Insanely high delivery charges on new Nissans

iomusicdublin

Who can do an investigation on outrageous delivery charges.

Nissan are charging €1,100 delivery on a new base model Micra.

The car is

€15,270 on scrappage incl. delivery of €1,110 and metallic of €650,

or

€16,200 cash incl. delivery of €1,110 and metallic of €650,

That is approx 7-8% of the car's cost.

Are there any companies that are worse than this?

wonski

iomusicdublin wrote: »

Who can do an investigation on outrageous delivery charges.

Nissan are charging €1,100 delivery on a new base model Micra.

The car is

€15,270 on scrappage incl. delivery of €1,110 and metallic of €650,

or

€16,200 cash incl. delivery of €1,110 and metallic of €650,

That is approx 7-8% of the car's cost.

Are there any companies that are worse than this?

The total price includes delivery, I can't see nothing outrageous here tbh.

I would always look at the final price rather than the breakdown of charges.

This is a deciding factor for the end customer.

Cee-Jay-Cee

€16200 isn’t a bad price for a new Micra. It would probably be better for Nissan if they upped the price if the car by €500 and reduced delivery by €500. It’s a paper exercise at the end of the day and the final price is the only one that matters.

colm_mcm

wonski wrote: »

The total price includes delivery, I can't see nothing outrageous here tbh.

I would always look at the final price rather than the breakdown of charges.

This is a deciding factor for the end customer.

Yes but they’re advertising that car as x price plus delivery.
There’s no other reason other than the dealers wanting to make more money. They’re free to charge chat they want but yeah it’s a bit of a swizz.

wonski

colm_mcm wrote: »

Yes but they’re advertising that car as x price plus delivery.
There’s no other reason other than the dealers wanting to make more money. They’re free to charge chat they want but yeah it’s a bit of a swizz.

The OP posted prices including delivery.

I thought he was looking at it this way, not that they advertise it without adding the delivery charge.

While I get what you are saying, being a customer I always look at the total price when making a decision rather than separate charges.

This is all that matters, be it a car, a TV or car insurance.

road_high

Explains why their new prices are so competitive so.

Toyotafanboi

Is €1000 actually insane for delivery?

What does that cover? Unloading at the docks, storage, transport to dealer, PDI, valet, plates, mats and dealer tat?

I'd say the €1k just about covers it. What does one space on a transporter truck cost these days?

Salesman is paying around €100 for a PDI, same again for mats, plates and dealer tat, now were at €800. Say €50 for the cleaning of the car. €750. Could unloading a car from a ship, storing it and then transporting it to a dealer cost €750 ish? I don't honestly know but I'd say it could.

colm_mcm

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is €1000 actually insane for delivery?

What does that cover? Unloading at the docks, storage, transport to dealer, PDI, valet, plates, mats and dealer tat?

I'd say the €1k just about covers it. What does one space on a transporter truck cost these days?

Salesman is paying around €100 for a PDI, same again for mats, plates and dealer tat, now were at €800. Say €50 for the cleaning of the car. €750. Could unloading a car from a ship, storing it and then transporting it to a dealer cost €750 ish? I don't honestly know but I'd say it could.

IIRC delivery wasn’t actually separately charged for from the distributor when I was selling new cars.


PDI costs the garage nowhere near €100, you’ll know this, manufacturers mats aren’t just given out willy nilly. Dealer tat should be coming from marketing budget. Cleaning on a new car isn’t extensive as panels are often covered in plastic. Nowhere as extensive as prepping a used car.

When some brands can do delivery for less than €400, you know €1000 is just taking the mick. It’s the brands that are always doing scrappage deals usually. Dealer just wants to make decent money on these deals.

Henry Ford III

€650 delivery for my new 181 Ford.

