are to live healthy full lives.

Farmer Tom

Them vegans would want to be put out cleaning drains with shovels and wake up and live in the real world.

wrangler

Say my name wrote: »

It seems to be getting very serious now.:eek:
Surely it must be time for prosecutions to follow for so called vegan representatives harassing dairy farmers who use social media. I mean a death threat is a death threat. Whether it's said face to face or even worse in my view posted over the internet. Prosecutions should follow or are the only people allowed to use social media now bully boy militant vegans?:mad:

http://www.thatsfarming.com/news/dairy-farm-vegan-abuse

What do they expect when anonymous posting is allowed and encouraged even....trolls paradise

NIMAN

Surely the authorities should be taking death threats seriously?

I know none of these numpties would have the balls to actually cause harm to someone, but it's easy enough to track someone via their ip address.

Haul a few of them in, give out a few suspended sentences and that would take the urge off them.

Waffletraktor

Like every religon you'll have a few zealots.

Base price

Waffletraktor wrote: »

Like every religon you'll have a few zealots.

Like every ideology there are extremists who know no bounds.

Who2

While I know it’s hypocritical by even acknowledging this thread we’re doing wrong

worded

They would’ve have enough energy to kill anyone so it’s not a serious threat.

Bit a few should be jailed in one of our Vegan friendly jails with recycled metal doors to show the udders that this isn’t on though

Wait till to you see them all keeping sharpened carrots as shanks and spitting garlic at the guards within a few weeks though

Also I’m not one for retaliation but should some carnivores start threatening a few cous cous or turnip farmers to balance this hate out a bit man ?

Say my name

Who2 wrote: »

While I know it’s hypocritical by even acknowledging this thread we’re doing wrong

How so?

The extreme extreme vitriol seems to have now become part of the course in recent times for dairy farmers online.
But now post a clip of a cow giving birth on Facebook or Twitter and you get death threats for you and your family.
When did this become acceptable?
This thread is merely shining a light on the dangerous turn of events that non social (twitter, facebook) media farmers or non social media vegans or the rest of society may be unaware of.
By acknowledging that it's happening doesn't make this thread wrong.

Ignoring the problem has only allowed the threats to grow in intensity till we now have reached where we are in death threats ffs and still the best solution by the authorities was to tell the farmer to remove the clip of a cow giving birth to three calves rather than deal with the perpetrators.

mahoney_j

Tis crazy andxstupid on twitter ,all these hard core vegans sucking some farmers into pointless arguemenrs ,just ignore them and don’t engage best form of defence .lots posting pictures and videos of the high quality and welfare standards that we use to produce and care for our ainmals ,should be just left at that

Mtx

The militant vegan movement is led by trolls who know they can make a career out of it e.g earthling ed and Joey carbstrong. The movement is followed by stupid people out of touch of how society works. Real vegans wouldn't be at this crap.

patsy_mccabe

We should send them all back in time to the potato famine. :rolleyes:

diceyreilly

beautyobsessed wrote: »

Farmers put food on our table, anything that threatens a farmer threatens all who buy their produce in the markets and supermarkets. I am vegetarian and will make the transition to vegan but I'm just getting the hang of the veggie thing right now. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down other peoples throats. However we do eat a lot of meat[some have meat every day and that has proven to not be healthy]. We should at least have three meat free days per week if we are to live healthy full lives.

That of course is nonsense. My Dad is 82. Has eaten meat every day I’ve known him. And I think I’ve seen him unwell about twice in my life ( cold/flu)
Some people are healthy and some people aren’t regardless if they eat meat or not.

aaakev

Some of these lads are are a bit nuts and will resort to breaking the law. Look at what they did to the fur farming lads. I know a lad who was broken into and had mink released by these ****ers. Last i spoke to him he had closed up shop because it wasnt worth all the hassle, he had them camping out in the woods watching their movements and all. Scary stuff

Dakota Dan

beautyobsessed wrote: »

Farmers put food on our table, anything that threatens a farmer threatens all who buy their produce in the markets and supermarkets. I am vegetarian and will make the transition to vegan but I'm just getting the hang of the veggie thing right now. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down other peoples throats. However we do eat a lot of meat[some have meat every day and that has proven to not be healthy]. We should at least have three meat free days per week if we are to live healthy full lives.

Eating meat every day is perfectly fine as long as you don't eat too much of it. Can you give a link to where it was proven otherwise and not vegan propaganda?

Farmer

I acknowledge someone's right to chhose what they wish to eat or even to canvas the rest of us on the merits or otherwise of a particular way of life, including the greenhouse gas emissions point.

