Is SJWism not just a new, rebranded form of sexual puritanism?

paleoperson

So now the Formula 1 grid girls have been scrapped, christ what's next? UFC girls, James Bond girls, everything sexy will be gone. I just saw Bernie Ecclestone on Sky News getting roasted for daring to say that the country is getting a bit prudish. The Sky news anchor asked him about the short skirts and he said what short skirts, and she said "look at our clips, you wouldn't see that in Arab countries would you?"... with no discernable irony in her voice.

SJWism has basically come full circle, back to the very thing those same people despised so much - sexual repression and strictness. It's now just a rebranded sexual puritanism, along the lines of strict Islam or old Catholicism. It's funny how she straight out came out and accidentally admitted she wanted to be more like Arab countries.

While Harvey Weinstein's behaviour shocked most people, there's been a bunch of people coming out with allegations of other grossly inappropriate behaviour in Hollywood and beyond for far less reason, for example James Franco is now being accused of "sexual abuse" by trying to get women to perform in sexual film roles: https://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/james-franco-talks-sexual-misconduct-allegations-on-colbert-w515270

Women might feel pressurized to take part in a sexual scene to maximize their earning potential and career. Big whoop? If they want to perform in one they can... males don't even get the chance to be sexual most of the time. Nobody said life was fair, for either men or women.

http://thefederalist.com/2018/01/12/james-franco-entertainment-needs-new-rules-sex-scenes/

Cee-Jay-Cee

Its a complete crock of shíte. None of those girls were forced to parade on the pit lane, they were all willing participants and well paid for the job they done. This stupid shíte has to stop and yet again no one person or group has been highlighted as the source of the outrage that spurned this move. No one actually cares, its a ridiculous situation dreamed up by the media as a whole.

freshpopcorn

Loose women will be called Loose Beings!

DEFTLEFTHAND

The PDC darts women have also been shelved.

The main model has been doing it for over 5 years. She's really upset about it, she has been put of a job.


Surely free will and personal choice have to be considered, imposing blanket bans on this type of thing is weird.

Jerichoholic

The church were doing this 20 years ago, now they don't have to.

Herb Powell

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

suicide_circus

Oh you better believe it. The new tyranny will be every bit as oppressive as the old. It also takes away choice. Presumably these women chose of their own free will a career of looking pretty in mini skirts and getting a slice of the jetset formula one lifestyle. The priesthood and their doctrine of victimhood do not approve.

jacksie66

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DavidLyons_

Herb Powell wrote: »

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Sorry Herb, I may be missing something but I've read that several times and cannot work out what it means.

pjohnson

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'd I had a body like those models I'd want to show it off, unfortunately I'm a 30 year old 6ft 2 bearded buy with a gut..

You will be a model soon for lingerie I'd say. Victoria Secret Models will be outlawed soon. This will be our time to sign jacksie!

Badly Drunk Boy

Herb Powell wrote: »

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

I know all of those words, yet the meaning of the sentence eludes me...

jacksie66

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Badly Drunk Boy

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

I know all of those words, yet the meaning of the sentence eludes me...

I know it's supposed to be nonsense, though.

Beanntraigheach

There's a strangely old-fashioned view of women that's become increasingly prevalent of late too:
delicate, vulnerable, innocent creatures who need constant protection from sex-crazed, bestial men.

It's positively Victorian.

homerjay2005

seen one comment earlier on twitter, which was directed at one of these girls who said that she had been let go by her management company and was now unemployed as all of their business was gone (not just F1, but promotions in general). the man said along the lines of - "it is degrading towards woman, they are being made to feel they are lesser importance and just servents etc etc. "

these girls make their choice to do this. as do men. the world if getting to become a right sh*t place to live.

this isnt SJWism, this is bitter people who are just jealous of better looking woman getting more publicty, money and everything else than them.

just wonder, will they remove for example ballboys at Wimbledon next summer now who "serve" the female players?

Tiercel Dave

Herb Powell wrote: »

Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Whaaaaa?.....