EPAndlee

I don't see anything wrong with charging €1000 for it. There's a fair amount of work in getting the car from the manufacturer to the customer

Allinall

I would have thought it would cost the same for delivery of a 16k car as a 100k car, so quoting the delivery cost as a percentage is pointless .

colm_mcm

EPAndlee wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with charging €1000 for it. There's a fair amount of work in getting the car from the manufacturer to the customer

It really isn’t that much work. There’s more work in prepping a €10000 used car for sale.
The point is that the dealer already is making a margin on the car even at the ex works price. These inflated charges are just a means of making a decent margin on scrappage deals.

Heres Johnny

I'll just echo that it doesn't matter what the dealer is making.

If you look at a car and it's 16000 and you're happy with that and it's a good price relative to the the alternatives, what the profit margin to the dealer, distributor, manufacturer shouldn't matter a toss.

If you're happy with the price you're happy with the price. It must be just a legal requirement to show delivery charges.

It's like Ryanair, they phases everyone off with listing charges separately, even though they flew you across Europe for 80 quid when others were prohibitively expensive.

ba_barabus

Dacia Sanderos all round is my advice

Rusky rusky

VW charges €775

wonski

colm_mcm wrote: »

It really isn’t that much work. There’s more work in prepping a €10000 used car for sale.
The point is that the dealer already is making a margin on the car even at the ex works price. These inflated charges are just a means of making a decent margin on scrappage deals.

10k car will get a car wash and maybe, just maybe a vacuum.

Nowhere near going on a boat for a day and being trailered on and off few times while being covered with whatever protection is used and then disposed off.

Before that the dealer will have to make sure to pay peanuts to the original owner when taking in the 10k car in.

They will delete check engine light if needed, though

colm_mcm

The boat part is nothing to do with the delivery charge

irisheddie85

I've never understood why there is a delivery charge on a new car. If I'm buying a new fridge in a shop I can pick it up there myself or pay a delivery charge to have it delivered to my house. The cost of getting the item to the shop is covered in the price on the shop floor. Why isn't it the same for cars? If the dealer is adding things to the car that don't come with the car then charge for those actual things don't call it a delivery charge.

colm_mcm

The defence used before was that the delivery charge was exempt from VRT and it was an nice little dodge.

wonski

colm_mcm wrote: »

The defence used before was that the delivery charge was exempt from VRT and it was an nice little dodge.

That's funny, because on all other items the shipping is added for vat, yet they scrapped it for vrt calculation for cars..

Reminds me of ebay listings with shipping cost exceeding the items value by 50 euro

Widdensushi

colm_mcm wrote: »

The defence used before was that the delivery charge was exempt from VRT and it was an nice little dodge.

I believe that is the case

irisheddie85

colm_mcm wrote: »

The defence used before was that the delivery charge was exempt from VRT and it was an nice little dodge.

Time to pull the eBay trick. Car costs €1000 delivery charge is €20,000.

_Brian

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Is €1000 actually insane for delivery?

What does that cover? Unloading at the docks, storage, transport to dealer, PDI, valet, plates, mats and dealer tat?

I'd say the €1k just about covers it. What does one space on a transporter truck cost these days?

Salesman is paying around €100 for a PDI, same again for mats, plates and dealer tat, now were at €800. Say €50 for the cleaning of the car. €750. Could unloading a car from a ship, storing it and then transporting it to a dealer cost €750 ish? I don't honestly know but I'd say it could.

His whole delivery malarkey piisses me off.

If I go into Tesco and buy a loaf of Bread they don’t try Stab me with the price of bringing the bread from the factory.

It’s a joke, it’s just to be able to say the car is €1k cheaper than it actually is. It’s not like I can go collect it myself and save the delivery charge.

EPAndlee

_Brian wrote: »

His whole delivery malarkey piisses me off.

If I go into Tesco and buy a loaf of Bread they don’t try Stab me with the price of bringing the bread from the factory.

It’s a joke, it’s just to be able to say the car is €1k cheaper than it actually is. It’s not like I can go collect it myself and save the delivery charge.