However, the bit I don't understand is what they see as the role of these cute cuddly calves and cows in their utopian world. Do they imagine that we will just keep them as pets to wander aimlessly through the peas and turnips until they die of old age. Or, would they become virtually extinct, with a few samples maintained in zoos and pet farms?. We have all watched yojng calves playing in a meadow, cows lying out contented in the sun, happily munching nuts at a trough etc. While their lives might not be very long, they are generally treated much better than they would be in the wild and do not suffer an inhumane death, as many humans do.

It's pretty cruel that these people deny them that chance to be born and live that existance

White Clover

I'd prefer to eat my own beef and lamb than fruit and veg grown thousands of miles away.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Say my name wrote: »

How so?

The extreme extreme vitriol seems to have now become part of the course in recent times for dairy farmers online.
But now post a clip of a cow giving birth on Facebook or Twitter and you get death threats for you and your family.
When did this become acceptable?
This thread is merely shining a light on the dangerous turn of events that non social (twitter, facebook) media farmers or non social media vegans or the rest of society may be unaware of.
By acknowledging that it's happening doesn't make this thread wrong.

Ignoring the problem has only allowed the threats to grow in intensity till we now have reached where we are in death threats ffs and still the best solution by the authorities was to tell the farmer to remove the clip of a cow giving birth to three calves rather than deal with the perpetrators.

There are no sanctions for acting the donkey on Facebook or twitter, at most a slap on the wrist.

I reported one death thread a week ago, the account was closed and he was back again a few hours later at exactly the same carry on.

And a big chunk of the no name accounts are paid trolls, easy enough to spot after a while mostly due to the low quality studies they link as 'proof' that vegans diets are the best.

But I have great admiration for those posting pics and video online, I wouldn't have the patience to deal with those trolls.

TITANIUM.

Allot of it is it's just in fashion at the moment. Was out before Christmas there and we got into a debate with a few girls. They were grand but of course the vegan of the group was the most vocal, she produced all kinds of supplements from her bag as a kind of visual aid to her argument.it sounded almost rehearsed. She looked grand and healthy anyway, not shy of a bit of feeding of you know what I mean. We all had heard enough of her dominating the conversation and refusing to change the subject so we politely said goodnight and moved on.
Long story short fast forward to close to 3 in the morning and I said I'd grab a bite before home, And low and behold who was slouched on the wall outside the chipper van, mangling a 1/4 pounder with cheese, yep so I waited for her to have a another massive mouthful and asked what bottle of pills she got that out of? Her face was hilarious. And she couldn't say a word because her mouth was so packed.
As a farmer I thanked her for supporting our beef industry and moved on.
She was clearly being (or pretending to be) vegan for the wrong reasons. Some people do it because they perceive it to hip or cool. And many haven't given the matter a great deal of thought.

DX85

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tractorporn

patsy_mccabe wrote:

We sould send them all back in time to the potato famine.

A man with a full belly has many problems.

A man with an empty stomach only has one problem.

KatyMac

Humans were obviously born to eat meat - why else would we have canine teeth? Do vegans get their 'eye' teeth pulled just so they won't be tempted?

Buford T. Justice XIX

A good retort in this tweet
https://twitter.com/farmerThomo/status/959790237277966336?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1

Gawddawggonnit

Veganuary, Febudairy etc are pure infantile schoolyard stuff...dairy farmers jumping up and down in fits of apoplexy...


The ‘Schoolmaster’ (Eu agriculture commissioner) made a statement last week about Irish dairy that could have much deeper repercussions than a few vegan zealots.




I’ll get my coat.

einn32

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Veganuary, Febudairy etc are pure infantile schoolyard stuff...dairy farmers jumping up and down in fits of apoplexy...


The ‘Schoolmaster’ (Eu agriculture commissioner) made a statement last week about Irish dairy that could have much deeper repercussions than a few vegan zealots.




I’ll get my coat.

I firmly believe you could give some Irish farmers nothing for their milk and they would still slave away.

Reati

Isn't being a vegan and threatening to kill a living thing fundamentally apposed points of view? Sounds like trolls.

wrangler

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Veganuary, Febudairy etc are pure infantile schoolyard stuff...dairy farmers jumping up and down in fits of apoplexy...


The ‘Schoolmaster’ (Eu agriculture commissioner) made a statement last week about Irish dairy that could have much deeper repercussions than a few vegan zealots.




I’ll get my coat.

Never going to happen, Eu will look after dairy farmers, always have, always will

aaakev

Reati wrote: »

Isn't being a vegan and threatening to kill a living thing fundamentally apposed points of view? Sounds like trolls.

You would think that but apparently humans are fair game, especially humans who kill animals.....

