Discovery 1x11 – "The Wolf Inside" [** SPOILERS **]

Spear

Haven't seen it yet, so I'm sitting here in work hoping to avoid spoilers. But I'll start the thread at least.

Tristram

Excellent again. Maintaining a good pace!

FutureGuy

Fantastic episode.

I'm really excited about the fact that the two big (but obvious) mysteries that I was hoping wouldn't be dragged across the entire season are now resolved. The Emperor is Georgiou and Tyler has gone full Voq.

Hoping that the rebels escaped, because it was very interesting to see Voq/Sarek etc.

Fantastic performances from everyone.

An easy 9/10

hal9550

Yes again i have to say i was glued to that! Fantastic - the possibilities are endless now

9/10 for sure

I specifically liked:

Voq meeting Tyler/Voq was awesome, with flashbacks to everything from part 1 of the series -

Sarek Melding with Burnham

The IMPERIAL REVEAL which i kinda guessed a while back

The method for getting the info back to discovery was awesome, and for a second i thought that was it for Ash/Voq

The Andorians are similar albeit slightly different than Enterprise - im happy enough with that

Possibilities moving forward

• Could we see the birth of the Alliance?
• Will we see the USS Defiant
• Will we steal Mirror Voq back to our universe???

But yes in my opinion that was pretty amazing, and i have no gripes with it whatsoever

Almost forgot - STAMETS!?!? Whats going on there!!! hum?

Evade

So far I'm liking this step into the Mirror Universe. I'm glad they didn't stretch out Voq/Tyler. That smirk at the end by Lorca almost confirms he's the mirror Lorca. I'm betting that he's in the middle some plan to try take the throne.

I do have one nit pick. What happened to dressing the human members of Disco's crew as Imperials? Everyone in the transporter room at the end had standard Starfleet uniforms.

corkie

So now we know why we needed the Prologue episodes, Introduce characters development for Mirror Versions.

I doubt showing the content in flashback would have worked, because it would break the flow of other episodes to do it that way.

Johnny Storm

Excellent episode!

Spear

This one felt a bit flat to me, and almost workmanlike. There were no real wow moments I thought.

It wasn't without it's merits though. It kept a decent enough steady tone of tension given the atmosphere aboard an ISS vessel. There's nice story points in terms of Burnham being confronted by two ghosts from the past, Voq and then the emperor. Am I also relieved they didn't drag out the Voq reveal and let it all spill out.

I did like the directing though. There was good use of more distant shots to show empty rooms and emphasis isolation.

It just felt a bit flat overall, but it probably didn't help that I saw the preview last week and maybe that gave too much away.

coffee_cake

Seriously now no security cameras in the med bay at all???
it was awesome otherwise but i'm pretty sure an assassination attempt and a chat with lorca and all that would take longer than an hour

spookwoman

bluewolf wrote: »

Seriously now no security cameras in the med bay at all???
it was awesome otherwise but i'm pretty sure an assassination attempt and a chat with lorca and all that would take longer than an hour

Privacy issues maybe I'm sure people would love a camera on them while they are getting examined.
I do agree with the amount of time It crossed my mind as well but its TV .

coffee_cake

spookwoman wrote: »

Privacy issues maybe I'm sure people would love a camera on them while they are getting examined.
I do agree with the amount of time It crossed my mind as well but its TV .

they could have them in the corridors though and see tyler leaving.
anyway i know it turned into a 'lets fix stamets so' plot point and it's not something i'll go mad about, just had to wonder about it there.

i do agree 9/10 though

Inviere

FutureGuy wrote: »

Fantastic episode.

I'm really excited about the fact that the two big (but obvious) mysteries that I was hoping wouldn't be dragged across the entire season are now resolved. The Emperor is Georgiou and Tyler has gone full Voq.

Hoping that the rebels escaped, because it was very interesting to see Voq/Sarek etc.

Fantastic performances from everyone.