Yes but when a loaf of bread is delivered to the shop it's ready to eat but when a new car is delivered to the dealer you can't just drive out the gate in it

lalababa

EPAndlee wrote: »

Yes but when a loaf of bread is delivered to the shop it's ready to eat but when a new car is delivered to the dealer you can't just drive out the gate in it

The bread has to be forklifted off truck , unpacked from the pallet, trolleyed to the aisle, placed on the shelf in an attractive position. So you are talking bollocks mate.

road_high

EPAndlee wrote: »

Yes but when a loaf of bread is delivered to the shop it's ready to eat but when a new car is delivered to the dealer you can't just drive out the gate in it

Well the loaf of bread has to be unloaded, packed onto the shelf. What is so exhausting and worthy of €1000 performed in the dealership?
Concur with other posters, it’s a sneaky little (big) surcharge that’s always been slapped on and no one seems quite sure why. Tellingly cars like Nissan with very competitive new prices have very high delivery charges. Go Figure

Toyotafanboi

colm_mcm wrote: »

PDI costs the garage nowhere near €100, you’ll know this, manufacturers mats aren’t just given out willy nilly. Dealer tat should be coming from marketing budget. Cleaning on a new car isn’t extensive as panels are often covered in plastic. Nowhere as extensive as prepping a used car.

I suppose it varies dealer to dealer. Place I'm with at the moment charges sales an hours labour for a PDI and every single car gets fitted mats. Cleaning of course isnt huge on new cars but they do get cleaned and whether directly or indirectly the cost of cleaning is cost that sales pays that they have to cover from somewhere.

bodonnell

Was recently in a Hyundai dealership, a new Tucson Executive is €30,995 on the hyundai website. Dealer is asking €33,150, probably 500 less if you go for non metallic but still a big markup.

Stallingrad

Delivery charges are a fooking disgrace, and just a way to make the sticker price look lower than it is. I don't know how dealers get away with it.

When I buy my bananas I don't care or want to know what ship they came on, who cleaned them and brought them to the shop.

Just build it into the price an be done with it!

5500

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Could unloading a car from a ship, storing it and then transporting it to a dealer cost €750 ish? I don't honestly know but I'd say it could.

NVD were charging me €75 + vat for transport from the docks to my door (dublin/dublin) and stevedore fees €90 Inc vat for unloading and 7 days storage (Price reduced if more than 1 car, 150 for 2 at a time) That was only moving minimal amounts aswell, so I'd say dealers are getting better prices again with what they would be pushing through.

iomusicdublin

The car is listed at €16,650 mrp on all their advertising.

With delivery and metallic it is €18,270

delivery of €1,110

and

metallic of €650

ted1

EPAndlee wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with charging €1000 for it. There's a fair amount of work in getting the car from the manufacturer to the customer

The dealer is getting his markup.

At this point I have to ask
Why bother with a dealer at all? Is the model not out dated. If they don’t have what you want in stick they take your money , order it online and charge a premium for doing this

Avatar MIA

OP, buy a Porsche 911 and the delivery charge will be less than 1%. Problem solved.

A micra will take up the space of one car, but I do think €1,100 is saucy - but not much in the scheme of things, but metallic usually costs around that.

deathtocaptcha

Out of curiosity, is it legal to collect a car yourself to avoid delivery charge?

GarIT

IMO it should be illegal to advertise a car as anything less than it will cost to drive away in. Separating paint and delivery is ridiculous.

All car ads should be required to show the price of the model shown in the largest font of the ad and can optionally include a from price that is no lower than the total price you can drive the car away for.

My grandparents bought a nearly new Note a month ago and were charged a €75 admin fee for handling the transaction. Can you imagine if tesco added €2 to your receipt for allowing you to pay for what you bought.

Worst of all in the showroom they are showing the new orange and black Micra that they are advertising everywhere as costing €22k when it's actually €24k when you include paint and delivery.