Captain Obvious

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, Formula One decide they no longer want to use random pretty women and people are worried about the tyrannical left coming to take all their sexy things? Where there campaigns against the women being used or something? Sounds like Formula One are simply making changes to their look to appeal to a wider range of people. Is anybody really going to say that this will change their attraction to the sport?

kylith

Jaysus, before long ye won't have any option but to watch the sports!

Grayson

homerjay2005 wrote: »

seen one comment earlier on twitter, which was directed at one of these girls who said that she had been let go by her management company and was now unemployed as all of their business was gone (not just F1, but promotions in general). the man said along the lines of - "it is degrading towards woman, they are being made to feel they are lesser importance and just servents etc etc. "

these girls make their choice to do this. as do men. the world if getting to become a right sh*t place to live.

this isnt SJWism, this is bitter people who are just jealous of better looking woman getting more publicty, money and everything else than them.

just wonder, will they remove for example ballboys at Wimbledon next summer now who "serve" the female players?

Have you considered applying for Katie Hopkins old job?

Grayson

Captain Obvious wrote: »

So, if I'm understanding this correctly, Formula One decide they no longer want to use random pretty women and people are worried about the tyrannical left coming to take all their sexy things? Where there campaigns against the women being used or something? Sounds like Formula One are simply making changes to their look to appeal to a wider range of people. Is anybody really going to say that this will change their attraction to the sport?

Do you have to point out the obvious. ..... Oh wait.

Franz Von Peppercorn

To answer the general thread title rather than the specifics of the original post - yes. This is a sexual counter revolution.

eviltwin

Keep the girls but bring in some boys, everyone is happy then.

Something like this maybe

wexie

eviltwin wrote: »

Keep the girls but bring in some boys, everyone is happy then.

Something like this maybe

nahuh, if you did that you can be guaranteed there'll be someone complaining there are only 'binary genders' represented and you're not being inclusive enough.

um7y1h83ge06nx

I think first world society has definitely gotten more "safe" in the last 10-20 years. Look at the music industry, I can't think of anyone in the charts now as edgy as say Guns N Roses for instance or the grunge/rock bands of the 90s

B.A._Baracus

It's all bs.
It's all social media anyways. Some dopey and foolish 18 year old posts about how something is wrong yadda yadda. His or her little mates like it and share it. Then some news website picks up on it (they need crap to talk about) then suddenly it's a 'thing'.... Take friends being racist as an example.

I never used the term snowflake before but it does describe these knob jockeys. Just give in and end it all if things like friends being racist etc or some ring girl in a thong offends.

The_Valeyard

Id just like to know what the end game for all this is? Someone, somewhere, somehow is making a lot of money out of this

Captain Obvious

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

It's all bs.
It's all social media anyways. Some dopey and foolish 18 year old posts about how something is wrong yadda yadda. His or her little mates like it and share it. Then some news website picks up on it (they need crap to talk about) then suddenly it's a 'thing'.... Take friends being racist as an example.

I never used the term snowflake before but it does describe these knob jockeys. Just give in and end it all if things like friends being racist etc or some ring girl in a thong offends.

Who are you talking about? This seems to be a decision made by the organisation. I didn't hear of any campaign targeting the grid girls.

Omackeral

The bloody definition of a first world problem on display here... and it was never a problem to begin with. The girls add glamour to the sports/events and what of it? It's part of the presentation. They seem to enjoy their work and obviously fans like them too. These kunt nuggets demanding their removal would be better placed fighting for actual causes where people are discriminated against or face authentic hardships, maybe single fathers or something like that. That's not sexy enough though, ironically.

markodaly

The counter culture of the 60's railed against the atomic 'pleasentvile' family. That is now long dead.

I would say since about the year 2000 we have edged back towards the Puritan, paternal society of earlier times. Some people have mentioned that the church used to do this back in the day. The only difference now is that men with a collar have been swapped with some guy with a twitter account who is 'woke' or some woman 'journalist' berating people on TV for daring to think differently.

I am just glad more and more people are now seeing this nonsense for what it is.
Next up for the chop, sexy girls in computer games.

We will be a society of dull colourless and lifeless people ruined by a bunch of insecure idiots.