Rezident

beautyobsessed wrote: »

Farmers put food on our table, anything that threatens a farmer threatens all who buy their produce in the markets and supermarkets. I am vegetarian and will make the transition to vegan but I'm just getting the hang of the veggie thing right now. I don't believe in shoving my beliefs down other peoples throats. However we do eat a lot of meat[some have meat every day and that has proven to not be healthy]. We should at least have three meat free days per week if we are to live healthy full lives.

Wrong, eating meat each day has not been proven to be unhealthy, it's what we've been eating for millions of years, meat and veg. Google it.

Who2

I don’t know whether it’s this thread or the feed of drink I took last nite but it’s bloody depressing.

wrangler

Who2 wrote: »

I don’t know whether it’s this thread or the feed of drink I took last nite but it’s bloody depressing.

Bad pint, Probably the fourteenth

ganmo

wrangler wrote: »

Bad pint, Probably the fourteenth

He wasn't sure about the first one and had to check the rest to be sure

tractorporn

Who2 wrote:

I don’t know whether it’s this thread or the feed of drink I took last nite but it’s bloody depressing.

Not so much on here but on Twitter the vegans have such a hard on for the #Februdairy hashtag that it is actually depressing.

I actually think that we are playing right into their hands as they seem to get their kicks from winding up farmer with their outlandish claims.

Icelandicseige

Should we be getting worried by the tracktion this vegan thing is getting? It's all over Twitter?

patsy_mccabe

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Should we be getting worried by the tracktion this vegan thing is getting? It's all over Twitter?

It reminds me of the ban hunting campaign in the UK, and look what that achieved.

Lady Haywire

A lot of those Twitter accounts bashing farming appear to be newly set up accounts made purely to attack farmers accounts. There's setting where you can block new followers/tweets/mentions etc from new accounts and accounts with no profile photos etc. Seems to be the thing to do now to avoid abuse!

They're just trying to stir shít at the moment but if we all just ignored it and blocked the stirrers instead of reacting it'd just mean they end up on their own sinking ship.

Genghis Cant

Who2 wrote: »

I don’t know whether it’s this thread or the feed of drink I took last nite but it’s bloody depressing.

Probably the burger you had on the way home.

If you had a tofu burger you'd be right as rain today. And you'd live to be 150. :-)

wrangler

Lady Haywire wrote: »

A lot of those Twitter accounts bashing farming appear to be newly set up accounts made purely to attack farmers accounts. There's setting where you can block new followers/tweets/mentions etc from new accounts and accounts with no profile photos etc. Seems to be the thing to do now to avoid abuse!

They're just trying to stir shít at the moment but if we all just ignored it and blocked the stirrers instead of reacting it'd just mean they end up on their own sinking ship.

I'm not on twitter, but reports I'm getting is that blocking doesn't necessarily keep them out, i'm hearing a lot about what's going on at the moment,
Blocking someone on here doesn't stop them coming in on a quote.....does it

Who2

Genghis Cant wrote: »

Probably the burger you had on the way home.

If you had a tofu burger you'd be right as rain today. And you'd live to be 150. :-)

But I think I had a bag of Peanuts and I’d swear I must have been eating leaves or grass or something with the taste that was in my mouth this morning.

Lady Haywire

wrangler wrote: »

I'm not on twitter, but reports I'm getting is that blocking doesn't necessarily keep them out, i'm hearing a lot about what's going on at the moment,
Blocking someone on here doesn't stop them coming in on a quote.....does it

Dunno, I haven't anyone blocked so never had that issue here.
But it's the reactions from farmers that they seem to revel in so ignoring them (in my opinion anyway) would be the best policy. I'll admit some of them are hard ignored with the crap they spew about. Most of them seem to have watched some horrendous videos on bad farming practices on youtube and have a blind vendetta against all and everyone that works in farming.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Icelandicseige wrote: »

Should we be getting worried by the tracktion this vegan thing is getting? It's all over Twitter?

I was following a discussion on Twitter about #veganuary and someone mentioned that farmers should use a similar hashtag so one of the participants coined #februdairy, most for the craic than anything.

The vegans following, and their 'master accounts', decided to hijack the hashtag and war broke out.

As Lady H put it, it's fairly easy to spot the trolls and some of the comments have been shocking, tbh. I'm assuming some farmers or their supporters may have done the same but I haven't witnessed it.

Here's a nice link that should throw the cat among the pigeons again:)

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/science/plants-consciousness-anesthesia.html?referer=https://t.co/sDPAIoAiVW

So plants have consciousness as well. I foresee some very hungry vegans:pac:

wrangler

Lady Haywire wrote: »

Dunno, I haven't anyone blocked so never had that issue here.
But it's the reactions from farmers that they seem to revel in so ignoring them (in my opinion anyway) would be the best policy. I'll admit some of them are hard ignored with the crap they spew about. Most of them seem to have watched some horrendous videos on bad farming practices on youtube and have a blind vendetta against all and everyone that works in farming.

