Importing a 2nd-hand CPO (Certified Pre-Owned) Tesla from the UK

Gumbo

russelldlee wrote: »

Brilliant! Thanks!

Electric cars used and new BIK exempt up to 50k. Huge incentive.

Check with accountant. There’s something about the original purchase price.
I’m not sure as I’m a private buyer but best to know now rather than after you buy.

bf

BIK is payable on the original price, regardless of what you pay for one now. So say that one was a €100k car new, you would be paying BIK on €50k (€100k less €50k exemption), it won’t be BIK exempt due to buying second hand for under €50k

russelldlee

bf wrote: »

BIK is payable on the original price, regardless of what you pay for one now. So say that one was a €100k car new, you would be paying BIK on €50k (€100k less €50k exemption), it won’t be BIK exempt due to buying second hand for under €50k

Ah damn, missed this fact. Thought OMV meant purchase price.

Guess I'll look at model 3 then.

jordan191

russelldlee wrote: »

Ah damn, missed this fact. Thought OMV meant purchase price.

Guess I'll look at model 3 then.

Yep, the guys are correct about the bike rules, you'd be batter off buying a new model 3, than importing a used S from UK, if its a company car there is also accelerated capital allowance on new evs in Ireland. But the bik would also apply to nearly new model 3s from UK, just has to be 6 mths old and 6000 kms, but be quick as all that will probably change in January with brexit, SR model 3 will have lowest bik rates in Ireland

russelldlee

Hey everyone, has anyone recently purchased a Used Tesla (Directly from Tesla) in the UK and got an updated estimate on costs?

ELM327

You won't get one from the UK now due to the VAT cost.

Best to buy one in Ireland. Like the one in my sig.

russelldlee

Tesla said they would ship the car to Northern Ireland, which I think it means it would avoid VAT.

ELM327

Nope - it is purchased from GB so even if shipped to NI you will still have to pay VAT.
The only way to do it would be to buy an ex-VAT vat qualifying car in the UK (eg at auction or from a company), not from Tesla.

Cheaper to buy here now. Even if you want a newer / lower mile car than mine you'd still be better off buying here (EG the P100DL 7 seater)

russelldlee

OK - thanks for the advice.

The big attraction in buying from Tesla is that getting some comfort around the reliability of the car.

Does anyone have any experience of buying a Used Tesla in Ireland?

garo

Buying Tesla used was attrative until last year. They used to do proper CPO until a few years ago. Then they downgraded to selling used cars- i.e. cars would come with tiny scratch marks etc. but the marks were guaranteed to be under a certain size. Then last year they severely reduced the warranty they were offering so now it's only 1 year and 10,000 miles instead of 2 or even 4 years and 50,000 miles.


With the UK route being closed due to Brexit asking prices have gone up in Ireland but if you keep looking you *can* get a bargain like ELM's car or the 70D at 36k or the 142-D car at 35k+ on donedeal. You will be taking a risk with all the little things that can go wrong in a Tesla (door handles and sunroof mostly as MCU is now covered and you still have the 8 year battery plus drivetrain warranty). But unfortunately there isn't any other option now as Tesla Ireland doesn't sell used very often.

Gumbo

russelldlee wrote: »

Tesla said they would ship the car to Northern Ireland, which I think it means it would avoid VAT.

Irrelevant. It’s still a UK import.

russelldlee wrote: »

OK - thanks for the advice.

The big attraction in buying from Tesla is that getting some comfort around the reliability of the car.

Does anyone have any experience of buying a Used Tesla in Ireland?

Yes, all of us with second hand Tesla’s. What would you like to know?

russelldlee

Thanks for the reply. A few questions then.

- Do you recommend buying direct from a dealer vs private?
- What are the most common faults with Teslas and are they expensive to fix? What is your experience with Tesla Ireland in getting stuff repaired?
- Can you share the best Model S options available on Donedeal at the moment?

Gumbo

russelldlee wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. A few questions then.

- Do you recommend buying direct from a dealer vs private?
- What are the most common faults with Teslas and are they expensive to fix? What is your experience with Tesla Ireland in getting stuff repaired?
- Can you share the best Model S options available on Donedeal at the moment?

1. Depends on your personal level of competence. I don’t buy from a dealer typically unless they have a fair deal going, but I did buy my current Model S from a dealer as they pretty much offered RRP on my i3 at the time. Demand was strong and the cost to change was cheaper than me selling and buying straight out for what I wanted (a Performance Model S).

Private will give you the better deal but some people are afraid to buy private, especially if it’s a mid 30’s car.

2. Model S.
Door Handles. These are covered under a good will scheme now. Buy the parts and Tesla supply the labour. €315 per handle end cost though! All 4 of mine have been replaced under warranty throughout its life so that will stand for the car at sale time.