Captain Obvious

Omackeral wrote: »

These kunt nuggets demanding their removal

Again, who are you talking about? I can't find anything about a campaign to remove grid girls.

markodaly wrote: »

The counter culture of the 60's railed against the atomic 'pleasentvile' family. That is now long dead.

I would say since about the year 2000 we have edged back towards the Puritan, paternal society of earlier times. Some people have mentioned that the church used to do this back in the day. The only difference now is that men with a collar have been swapped with some guy with a twitter account who is 'woke' or some woman 'journalist' berating people on TV for daring to think differently.

I am just glad more and more people are now seeing this nonsense for what it is.
Next up for the chop, sexy girls in computer games.

We will be a society of dull colourless and lifeless people ruined by a bunch of insecure idiots.

Sure games won't even be worth playing without some cleavage. End of the industry. :rolleyes:

B.A._Baracus

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Who are you talking about? This seems to be a decision made by the organisation. I didn't hear of any campaign targeting the grid girls.

You are reading the thread yeah?

Edit
Here he comes to save the day...... It's sjw time baybee.

Grayson

Do people go out looking for stories like this to get offended. I never hear about them until I see them on boards at which point I see a load of people getting annoyed over some little thing.

Grayson

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

You are reading the thread yeah?

I didn't see anything about it here either. The OP's first post had links about james franco.

nullzero

jacksie66 wrote: »

I'd I had a body like those models I'd want to show it off, unfortunately I'm a 30 year old 6ft 2 bearded buy with a gut..

You should be throwing the darts pal

B.A._Baracus

Grayson wrote: »

I didn't see anything about it here either. The OP's first post had links about james franco.

A nice link for you...

http://www.businessinsider.com/f1-grid-girls-have-lost-their-jobs-but-are-fighting-back-on-twitter-2018-2

Harry Palmr

Worth a read, another example of sleep walking into the new puritanism.

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/jan/31/hylas-and-the-nymphs-jw--waterhouse-why-have-mildly-erotic-nymphs-been-removed-from-a-manchester-gallery-is-picasso-next

In the 60s, 70 and 80s liberals fought the law - Lady Chaterly's Lover, Oh Calcutta, Romans in Britain and so on. Now their "children" are pushing in the other direction.

Captain Obvious

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

You are reading the thread yeah?

Yep. Seems to be a bunch of snowflakes upset they won't see pretty faces when watching sports. Just throw some Pornhub on in the background if you need the fix that bad.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Edit
Here he comes to save the day...... It's sjw time baybee.

Pathetic.

Pherekydes

Beanntraigheach wrote: »

There's a strangely old-fashioned view of women that's become increasingly prevalent of late too:
delicate, vulnerable, innocent creatures who need constant protection from sex-crazed, bestial men.

It's positively Victorian.

What's Victorian is the idea that women are just bimbos and only good for parading the round numbers.

hatrickpatrick

Horseshoe theory is widely regarded as bullsh!t but I'd make an exception when it comes to the alt-right and SJWs. They're terrifyingly similar in their methods and the outcomes of what they pedal if they got their way in law - even though their driving ideology is diametrically opposed.

Captain Obvious

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

A nice link for you...

http://www.businessinsider.com/f1-grid-girls-have-lost-their-jobs-but-are-fighting-back-on-twitter-2018-2

Again, nothing about a campaign against the grid girls. What it says is

commercial operations director Sean Bratches said the custom of using grid girls "does not resonate with [the] brand values [of F1] and clearly is at odds with modern day societal norms." "We don’t believe the practice is appropriate or relevant to Formula 1 and its fans, old and new, across the world," he added.

So basically they've done their market research and come to the conclusion that pretty girls only appeal to a limited part of the market

B.A._Baracus

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Yep. Seems to be a bunch of snowflakes upset they won't see pretty faces when watching sports. Just throw some Pornhub on in the background if you need the fix that bad.



Pathetic.

Oh no. Someone who I've never met has called me pathetic on the Internet what ever will I do? :pac:

cian68

The women involved made the choice to model etc but The Formula 1 and PDC have every right to choose to stop hiring them as well. I don't think its SJW gone mad or anything for them to think 'why are we wasting money on this ****e that adds nothing and makes our product look backwards and small time'

Captain Obvious

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Oh no. Someone who I've never met has called me pathetic on the Internet what ever will I do? :pac:

No need to get offended. I didn't call you pathetic, just your comment.

