Landlord and fake receipt

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Long story short I am leaving tenancy. Landlord has given me deposit but has asked for 180 to buy a small fridge I broke I admit I broke it but it is a very old fridge landlord said fridge only 2 years old I was not convinced so asked to see receipt which he gave to me. Not a proper receipt so went to electrical shop and they stated they have no knowledge of docket and they have never sold that brand. I told landlord this and he denies any wrong doing and got very aggressive
I am leaving next weekend anyway
Is what he has done above illegal
What are my options here
I was going to offer 100 before the above scam by him should I Still do this

Thanks

99 Bortles of Beer

If the fridge is only 2 years old - find the make and model and see what price it is selling for elsewhere. If it is less than 180, tell the landlord you will replace it yourself?

Bob24

What’s the the brand/model of the fridge? In what way did you break it?

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Bob24 wrote: »

What’s the the brand/model of the fridge? In what way did you break it?

Thanks for reply
Beko gr821 under counter fridge
When I moved in it stopped working so I just bought a new larger one forgot to say it to landlord about this we have not met much

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99 Bortles of Beer wrote: »

If the fridge is only 2 years old - find the make and model and see what price it is selling for elsewhere. If it is less than 180, tell the landlord you will replace it yourself?

Beko gr 821. I cannot find any info on this which makes me think it is ancient

whoopsadoodles

It stopped working or you broke It?

hawkelady

offer to replace the same unit if its under 180.. if its more than 180, just give it to him .

It comes across you want to give him nothing with this talk of fake receipts etc, you admit yourself you broke the fridge so I'm not sure what you're giving out about

K.Flyer

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

Thanks for reply
Beko gr821 under counter fridge
When I moved in it stopped working so I just bought a new larger one forgot to say it to landlord about this we have not met much

Why did you not say it to him when it stopped working??
So the fridge stopped working, you replaced it with a new one.
Where is the problem, unless the new one is not working now or are you taking it with you?

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whoopsadoodles wrote: »

It stopped working or you broke It?

How could I break a fridge. It stopped working.

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K.Flyer wrote: »

Why did you not say it to him when it stopped working??
So the fridge stopped working, you replaced it with a new one.
Where is the problem, unless the new one is not working now or are you taking it with you?

The new is mine it is a nice one. If I said it to him he would have got a small one again that was no use to me. Either way he has to get a fridge then or now

Gatling

Your looking at a similar price for the same brand and item any way

godtabh

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

How could I break a fridge. It stopped working.

I broke I admit I broke it

o1s1n

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

How could I break a fridge. It stopped working.

Why would you pay for something you didn't break?

If you rent a place and something breaks of its own accord you tell the landlord and they replace it for you.

I wouldn't be paying him to replace the fridge.

whoopsadoodles

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

How could I break a fridge. It stopped working.

You said in your OP That you broke It

If it just "stopped working" you should have contacted your landlord at the time and had it replaced or repaired. You've really lost your rights here as a result. Buy a second hand under counter fridge and that should be the end of it.

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hawkelady wrote: »

offer to replace the same unit if its under 180.. if its more than 180, just give it to him .

It comes across you want to give him nothing with this talk of fake receipts etc, you admit yourself you broke the fridge so I'm not sure what you're giving out about

Why should pay 180 to replace an old fridge I said this to him he said it was not old and tried to pull a quick one by producing a fake receipt
What don’t you get

hawkelady

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

How could I break a fridge. It stopped working.

In your opening post you say "I admit I broke it".. why are you deviating from that now? as another poster suggested, just eave the fridge you bought when it 2stopped working" If that is the case, you should have informed the landlord about it and he would have had to replace it....but the way you've went about it, you owe the landlord a fridge.. btw, I don't believe for one second the fridge stopped working,, if you didn't break it there is no way you would type "I admit I broke it" the landlord isn't unreasonable at all,

TheAnalyst_

Ask for your full deposit back and don't give him a chance to mess about.

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To be clear I did not break it when I said I admit it I meant as in I felt responsibility for not telling him

Gatling

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Ask for your full deposit back and don't give him a chance to mess about.

Minus anything after saying he broke the fridge ?