Unfortunately I've seen some of those videos myself, what those farmers are thinking of to do it ......Like any group there's bad ones too.
I believe that camera phones are the reason that animals must now be able to walk unaided to slaughter

Base price

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

I was following a discussion on Twitter about #veganuary and someone mentioned that farmers should use a similar hashtag so one of the participants coined #februdairy, most for the craic than anything.

The vegans following, and their 'master accounts', decided to hijack the hashtag and war broke out.

As Lady H put it, it's fairly easy to spot the trolls and some of the comments have been shocking, tbh. I'm assuming some farmers or their supporters may have done the same but I haven't witnessed it.

Here's a nice link that should throw the cat among the pigeons again:)

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/science/plants-consciousness-anesthesia.html?referer=https://t.co/sDPAIoAiVW

So plants have consciousness as well. I foresee some very hungry vegans:pac:

There was a programme on the radio a couple of weeks ago, I think it was Moncrieff on Newstalk where he interviewed a Australian scientist who had conducted a study on plants feeling and reacting to pain. They do feel and react to pain but don't squeel. Cannot find the link but maybe someone else heard it.

einn32

Base price wrote: »

There was a programme on the radio a couple of weeks ago, I think it was Moncrieff on Newstalk where he interviewed a Australian scientist who had conducted a study on plants feeling and reacting to pain. They do feel and react to pain but don't squeel. Cannot find the link but maybe someone else heard it.

Yeah I was listening to it. Seems crazy but if true it leafs vegans in somewhat of a pickle...

Buford T. Justice XIX

Thanks for that, I must look that up. I've been following some of the research with the last few years on communication between plants as well. I may have to actually do some work for the next few months instead though:o

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

There was a programme on the radio a couple of weeks ago, I think it was Moncrieff on Newstalk where he interviewed a Australian scientist who had conducted a study on plants feeling and reacting to pain. They do feel and react to pain but don't squeel. Cannot find the link but maybe someone else heard it.

Google it, there's loads, here's one to wet your appetite

https://gizmodo.com/nice-try-vegans-plants-can-actually-hear-themselves-b-1599749162

wrangler

There you are , even rugby supporters are converted.

At the match yesterday
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?attachments/img-20180204-wa0015-jpg.630068/

Base price

wrangler wrote: »

There you are , even rugby supporters are converted.

At the match yesterday
https://thefarmingforum.co.uk/index.php?attachments/img-20180204-wa0015-jpg.630068/

Cannot view as you have to be a member.
I heard recently that Guinness has stopped using isinglass in some of their products due to pressure from veggies and vegans.

wrangler

Base price wrote: »

Cannot view as you have to be a member.
I heard recently that Guinness has stopped using isinglass in some of their products due to pressure from veggies and vegans.

A big electric sign at the english match yesterday

''Dairy takes babies'' and ''Go vegan''

Very good forum, well worth being a member

gozunda

How many here have seen the home grown Anti farming vegan sponsored billboards erected around the country in the last couple of years?

I've been following the growth of this lot on social media. Afaik it's an extreme vegan (sponsored by an American vegan fund) attempting to villify farming and promote a vegan only lifestyle with the end result of banning all forms of animal ownsrship whether that is farming / pets etc

In the UK extreme vegans have led the charge in the so called animal 'rights' movement (and not animal welfare). It is of note that some of these individuals are now living in Ireland after the UK authorities had cracked down on there activities there.

In the UK many extreme vegans have been responsible for the mobilisation of the 'anti cruelty' social media movement - who have notably targeted hunting as a soft underbelly to promote their cause.

Using such propaganda in the UK - these groups have managed to mobilise thousands to their side where many have become radicalized to the extent that even where fox hunting no longer takes place in the UK - the self same people who are now attacking trail hunting on the basis that they might just come across a fox' yada yada and farming as cruel and by their beliefs an unnecessary activity.

One prominent extreme vegan who was jailed for conspiracy with a group who it was believed planned attacks on research facilities in the UK is now an established academic having gained qualification post incarceration. He remains one of the deep thinkers of this movement and is influential in various 'anti-cruelty groups here.

What is interesting is that a quick check of many of these groups shows that the same extreme 'vegans' are backing many of these groups online.

One of the most high profile groups here promote various types of propaganda against the greyhound and racing industry. Their attacks on hunting interestingly seeks support from the farming community here - the same farmers who the self same extreme vegans would also like to put out of business. The website encourages people as part of the 'anti-cruelty' movement to write to their TDs the government and to stop the social activities of those engaged in racing greyhounds hunting etc and to get all these activities made illegal and legislated against.

Don't underestimate these frackers ... give them an inch and they will take a mile.