Disclosures Tribunal

Victor

Is it OK to discuss the Disclosures Tribunal here? It's a tangental matter, not the direct focus of the tribunal or the principal parties. EDIT: the risk is that the discussion would expand.

Marcusm

Victor wrote: »

Is it OK to discuss the Disclosures Tribunal here? It's a tangental matter, not the direct focus of the tribunal or the principal parties. EDIT: the risk is that the discussion would expand.

Why could it not be discussed; no jury so no one to influence!

nuac

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Discuss away, for now. Be careful.

Mr. Incognito

Its a public hearing

I think it should be okay to discuss surely

Reporting on priviledged proceedings attract priviledge in any event

I would love a condenses centralised synopsis of the whole affair.

So far as I can tell.

Guerin Report 6 May 2014
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B2B2HUQaR5vwQ290UU5rNHJ2QWIyMEsxUVprSldVMVRySjB3/view

(Has since been removed from Government Website but link above)

This set out complaints of Mr McCabe of incidents in 2007 and further that he was investigated and discipline procedures were opened against him for the loss of evidence in 2013 in a case he was not working on.

The report recommended further investigation

The O Higgins Commission was set up in February 2015 to investigage these incidents

http://www.justice.ie/en/JELR/Pages/the_ohiggins_commission_of_investigation

It reported on 25th April 2016

Now we have the Disclosures Tribunal

I've read the Reports but it appears that a number of failings of citizens have been identified and it is being portrayed in the media as a matter regarding McCabe?

Victor

Two things:

1. It is reported that counsel asked former Commissioner O'Sullivan for instructions directly / via other gardaí. Should the instructions have come via a solicitor?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-acted-on-legal-advice-when-i-challenged-mccabes-credibility-osullivan-tells-disclosures-tribunal-36517095.html

It has heard evidence that barristers representing Ms O’Sullivan sought her permission to query Sgt McCabe’s motivation and credibility after they received a background briefing at a legal consultation meeting on May 11, 2015.

I've seen other quotes of this and none mentions a solicitor.

2. Are some of the solicitors and barristers in previous matters, witnesses at the tribunal?

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Marcusm wrote: »

Why could it not be discussed; no jury so no one to influence!

It's a quasi-judicial hearing (indeed heard by a judge) that may have serious implications and people might come out with all sorts of comments and allegations.

ohnonotgmail

Victor wrote: »

Two things:

1. It is reported that counsel asked former Commissioner O'Sullivan for instructions directly / via other gardaí. Should the instructions have come via a solicitor?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/i-acted-on-legal-advice-when-i-challenged-mccabes-credibility-osullivan-tells-disclosures-tribunal-36517095.html I've seen other quotes of this and none mentions a solicitor.

2. Are some of the solicitors and barristers in previous matters, witnesses at the tribunal?

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It's a quasi-judicial hearing (indeed heard by a judge) that may have serious implications and people might come out with all sorts of comments and allegations.

from reading the independent today a barrister (or barristers) who incorrectly drafted a letter around alleged complaints have been called as witness(es).

Fred Swanson

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Muahahaha

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I am not sure but I think not, only on the basis that the McCabe side does not appear to be calling Colm Smyth SC or any of the counsel who advised OSullivan to attack McCabes integrity at the OHiggins hearings. If they could call Colm Smyth then he could give evidence to the contrary of what OSullivan is making out to be the case, i.e. it was the barristers who made me do it

Carawaystick

In a he said/she said case where a client gives testimony directly opposing what a barrister has stated to a say a commission of investigation on their behalf, and the client does not make a formal complaint to the Bar, can a tribunal infer things from such a decision by the client?


Re Victors statement about "people might come out with all sorts of comments and allegations", Didn't Kevin Lynch do that in Tralee and there was no sanction...

NUTLEY BOY

Carawaystick wrote: »

SNIP SNIP

Re Victors statement about "people might come out with all sorts of comments and allegations", Didn't Kevin Lynch do that in Tralee and there was no sanction...

Mr. Justice Lynch - Privilege ?

NUTLEY BOY

I now miss Vincent Browne especially when he was on RTE Radio 1 during week nights. Was it not on his programme, years ago, that they did re-enactments - as distinct from dramatisations - of tribunal sessions ? That gave you a good flavour of what was going on and who was saying what.

I did see a limited effort in similar vein last night on Primetime but it just wasn't the same. That said, there must be scope for imaginative reportage as you can avoid the boring bits and focus on what is relevant......

Marcusm

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Three of the barristers who represented O'SUllivan and the other senior gardai are scheduled to appear.