An easy 9/10

Agreed. They've completely nailed it with Discovery imo. I know I'm in a minority, but I fookin' love how the Klingon language sounds in this show!

Slydice

+1 Excellent Episode!

Almost thought some of Rebel Voqs crew were Nausicaans

The_Valeyard

excellent episode


I could watch a whole series based on the Terran Empire

ezra_

I liked it, even though it was a bit of a filler - now we can get to the real story of season 1 part 2.

Lorca is totally mirror Lorca though, sent to spy out the (original) universe for the empire.

_Kaiser_

The_Valeyard wrote: »

excellent episode


I could watch a whole series based on the Terran Empire

Agreed with this, in the same way that the 2-parter Enterprise prelude to this was arguably the best 2 episodes of the show.

I'd much rather watch the adventures conquests of the ISS Discovery to be honest. The whole thing works better for me in terms of the general tone of this series, and the characters are far more compelling (even Burnham) in this Universe - just as they were IMO in ENT.

Very good episode overall. No surprises in the reveal of the Emperor but handled well. Mirror Saru was another highlight. Tyler's "execution" was well done too but I'm kinda surprised he didn't spill his guts on the transporter pad to implicate Burnham.

I'll be sad when they return to our Universe TBH

FutureGuy

Inviere wrote: »

Agreed. They've completely nailed it with Discovery imo. I know I'm in a minority, but I fookin' love how the Klingon language sounds in this show!

Me too. Shazad Latif’s delivery is incredible

CramCycle

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Very good episode overall. No surprises in the reveal of the Emperor but handled well. Mirror Saru was another highlight. Tyler's "execution" was well done too but I'm kinda surprised he didn't spill his guts on the transporter pad to implicate Burnham.

I imagine this can be explained easily. We see when Discovery beam him in, he is annoyed he did not get to die.

To spill his guts on the transporter pad, might have looked like he was looking for away out. There would be no honour in that, no matter how he played it in his mind.

The other is, even if it crossed his mind, bar trying to explain that they should read her quantum signature and the mirror universe bit, it would just look like the cries of desperation of a man sentenced to death. She could have easily dismissed this and beamed him out, and still come out looking like the captain.

pixelburp

Well you certainly can't accuse Discovery of spinning its wheels; the Voq mystery and murder of the doc lasted, what, 2, 3 episodes at the most? (If we count from when L'rell was captured and the dominoes started to fall) other shows would have nurtured that sleep agent story for a whole season.

Obviously the talk of the episode was all about the Mirror stuff, but a shout out to Tilly and Saru once more showing clear Trekiness amongst the darker shades; the finest technobabble surrounded the whole Stamets subplot and both Tilly and Saru had some enjoyable beats. And honestly at this stage, Captain Saru has a nice ring to it: there's just as much mileage to be gained from a prey species as captain, as Lorca and his own ....

Sparko

Entertaining episode despite the reveals being predicted elsewhere I still found myself enjoying it.

Nice to see an Andorian, no drastic changes makeup wise.

Mirror Sarek having a goatee made me laugh!

Goodshape

That was pretty good.

Skedaddle

It was very watchable. What's killing it for me is that Netflix looks fantastic on Eir's VDSL2 fibre, but for some reason seem poorer quality and slightly 'strobing' as if the frame rate is lower when I have watched on Virgin Media 240 Mbit/s.

Roar

FutureGuy wrote: »

Me too. Shazad Latif’s delivery is incredible

I wonder what the Klingon for "Hello Stephen? This is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me?" is

My wife says that at least twice an episode when we're watching it. Makes me laugh each time.

YES I CAN HEAR YOU CLEM FANDANGO.

CramCycle

Roar wrote: »

I wonder what the Klingon for "Hello Stephen? This is Clem Fandango. Can you hear me?" is

My wife says that at least twice an episode when we're watching it. Makes me laugh each time.