B.A._Baracus

Captain Obvious wrote: »

No need to get offended. I didn't call you pathetic, just your comment.

Now now. You did call me pathetic lol. At least stay true to what you said.

Also I'm not offended :pac:

hatrickpatrick

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Yep. Seems to be a bunch of snowflakes upset they won't see pretty faces when watching sports. Just throw some Pornhub on in the background if you need the fix that bad.

That isn't what this is about, and I'm pretty sure you know that. It's about (a) people pressuring media companies to change their content purely based on offended sensibilities, and (b) media companies caving in to this pressure. A lot of us fundamentally believe that this is bad for society. The content is irrelevant, it's the principle of both the desire these people have to control it, and the willingness to let these people control it.

Too Tough To Die

Marshall Careful Gumbo wrote: »

I think first world society has definitely gotten more "safe" in the last 10-20 years. Look at the music industry, I can't think of anyone in the charts now as edgy as say Guns N Roses for instance or the grunge/rock bands of the 90s

I was thinking the same when i saw this. Imagine Axl Rose posting a tearful apology online. It's a damn shame.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmmeaeG2drA

Pat Mustard

Marshall Careful Gumbo wrote: »

I think first world society has definitely gotten more "safe" in the last 10-20 years. Look at the music industry, I can't think of anyone in the charts now as edgy as say Guns N Roses for instance or the grunge/rock bands of the 90s

Absolutely agree.

And comedy has moved towards the like of Michael McEntyre. I still think that he is kind of funny but there's no edge to it. It's 'safe'.

David McSavage is an exception these days and he is not everyone's cup of tea by a long shot.

Captain Obvious

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Now now. You did call me pathetic lol. At least stay true to what you said.

As the person who actually wrote the comment I think I'm in a bette rposition to say what I was referring to.

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Also I'm not offended :pac:

Yes you are. You're offended that Formula One no longer shares your vision of what the sport should be. They've decided to focus on the cars, you want pretty women.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That isn't what this is about, and I'm pretty sure you know that. It's about (a) people pressuring media companies to change their content purely based on offended sensibilities, and (b) media companies caving in to this pressure. A lot of us fundamentally believe that this is bad for society. The content is irrelevant, it's the principle of both the desire these people have to control it, and the willingness to let these people control it.

Except nobody has been able to produce any evidence of pressure involved in this decision. The people who made the decision themselves have said it's to do with improving the brand. The fact of the matter is that pretty girls in sports don't really attract women or families and in many cases can put them off. And in a society where you have HD porn at the click of a button are these pretty girls even that much of a draw to men?

paleoperson

Grayson wrote: »

Do people go out looking for stories like this to get offended. I never hear about them until I see them on boards at which point I see a load of people getting annoyed over some little thing.

How could you never hear about them? Everything I was talking about there was on Sky News today alone. I go out of my way to try to ignore them, but today was the final straw.

Pherekydes wrote: »

What's Victorian is the idea that women are just bimbos and only good for parading the round numbers.

What are you talking about? That's not Victorian at all, that is the exact opposite of everything Victorian is considered to be.

suicide_circus

What about a woman's right to be a bimbo?

#right2choose

markodaly

Captain Obvious wrote: »

Sure games won't even be worth playing without some cleavage. End of the industry. :rolleyes:

I dont play video games but it reeks of the same type of moral panic we saw from evangelicals in the 1990's

Put it this way. Look at this video from 1995, see what Marilyn Manson has to say about Suicide and Rape. Now you would never ever have someone say something like this, as it would be too offensive. The youth of today would probably have some type of nervous breakdown if someone spoke the way he did. Back then the youth had an edge, some real emotions. Now everything is sanitised to the hilt and the twitter mob comes after anyone and everyone.

We have some more freedoms now, especially for gays and the like but we have also lost out on many things especially on the way we express ourselves. It is no wonder people are so depressed.