TheAnalyst_

Old ****e fridges are worth nothing. 
https://www.donedeal.ie/kitchenappliances-for-sale/free-beko-fridge-freezer/17755979

K.Flyer

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

How could I break a fridge. It stopped working.

But in your first post you said..

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

Landlord has given me deposit but has asked for 180 to buy a small fridge I broke I admit I broke it but it is a very old fridge.

If thats the case, the mistake you made is that you did not tell him immediately when it happened.
If you did break it then you have to pay for it. If you remember the make and model go and get him a new one yourself if you feel better about it doing it that way.

hawkelady

just buy him an under counter fridge and that's it.. I'm not sure why you feel you should leave the property minus a fridge....please don't listen to advice saying you should ask for your full deposit back , once you've replaced the fridge I'm sure your full deposit will be returned

whoopsadoodles

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

To be clear I did not break it when I said I admit it I meant as in I felt responsibility for not telling him

Grand. You've taken responsibility for not informing him as set out in your tenant responsibilities. Had you done so he would have had to replace the fridge at the time. You didn't though. And so there should be a working fridge in place of the one you broke and admit you broke "

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

I broke I admit I broke it

.

What will happen is that the landlord will buy a old fridge. He won't have to provide proof of the age of the new fridge, just proof he had to buy a new one as you returned the old one to him broken. The easier thing for you to do is find a fridge you're happy with the price of and buy it.

TheAnalyst_

The landlord has likely committed a criminal offence. This might soften his cough.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/50/section/10/enacted/en/html#sec10

10.—(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he or she dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another—

(a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any document made or required for any accounting purpose,

(b) fails to make or complete any account or any such document, or

(c) in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such document, which to his or her knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular.

(2) For the purposes of this section a person shall be treated as falsifying an account or other document if he or she—

(a) makes or concurs in making therein an entry which is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular, or

(b) omits or concurs in omitting a material particular therefrom.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.

duffman13

The landlord is missing his fridge and has to replace it. Why not get a similar same model replacement and let that be the end. Either that or give him the money or he will just take it from your deposit

TheAnalyst_

duffman13 wrote: »

The landlord is missing his fridge and has to replace it. Why not get a similar same model replacement and let that be the end. Either that or give him the money or he will just take it from your deposit

What is wrong with some of you. You'll willlingly bend over and taking anything like a good little serf.

He didn't break any fridge. The landlord supplied a heap of junk because he's a typical slumlord that only wants to save a few euro. The fridge broke down and the tenant didn't bother telling him. So what. He does not owe him anything. 

Get the gardai involved and also the prtb if the deposit isn't returned. Don't be a coward.

Skedaddle

€180 for a fridge is bargain basement cheap stuff.
Whatever about your liability, that's not expensive for a fridge.

Gatling

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The landlord has likely committed a criminal offence. This might soften his cough.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/50/section/10/enacted/en/html#sec10

10.—(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he or she dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another—

(a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any document made or required for any accounting purpose,

(b) fails to make or complete any account or any such document, or

(c) in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such document, which to his or her knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular.

(2) For the purposes of this section a person shall be treated as falsifying an account or other document if he or she—

(a) makes or concurs in making therein an entry which is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular, or

(b) omits or concurs in omitting a material particular therefrom.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.

So the op states he broke an appliance yes and your claim is the landlord is breaking the law by asking for it to be replaced

Gatling

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

What is wrong with some of you. You'll willlingly bend over and taking anything like a good little serf.

He didn't break any fridge. The landlord supplied a heap of junk because he's a typical slumlord that only wants to save a few euro. The fridge broke down and the tenant didn't bother telling him. So what. He does not owe him anything. 

Get the gardai involved and also the prtb if the deposit isn't returned. Don't be a coward.

This is just trolling now

hawkelady

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The landlord has likely committed a criminal offence. This might soften his cough.
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2001/act/50/section/10/enacted/en/html#sec10

10.—(1) A person is guilty of an offence if he or she dishonestly, with the intention of making a gain for himself or herself or another, or of causing loss to another—

(a) destroys, defaces, conceals or falsifies any account or any document made or required for any accounting purpose,

(b) fails to make or complete any account or any such document, or

(c) in furnishing information for any purpose produces or makes use of any account, or any such document, which to his or her knowledge is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular.