YES I CAN HEAR YOU CLEM FANDANGO.

nuqneH, stephen? clem Fandango ghotvam'e'. laH HI'Ij SoH?

seamus

Sparko wrote: »

Entertaining episode despite the reveals being predicted elsewhere I still found myself enjoying it.

Nice to see an Andorian, no drastic changes makeup wise.

Mirror Sarek having a goatee made me laugh!

+1
I might stop overanalysing it and spoiling it for myself by guessing the big reveals a week in advance.

There's good genuine tension in this, it works well.

I expect mirror Saru will become Burnham's ally on the Shenzhou.

Think it's also pretty much confirmed that Lorca is mirror Lorca. When the emperor appeared he acted like someone who knew what he was looking at, not like someone surprised to see Georgiou.

We should also not forget that the emperor knows all about the mirror universe; that's how she has the Defiant. So that has the potential for big reveals or twists in the next episode.

I wonder what the story is with the Stamets. It looks like they've been "uploaded" to the mycelial network, and Mirror Stamets got there first - which would make sense since there'd be no ethical restrictions on them jumping. And clearly he has some kind of plan in mind.

Spear

seamus wrote: »

I wonder what the story is with the Stamets. It looks like they've been "uploaded" to the mycelial network, and Mirror Stamets got there first - which would make sense since there'd be no ethical restrictions on them jumping. And clearly he has some kind of plan in mind.

Didn't Stamets start out as more of an asshole? Didn't he only appear to be more friendly after accessing the mycelial network? Is it possible the mirror Stamets is actually the good one?

Spear wrote: »

Didn't Stamets start out as more of an asshole? Didn't he only appear to be more friendly after accessing the mycelial network? Is it possible the mirror Stamets is actually the good one?

Who knows?? And that's brilliant.

The mycelium network is the real story of the series so far. Mega trippy sci fi

Spear

Hmm, something occurred to me about the mirror Lorca possibility.

It was established earlier on that Lorca has light sensitive vision, ostensibly due to being exposed to the explosion of the Buran.

But in this episode Burnham makes a point of monologueing that the stars seemed dimmer in the mirror universe. Was this a pointer to something given the now established way the things (Voq, Georgiou etc) keep coming back around later.

Johnny Storm

My random thoughts:
Great ep. I hope they can maintain the standard of eps 10 and 11 in future.
I believed that Burnham had gone full Tony Soprano and had actually executed Klingon-Tyler. It seemed to me like a slight cop-out when it turned out he wasn't dead.
Also I thought Burnham would have had a more emotional reaction to Sarek, although I suppose that "logically" it wasn't the right place for it.

seamus

Johnny Storm wrote: »

I believed that Burnham had gone full Tony Soprano and had actually executed Klingon-Tyler. It seemed to me like a slight cop-out when it turned out he wasn't dead.

I was actually a little disappointed initially. I thought they'd gone full Game of Thrones on it and spent an insane amount of time developing a character, only to snuff him out in seconds. So I was conflicted - it was a bit of a cop-out saving him, but I was also glad that arc was going to be allowed to develop. I expect to see Voq and L'Rel escape from the brig when Discovery gets attacked by the Defiant.

pixelburp

I suspect this isn't the last we've seen of 'Tyler' though; it'd be a little cheap if having established this fairly interesting, charismatic character, it's then completely consumed by the reemergence of Vo'q never to be seen again. Given Vo'q's constant berating of humans as weak, it'd be an obvious counterpoint to that if he found the Tyler personality to be still around and fighting for dominance. After-all: how much of this body and mind is Tyler, and how much is Vo'q?

On that point, I was surprised just how gruesome those fleeting shots of the Tyler-Voq operation were. I'm not squeamish by all accounts, and have no great aversion to R-rated violence in Trek generally, but it seemed to border a little on the torture-porn territory.

Speculation though: what do we think of alt-Stamets? I still stand by the belief that not all Mirror people are so ruthless, and I wonder if perhaps the two versions will work together to get the Discovery home, having had their minds altered by this sudden perception of the larger universe...