MCU (main computer). There are covered under warranty though. Mines getting replaced free of charge in the next few weeks by Tesla.

Main Battery.
The early cars can fail. But they have 8 year, unlimited mileage warranty. Mine was replaced free of charger last month by Tesla. My car is a 2014 version. This is another selling point and the new battery should outlast the car based on long term tests online.

General build quality.
Just check the car and make sure everything works.

Cost to fix.
No more exe-endive than any other brand. Bmw, Audi etc
Some things can be done at home, just like any other car.

DoneDeal.
There’s a few good ones, but not many performance models so I wouldn’t be the best to comment on them. I personally will only buy the performance version but that’s personal choice.

ELM327

russelldlee wrote: »

Thanks for the reply. A few questions then.

- Do you recommend buying direct from a dealer vs private?
- What are the most common faults with Teslas and are they expensive to fix? What is your experience with Tesla Ireland in getting stuff repaired?
- Can you share the best Model S options available on Donedeal at the moment?

Generally I would buy from a dealer but as there's no real CPO process anymore and an 8 year warranty on battery/drivetrain, you'll get a better deal buying private


Common faults: MCU1, MCU1, MCU1!! Other niggly trim bits. I had my charge flap fixed under warranty, and paid 140€ for 2 new usb ports. I also had the sunroof fixed due to noise. If you're expecting german fit finish and premium quietness, then get an etron!


Tesla Ireland are lovely people to deal with but inept at doing anything other than offering you coffee, not calling you back, and generally being friendly but gormless.


The best option for an S if you want the cheapest and longest range possible with least to go wrong, is mine. If you want a performance I suggest the gold seven seat P100Dl. My pick is the 2017 X90D thats in Stillorgan motors.


To be honest with you unless you need the range or the hatch back (which we do) then I'd buy a model 3 SR+ new from Tesla direct. (10k more than my S)

unkel

ELM327 wrote: »

To be honest with you unless you need the range or the hatch back (which we do) then I'd buy a model 3 SR+ new from Tesla direct. (10k more than my S)

There's a lot more in favour of the Model S than the range or the hatchback!

Many older cars have air suspension, which is marvelous. The car is also more refined, more comfortable and quieter. And there is the performance, in particular from the P models (I have the same P85 as Gumbo)

Also many of the older cars have a very high spec, like high end stereo, dual chargers for 23kW AC charging (very handy as there are over 1000 of these in Ireland) and free worldwide supercharging for life as well as automatic trunk

The Model S is the daddy, the Model 3 is clearly the cheaper car in every way. That said it's good value brand new for about €46k where as the Model S is an expensive second hand car, pretty much impossible to find even a 7 year old base model for under €30k. The Model 3 for sale today is made in China, which has a better build quality than the older Model S which were made in the USA

Gumbo

ELM327 wrote: »

Generally I would buy from a dealer but as there's no real CPO process anymore and an 8 year warranty on battery/drivetrain, you'll get a better deal buying private


Common faults: MCU1, MCU1, MCU1!! Other niggly trim bits. I had my charge flap fixed under warranty, and paid 140€ for 2 new usb ports. I also had the sunroof fixed due to noise. If you're expecting german fit finish and premium quietness, then get an etron!


Tesla Ireland are lovely people to deal with but inept at doing anything other than offering you coffee, not calling you back, and generally being friendly but gormless.


The best option for an S if you want the cheapest and longest range possible with least to go wrong, is mine. If you want a performance I suggest the gold seven seat P100Dl. My pick is the 2017 X90D thats in Stillorgan motors.


To be honest with you unless you need the range or the hatch back (which we do) then I'd buy a model 3 SR+ new from Tesla direct. (10k more than my S)

The gold P100D was sold the last I seen it.

russelldlee

What would put you off something like this?

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-s/fpa/202102249429187?journey=Search

ELM327

Nothing really. You'd have to get the MCU2 upgrade (or MCU1 fix), but that is a great buy. Arguably at least as good as mine, as it's 2 years older and a nosecone car but has free transferable supercharging.

Worth noting that the 85 packs have been nerfed and charge very slowly now - and it has not been improved with the recent un-nerf the 75 and 90 packs got.

If I wanted a cheap bargain S that's the one I'd buy, and try get him close to 30k.

slave1

That car is the same as mine, it also has premium sound so it's basically fully loaded, you're looking at circa 365kms range in Summer, about 30% less in Winter (untested by me due to lockdown).
The dual chargers are very handy, you will get 23kW off the many 22kW AC chargers up and down the country.
Charging speed may be reduced but you will get a good 90kW+ on High Power chargers if you rock up on a low SOC, it will start off at 113kW and then settled around the 90kW mark for a good while.
Good price, I paid a bit more but mine is a wee bit newer and came with 2.5years Tesla warranty.