(2) For the purposes of this section a person shall be treated as falsifying an account or other document if he or she—

(a) makes or concurs in making therein an entry which is or may be misleading, false or deceptive in a material particular, or

(b) omits or concurs in omitting a material particular therefrom.

(3) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on conviction on indictment to a fine or imprisonment for a term not exceeding 10 years or both.

And here we are...... it didn't take long to go full nuclear here.. mentions of RTB and compensation will be next!!!! Good god calm down with musing of criminal activity etc..

OP just buy an under counter fridge and that will be that, youll get your deposit and a good reference and move on...

"criminal activity" jesus wept

TheAnalyst_

He falsified a receipt to make a financial gain.

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K.Flyer wrote: »

But in your first post you said..



If thats the case, the mistake you made is that you did not tell him immediately when it happened.
If you did break it then you have to pay for it. If you remember the make and model go and get him a new one yourself if you feel better about it doing it that way.

Yes on not telling him he tells me If I told him there was a warranty but now warranty gone I said the fridge looked very old. He than produces a fake receipt dated 2016. This part is true
I wad going to offer the 100 but I am now raging about him trying to pull a quick one

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TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

He falsified a receipt to make a financial gain.

That really annoys me but is true
I have given him just over 12 k rent and then he does that

Gatling

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

That really annoys me but is true
I have given him just over 12 k rent and then he does that

You broke the fridge and kept stum till you decide you want your full deposit back minus any reductions

TheAnalyst_

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

He falsified a receipt to make a financial gain.

That really annoys me but is true
I have given him  just over 12 k rent and then he does that

Classic irish landlord. They will offer dog**** service and try and do you for a handful of euro. Stand up to him.

Skedaddle

As a matter of interest, what did you do to break the fridge?
Normal wear and tear and usage is not subject to withholding deposits and appliances do wear out and breakdown in normal use.

TheAnalyst_

Skedaddle wrote: »

As a matter of interest, what did you do to break the fridge?
Normal wear and tear and usage is not subject to withholding deposits and appliances do wear out and breakdown in normal use.

He didn't break the fridge.

evolving_doors

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

Long story short I am leaving tenancy. Landlord has given me deposit but has asked for 180 to buy a small fridge I broke I admit I broke it but it is a very old fridge landlord said fridge only 2 years old I was not convinced so asked to see receipt which he gave to me. Not a proper receipt so went to electrical shop and they stated they have no knowledge of docket and they have never sold that brand. I told landlord this and he denies any wrong doing and got very aggressive
I am leaving next weekend anyway
Is what he has done above illegal
What are my options here
I was going to offer 100 before the above scam by him should I Still do this

Thanks

Just leave.

He got you to admit you broke it by not telling him it was broken :rolleyes:
Then tried to deceive you for a second time.

Next thing he'll be asking for the fridge you bought. Or claiming it's his and you stole it.

Get the hell out.
Change your phone number.
Never look back.

TheAnalyst_

hahah sorry I didn't read that part. You already have your deposit. Tell him to **** right off the dirty chancer and forget about it. Don't change your number

CeilingFly

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Get the gardai involved.

Please please please tell me you are just trolling and not seriously saying gardai should be involved.

Seriously

Really

Probably the most stupid comment ever on boards

Maybe you think the op should ring 999 too?

hawkelady

Madelyn Fit Starlet wrote: »

That really annoys me but is true
I have given him just over 12 k rent and then he does that

Why are you so salty??? yes you paid rent, you knew that's the way things go. you also agreed on the amount youd have to pay.. oh, you didn't "give" him 12k. he'd have a mortgage and pay tax etc...

powercity have fridges for 150.. cant see your issue with this... If you leave him with no fridge you wont be getting your full deposit back ..
and that troll asking to call the guards , please this is getting ridiculous

ted1

Depreciation is 12.5% a year after two years the landlord will have depreciated it by 25% off his tax bill.
So for a start the fridge is only worth 75% if it’s original value.

You could get a fridge on adverts for cheap. That’s what you should do.

TheAnalyst_

OP you should go straight to a high end home electronics shop and buy him a decent replacement say a full size Smeg for a grand. Then offer him an extra 500 for all the trouble you caused him. Be very apologetic and deferential and if you're lucky he might give you a reference.

hawkelady

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

hahah sorry I didn't read that part. You already have your deposit. Tell him to **** right off the dirty chancer and forget about it. Don't change your number

minus a good reference !! if the op has his deposit i'd feel sorry for the landlord for being too soft... he 'll know for next time I suppose......
Oh, I really feel sorry for the landlord who has the analyst as a tenant ..christ

TheAnalyst_

hawkelady wrote: »

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

hahah sorry I didn't read that part. You already have your deposit. Tell him to **** right off the dirty chancer and forget about it. Don't change your number

minus a good reference !!   if the op has his deposit i'd feel sorry for the landlord for being too soft... he 'll know for next time I suppose......
Oh, I really feel sorry for the landlord who has the analyst as a tenant ..christ

I was messed around with once and it did not go well for the landlord. Thankfully I had anticipated her shenanigans so I did not pay rent for the last 6 weeks. She started throwing out all sorts of threats but when you have the money in your account you have all the power. I countered with lots of threats myself (police being one) and that shut her up.

hawkelady

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

OP you should go straight to a high end home electronics shop and buy him a decent replacement say a full size Smeg for a grand. Then offer him an extra 500 for all the trouble you caused him. Be very apologetic and deferential and if you're lucky he might give you a reference.

Yes, that's nearly as stupid as telling them to go to the guards!!! you really need a lie down, you're overheating.

Seth Brundle

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

The landlord supplied a heap of junk because he's a typical slumlord that only wants to save a few euro.

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Classic irish landlord. They will offer dog**** service and try and do you for a handful of euro. Stand up to him.

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

Tell him to **** right off the dirty chancer

Jaysus that looks like some chip on your shoulder!

Collie D

Are you going to take the fridge you bought to your new place?

If you broke it, just give him that. You don't have to carry a fridge to your new place (I assume the new place has one), you don't have to pay €180 and the landlord gets a working appliance in his property. Everyone's a winner.

No need to complicate matters with arguments that can be resolved simply with obvious solutions.

If the fridge just broke down then it's obviously not your fault but why did you then replace it yourself rather than telling him?

To be honest whether you broke it or not I think I'd rather just leave the replacement with him instead of being stuck with a fridge I've no use or storage space for.

dubrov

This forum seems to be just full of landlords.

I'd you didn't break the fridge, do not pay anything. It doesn't matter about not reporting it straight away providing it didn't result in any additional damage occurring. If the landlord deducts from your deposit, threaten to go to the RTB and follow through with it if you get no joy.

If you did break it you can :

a) Buy a second hand fridge and replace the broken one

b) Buy a new one. 150 should cover a basic fridge freezer

c) If you are too lazy for the above, just give 180 to the landlord to sort it.

Browney7

OP if you got your full deposit back why are you even posting here?

If the fridge broke whilst in situ, how can any of the landlord centric heads point to how the landlord has suffered a loss here? The only person who was inconvenienced by the OP not notifying the LL of the busted fridge is the OP. LL has saved a number of months where he hasn't had to buy a fridge. He can still get it assessed for repair if it's such a precious fridge...

Provided the OP didn't pull the door off or take a hammer to it, a cheap old sh1tty fridge breaking down is not the responsibility of the OP to replace.

dr.fuzzenstein

TheAnalyst_ wrote: »

I was messed around with once and it did not go well for the landlord. Thankfully I had anticipated her shenanigans so I did not pay rent for the last 6 weeks. She started throwing out all sorts of threats but when you have the money in your account you have all the power. I countered with lots of threats myself (police being one) and that shut her up.

Do you find you have trouble with every single landlord and that they're all assholes?
Well, you know what they say. If everyone you deal with is an asshole, you're the asshole.
If someone like you were my tenant and constantly riding the small print, I'd make sure every tiny letter of the rental contract would be checked and rechecked and triple checked until you moved out with every square inch of the apartment gone over with a magnifying glass.
If you find this is your experience, you know where to find the fault. In the mirror.