Check has the CCS conversion been done, I'd imagine it has but no harm in being sure as you never know.

Doubt you'll get close to €30k but depends on negotiating I suppose

Calahonda52

russelldlee wrote: »

What would put you off something like this?

https://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/tesla/model-s/fpa/202102249429187?journey=Search

The fact its a Tesla

Kramer

unkel wrote: »

The Model S is the daddy, the Model 3 is clearly the cheaper car in every way. That said it's good value brand new for about €46k

Cheapest Model 3 here is a tad under €49k, a non white, €50k :eek:.

My issue with a Model S of that vintage would be the battery/warranty.

+ if you haven't got the cash loans are expensive when not buying from VW or BMW.

+ as a high mileage driver out of warranty scared the bejesus out of me.

What's the cost to replace a Tesla 85 Kwh battery ? does this give you 100% capacity ?

garo

As a 142 you are covered for another year and a half. After that we don't know how much it would cost to replace the battery. A few tens of thousands?

Kramer

Deleted User wrote: »

What's the cost to replace a Tesla 85 Kwh battery ? does this give you 100% capacity ?

No one here has exceeded the 8 year battery warranty yet, but I saw a video where a US car, just days over the 8 years, had its battery fail.

Tesla's only remedy was a full cost replacement at $20k+ :eek:.

He got it shipped to an independent who sorted it for $5k, by snipping out a single cell.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPZeuxSyMQ

unkel reckons Gruber are cowboys & it'd be just a DIY repair on his driveway, couple of hours & an Aldi soldering iron job .

Gumbo

Kramer wrote: »

My issue with a Model S of that vintage would be the battery/warranty.

Most of the early Model S have had their batteries replaced and those that have not, there’s a good chance they won’t need it. The early battery runs may have had issues compared to the newer versions released in late 2014.

For example, Bjorns (spelling) on you tube, his 2013 MSP85 battery died within 2 years or so. And the replacement battery has done 250k km with only 12% degregation. This would appear to me that any replaced battery is better than the original. I’d rather see a HV battery replacement than not if I’m honest.

My P85+ was replaced last month. So the opposite to Bjorns. Mines a 2014 car and it failed at 106k km.

garo wrote: »

As a 142 you are covered for another year and a half. After that we don't know how much it would cost to replace the battery. A few tens of thousands?

When mine was being replaced the lads in the SC mentioned a figure of approx €14k

Kramer

Gumbo wrote: »

Most of the early Model S have had their batteries replaced and those that have not, there’s a good chance they won’t need it.

My P85+ was replaced last month.

There aren't many Model S owners on here but at least 2, you & unkel, have had very recent battery failures. That's probably 50% of Model S owners .

It's just something any prospective early Model S purchaser, should take into account.

russelldlee

LOL - OK. I went from heading up to Stillorgan tomorrow to scrapping the whole idea in a few minutes.

Think the battery issue definitely scaring me off.

Tesla Model 3 is too small. I have 4 kids in a multimac and want a big boot. Might just wait for the Model Y.

Gumbo

Kramer wrote: »

There aren't many Model S owners on here but at least 2, you & unkel, have had very recent battery failures. That's probably 50% of Model S owners .

It's just something any prospective early Model S purchaser, should take into account.

Of course. It must be considered. In the same way if your buying a bmw 520d, you make sure the chain was done or you factor that into the purchase price.

It’s a big peace of mind knowing the batteries are covered by an 8 year warranty with unlimited mileage.

unkel

russelldlee wrote: »

LOL - OK. I went from heading up to Stillorgan tomorrow to scrapping the whole idea in a few minutes.

Think the battery issue definitely scaring me off.

No need for the knee-jerk reaction

If you buy a 2016 Model S, it will still have 3 full years of Tesla battery warranty left. And from anecdotal evidence, these batteries don't seem to fail anyway, it's the early cars that have problems. The Model S wasn't sold in the UK until 2014 and these are the cars that at some stage need new batteries. Mine was replaced in December.

russelldlee wrote: »

Tesla Model 3 is too small. I have 4 kids in a multimac and want a big boot. Might just wait for the Model Y.

I wouldn't go Model Y with 4 kids, the 7-seat option is expensive and you won't have any boot left.

Gumbo

russelldlee wrote: »

LOL - OK. I went from heading up to Stillorgan tomorrow to scrapping the whole idea in a few minutes.

Think the battery issue definitely scaring me off.

Tesla Model 3 is too small. I have 4 kids in a multimac and want a big boot. Might just wait for the Model Y.

Go look at it and see what you think. It may have had a battery replacement already which will ease some of your concerns.

If you are going up, get a look under the car, behind the drivers wheel and photo the white sticker. That will give the battery date and confirm if replaced or original.

Something like this.